Is Pakistan or Turkey Next? After Qatar..

[El Sidd]

Excellent first post.



In what country do you know that official foriegn policy is driven by the benefit of the common man?

Atlantis

 

[damm1t]

Qatar seeks Pakistan Army's cooperation in cyber security, defence production: ISPR
Dawn Published Mar 08, 2017 12:35am

Qatar's premier also hailed the army's contributions towards establishing regional peace and lauded it for its professionalism. He showed interest for joint training and field exercises, expressing desire to learn from Pakistan Army's expertise in the security domain.

He said that people of Qatar greatly value the people of Pakistan and trust their time-tested commitment for working in Qatar and sought assistance for the upcoming Football World Cup in Qatar, including provision of manpower.

Thanks god Pakistan didn't fall in this Trap by Qatar


I tend to disagree with you because Turkey have too many expats and trade interest in GCC and huge investment by turkish investors it would be difficult for turkey to ignore such demand in future.

Of course, globalism has such side effects but still, we would be still alive at the end of the day.

 

[wiseone2]

As GCC leaders like saudi arabia , UAE moving towards young monarchs its look like old policy of wait and see , patience and compromise for better time is quickly changing from good to worst.recently Qatar event showed how withing few hours friends become enemy over foreign policy irrespective of considering national interest of brotherly muslim arab country.

If this approach is going to continue to move forward i suspect 2 more countries Pakistan or Turkey most like to face another wrath of GCC arab countries after Qatar as both countries are following balanced or some what neutral policy in GCC conflicts.

If diplomatic ,financial or social blockade come into effect how pakistan or turkey will survive.If pakistan choose Iran like Qatar please remember that it has very bad reputation in the world sponsoring militias, funding and training proxies in the region.How can pakistan go close to a nation which is now becoming enemy of USA specially trump has no love for them and any time USA can throw nuclear deal into dustbin and put severe sanctions on iran.

Pakistan only hope is china but can china afford to protect pakistan against GCC as its own financial interest are associated in middle east creating gwadar port - CPEC will also connect ME with China.

Threat is looming and dark clouds are hoovering on pakistan's head .A country which highly dependent on foreign aid and remittances from 3M expats in GCC can not afford ostrich approach by digging its neck and ME sand and wait for the final moment clocking is ticking and major foreign policy revamp is need of the hour.

Thread is open for open minded and wise readers This is my first post so please your feedback is highly appreciated my main focus will be ME politics in future.

I have asked the question before what is the point of CPEC if India, Iran and UAE did not participate. Add the entire GCC now. CPEC looks like a white elephant

Turkey and pakistan are both major regional powers. If saudia ( GCC) tries to pull a similar move like qatar on pakistan or turkey. that will push both countries towards iran. Leaving the sauds a bit lonely. To be honest saudi will look a bit awkward sitting with USA and israel. Considering she considers herself leaders of islam . Egypt in my opinion is just following saudi like a gold digger

just my honest opinion

The only problem Iranians do not want Turkey or Pakistan. Iran has proxies in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.
Pakistan is of no use there. There is nothing Turkey can do. If the Turks back the Sunnis Iran can arm the Kurds. Plus Assad has the Russian air force covering his back.

 

[jacklord]

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[BetterPakistan]

No one can go against Pakistan or Turkey militarily. Secondly these two are both important and powerful countries in the Muslim world.

 

[The SC]

As GCC leaders like saudi arabia , UAE moving towards young monarchs its look like old policy of wait and see , patience and compromise for better time is quickly changing from good to worst.recently Qatar event showed how withing few hours friends become enemy over foreign policy irrespective of considering national interest of brotherly muslim arab country.

If this approach is going to continue to move forward i suspect 2 more countries Pakistan or Turkey most like to face another wrath of GCC arab countries after Qatar as both countries are following balanced or some what neutral policy in GCC conflicts.

If diplomatic ,financial or social blockade come into effect how pakistan or turkey will survive.If pakistan choose Iran like Qatar please remember that it has very bad reputation in the world sponsoring militias, funding and training proxies in the region.How can pakistan go close to a nation which is now becoming enemy of USA specially trump has no love for them and any time USA can throw nuclear deal into dustbin and put severe sanctions on iran.

Pakistan only hope is china but can china afford to protect pakistan against GCC as its own financial interest are associated in middle east creating gwadar port - CPEC will also connect ME with China.

Threat is looming and dark clouds are hoovering on pakistan's head .A country which highly dependent on foreign aid and remittances from 3M expats in GCC can not afford ostrich approach by digging its neck and ME sand and wait for the final moment clocking is ticking and major foreign policy revamp is need of the hour.

Thread is open for open minded and wise readers This is my first post so please your feedback is highly appreciated my main focus will be ME politics in future.

Why are you linking Pakistan to Turkey?
Turkey is contradicting itself by telling the GCC that it wants the crisis settled between them and than sending troops to Qatar, while Pakistan is taking an apparent neutral position with no contradictions.. that makes a big difference between the two.. Turkey felt threatened after Qatar, because of their support of MB.. and Pakistan had no links there..!!!?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Tebrikler arakadshim on your first article!!!! It's a high time you have written such a piece. Here're some of my inputs:

• When Allah-u Azimushshan wants to punish a community/country HE first take out their Akl (intelligence/mental faculties/rational thought process/reasoning etc.). KSA/GCC leadership is going through such a phase!!!!
• KSA/GCC leaderships are completing their parts of the deal to put the entire region into unimaginable Fitne and Fesat.
• With only 70 cents in her treasury Turkey went to secure the Northern Cyprus from the annihilation by the Greeks. It sounds crazy - even the maddest of the mad maxes won't do that!!!! They could fly only a couple of sorties with heavily embargoed Phantoms to destroy Greek artillery batteries before an amphibious assault!!! But, they did it, and the rest is history!!!! Reis Erdo'an has already put Turkey's weight around Qatar relying on this Ilahi Sunna - many a time an insignificant and small community is made victorious over their much larger tyrannical foes.
• Don't know about Pak, but Turkey knows that the serial will come to her!!! And, folks aren't keeping it secret!!! And, Turkey is preparing for that eventuality. Therefore, the defense of Qatar is in fact the defense of Turkey!!!!
• The conditions for the capitulation of Qatar bear impeccable similarities to those Ebu Jehl and Ebu Lehap used to regularly put to Resulullah (PBUH) and the early Muslims from Medine!!!! Haven't these folks changed even a bit in the last 14 centuries??????
• The common folks in KSA/GCC must have now no ambiguity about the intention and functions of their leadership. Hopefully, they'll act accordingly!!! This is the biggest PLUS from this current fiasco!!!!
• As for the Ehl-i Iman, we're under constant C4I of the All-Powerful, All-Seeing, All-Hearing ONLY ONE LORD, without WHOSE permission, planning, design, control and command not a single electron changes it's 100% definite energy level and position!!!! Hence, we are relying on HIM and HIS PLANS!!!!

With Selam and Dua....

Why are you linking Pakistan to Turkey?
Turkey is contradicting itself by telling the GCC that it wants the crisis settled between them and than sending troops to Qatar, while Pakistan is taking an apparent neutral position with no contradictions.. that makes a big difference between the two.. Turkey felt threatened after Qatar, because of their support of MB.. and Pakistan had no links there..!!!?

As for Pak and Turkey - it's two countries one nation!!!! Haven't we already seen of the serious faces of the Turkish and Pak chiefs only a couple of days back!!!! For they're anticipating some dark moments approaching the region!!! As for the Muslim Brotherhood, one may not agree with them or their polices, but relegating them to terrorists????? Can any Muslim really do that to Hasan El-Banna or Sait Kutup????? And, that too on behalf of "sissies" who blew up few tunnels that were bringing some life support to Gaza?????

 

[The SC]

Tebrikler arakadshim on your first article!!!! It's a high time you have written such a piece. Here're some of my inputs:

• When Allah-u Azimushshan wants to punish a community/country HE first take out their Akl (intelligence/mental faculties/rational thought process/reasoning etc.). KSA/GCC leadership is going through such a phase!!!!
• KSA/GCC leaderships are completing their parts of the deal to put the entire region into unimaginable Fitne and Fesat.
• With only 70 cents in her treasury Turkey went to secure the Northern Cyprus from the annihilation by the Greeks. It sounds crazy - even the maddest of the mad maxes won't do that!!!! They could fly only a couple of sorties with heavily embargoed Phantoms to destroy Greek artillery batteries before an amphibious assault!!! But, they did it, and the rest is history!!!! Reis Erdo'an has already put Turkey's weight around Qatar relying on this Ilahi Sunna - many a time an insignificant and small community is made victorious over their much larger tyrannical foes.
• Don't know about Pak, but Turkey knows that the serial will come to her!!! And, folks aren't keeping it secret!!! And, Turkey is preparing for that eventuality. Therefore, the defense of Qatar is in fact the defense of Turkey!!!!
• The conditions for the capitulation of Qatar bear impeccable similarities to those Ebu Jehl and Ebu Lehap used to regularly put to Resulullah (PBUH) and the early Muslims from Medine!!!! Haven't these folks changed even a bit in the last 14 centuries??????
• The common folks in KSA/GCC must have now no ambiguity about the intention and functions of their leadership. Hopefully, they'll act accordingly!!! This is the biggest PLUS from this current fiasco!!!!
• As for the Ehl-i Iman, we're under constant C4I of the All-Powerful, All-Seeing, All-Hearing ONLY ONE LORD, without WHOSE permission, planning, design, control and command not a single electron changes it's 100% definite energy level and position!!!! Hence, we are relying on HIM and HIS PLANS!!!!

With Selam and Dua....


As for Pak and Turkey - it's two countries one nation!!!! Haven't we already seen of the serious faces of the Turkish and Pak chiefs only a couple of days back!!!! For they're anticipating some dark moments approaching the region!!! As for the Muslim Brotherhood, one may not agree with them or their polices, but relegating them to terrorists????? Can any Muslim really do that to Hasan El-Banna or Sait Kutup????? And, that too on behalf of "sissies" who blew up few tunnels that were bringing some life support to Gaza?????

They had problems in Egypt with Nasser and Sadat and after the revolution when they took power and lost it in a moment.. there are many branches of MB and not all of them take arms, they are spread all over the world and personally I have no problem with the MB, but on state levels.. some fear their popular power and some their taking of arms..Remember that Turkey supported Morsi in Egypt and even after his demise.. knowing very well that his close relationships with Iran at that moment could jeopardise the Nation of Egypt and its relationships with its strategic allies like the US and the GCC.. a move that could have brought sanctions on Egypt that did not need or could afford them like Iran with its abundant Oil wealth.. it is all about interests of whole nations, that is why Turkey should not act in a haste all the time, but take the time to find equilibrium in its decisions..

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

They had problems in Egypt with Nasser and Sadat and after the revolution when they took power and lost it in a moment.. there are many branches of MB and not all of them take arms, they are spread all over the world and personally I have no problem with the MB, but on state levels.. some fear their popular power and some their taking of arms..Remember that Turkey supported Morsi in Egypt and even after his demise.. knowing very well that his close relationships with Iran at that moment could jeopardise the Nation of Egypt and its relationships with its strategic allies like the US and the GCC.. a move that could have brought sanctions on Egypt that did not need or could afford them like Iran with its abundant Oil wealth.. it is all about interests of whole nations, that is why Turkey should not act in a haste all the time, but take the time to find equilibrium in its decisions..

Has Egypt significantly progressed since Morsi? The last time I checked they're still on lifeline from IMF!!!

 

[The SC]

Has Egypt significantly progressed since Morsi? The last time I checked they're still on lifeline from IMF!!!

The economy has stabilised and they have more foreign currency now.. it is progressing slowly.. but you should know that they have found a lot of Gas and even Oil in many parts of Egypt and on the shores.. by 2019 Egypt will be self-sufficient in energy from Gas alone and will start exporting by 2020-2022.. you can google Egypt's offshore Gas fields to get a better idea..

 

[wiseone2]

Tebrikler arakadshim on your first article!!!! It's a high time you have written such a piece. Here're some of my inputs:

• When Allah-u Azimushshan wants to punish a community/country HE first take out their Akl (intelligence/mental faculties/rational thought process/reasoning etc.). KSA/GCC leadership is going through such a phase!!!!
• KSA/GCC leaderships are completing their parts of the deal to put the entire region into unimaginable Fitne and Fesat.
• With only 70 cents in her treasury Turkey went to secure the Northern Cyprus from the annihilation by the Greeks. It sounds crazy - even the maddest of the mad maxes won't do that!!!! They could fly only a couple of sorties with heavily embargoed Phantoms to destroy Greek artillery batteries before an amphibious assault!!! But, they did it, and the rest is history!!!! Reis Erdo'an has already put Turkey's weight around Qatar relying on this Ilahi Sunna - many a time an insignificant and small community is made victorious over their much larger tyrannical foes.
• Don't know about Pak, but Turkey knows that the serial will come to her!!! And, folks aren't keeping it secret!!! And, Turkey is preparing for that eventuality. Therefore, the defense of Qatar is in fact the defense of Turkey!!!!
• The conditions for the capitulation of Qatar bear impeccable similarities to those Ebu Jehl and Ebu Lehap used to regularly put to Resulullah (PBUH) and the early Muslims from Medine!!!! Haven't these folks changed even a bit in the last 14 centuries??????
• The common folks in KSA/GCC must have now no ambiguity about the intention and functions of their leadership. Hopefully, they'll act accordingly!!! This is the biggest PLUS from this current fiasco!!!!
• As for the Ehl-i Iman, we're under constant C4I of the All-Powerful, All-Seeing, All-Hearing ONLY ONE LORD, without WHOSE permission, planning, design, control and command not a single electron changes it's 100% definite energy level and position!!!! Hence, we are relying on HIM and HIS PLANS!!!!

With Selam and Dua....


As for Pak and Turkey - it's two countries one nation!!!! Haven't we already seen of the serious faces of the Turkish and Pak chiefs only a couple of days back!!!! For they're anticipating some dark moments approaching the region!!! As for the Muslim Brotherhood, one may not agree with them or their polices, but relegating them to terrorists????? Can any Muslim really do that to Hasan El-Banna or Sait Kutup????? And, that too on behalf of "sissies" who blew up few tunnels that were bringing some life support to Gaza?????

How can Turkey defend Qatar ? It is insane.

 

[Jobless Jack]

I have asked the question before what is the point of CPEC if India, Iran and UAE did not participate. Add the entire GCC now. CPEC looks like a white elephant



The only problem Iranians do not want Turkey or Pakistan. Iran has proxies in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.
Pakistan is of no use there. There is nothing Turkey can do. If the Turks back the Sunnis Iran can arm the Kurds. Plus Assad has the Russian air force covering his back.

oh if it means pulling one over the saudis they will gladly have pakistan and turkey. having your neighbours on your side in any conflict is of greatest interest

 

[StraightShooter]

As GCC leaders like saudi arabia , UAE moving towards young monarchs its look like old policy of wait and see , patience and compromise for better time is quickly changing from good to worst.recently Qatar event showed how withing few hours friends become enemy over foreign policy irrespective of considering national interest of brotherly muslim arab country.

If this approach is going to continue to move forward i suspect 2 more countries Pakistan or Turkey most like to face another wrath of GCC arab countries after Qatar as both countries are following balanced or some what neutral policy in GCC conflicts.

If diplomatic ,financial or social blockade come into effect how pakistan or turkey will survive.If pakistan choose Iran like Qatar please remember that it has very bad reputation in the world sponsoring militias, funding and training proxies in the region.How can pakistan go close to a nation which is now becoming enemy of USA specially trump has no love for them and any time USA can throw nuclear deal into dustbin and put severe sanctions on iran.

Pakistan only hope is china but can china afford to protect pakistan against GCC as its own financial interest are associated in middle east creating gwadar port - CPEC will also connect ME with China.

Threat is looming and dark clouds are hoovering on pakistan's head .A country which highly dependent on foreign aid and remittances from 3M expats in GCC can not afford ostrich approach by digging its neck and ME sand and wait for the final moment clocking is ticking and major foreign policy revamp is need of the hour.

Thread is open for open minded and wise readers This is my first post so please your feedback is highly appreciated my main focus will be ME politics in future.

Pakistan is a Sunni majority country. There is no way it would go with Iran

Saudis funded Pakistan's military programs. There is no way Pakistan would go against Saudis

Islamic Military Alliance created by Saudis is being led by decorated Pakistani General. There is high possibility that Pakistan would nuke Iran in case of Saudi-Iran War.

 

[Ocean]

As GCC leaders like saudi arabia , UAE moving towards young monarchs its look like old policy of wait and see , patience and compromise for better time is quickly changing from good to worst.recently Qatar event showed how withing few hours friends become enemy over foreign policy irrespective of considering national interest of brotherly muslim arab country.

If this approach is going to continue to move forward i suspect 2 more countries Pakistan or Turkey most like to face another wrath of GCC arab countries after Qatar as both countries are following balanced or some what neutral policy in GCC conflicts.

If diplomatic ,financial or social blockade come into effect how pakistan or turkey will survive.If pakistan choose Iran like Qatar please remember that it has very bad reputation in the world sponsoring militias, funding and training proxies in the region.How can pakistan go close to a nation which is now becoming enemy of USA specially trump has no love for them and any time USA can throw nuclear deal into dustbin and put severe sanctions on iran.

Pakistan only hope is china but can china afford to protect pakistan against GCC as its own financial interest are associated in middle east creating gwadar port - CPEC will also connect ME with China.

Threat is looming and dark clouds are hoovering on pakistan's head .A country which highly dependent on foreign aid and remittances from 3M expats in GCC can not afford ostrich approach by digging its neck and ME sand and wait for the final moment clocking is ticking and major foreign policy revamp is need of the hour.

Thread is open for open minded and wise readers This is my first post so please your feedback is highly appreciated my main focus will be ME politics in future.

The saudi royals will have to send back our ssg guys who are deployed or rather wasted on being deployed to ksa , for royal familys protection.

From what i have heard is these gcc states mainly uae are getting rid of pakistani workforce and bringing indians in their place. Is liey bheek manganay ki adat and remittances pay depend karna chor dena chaheeay.

 

[wiseone2]

oh if it means pulling one over the saudis they will gladly have pakistan and turkey. having your neighbours on your side in any conflict is of greatest interest

For any country it would be true. Except the rulers in Iran are different