Is Pakistan-India enmity real or is it a deception to fight bigger countries like US, China & Russia

[PakFactor]

He is Mohajir.

- PRTP GWD

Yeah that Mohajir card ain’t gonna work anymore, lol. After seeing the Hindu/Muslim shit storm in India.

 

[padamchen]

India has no one to blame but itself for the animosity between our two nations. One just had to look at the media during Feb 26th 2019 to see how poisonous Hindu mindset is dead set against Pakistan. Your Bollywood making anti Pakistani films (which are completely useless and devoid of reality) doesn’t help either. Even the slip of tongue from your celebrities shows what’s hidden within.

But I’m happy because now those Pakistani liberals can finally wake up and smell the fire and harden their hearts against India. I would like to see nothing more than a complete wipeout of your country and all Hindus if it comes down to it.



Very well put bro.

Bollocks.

This is a brothers' spat.

Neither of you have the sustained kaleja to go full Mongol on each other.

Tumse Nahin Hoga.

That's why Pakistani and Indian enthusiastic Muslim boys with stars in their eyes land up in the middle east to fight

And are put on potato peeling duty.

Face it.

You're wrong though, we do have a sizeable Hindu community, especially in Sindh. However our hatred isn't directed at them for being Hindus, it is directed at Indians for all they've done for the past 70 or so years. If you are unable to understand that and persist to think Pakistanis fight you solely because you're hindu, then you fail to understand us completely.

The Pakistani people did not come to harbour actual full blown hatred for you until recent times. The rivalry and strong dislike existed sure, but we didn't associate pure unadultered hatred with your kind until now. And can you really blame us? Even if you put the politics aside, the attitude of the Indian population wasn't really nice at best, Indian media continuously spews hatred and propaganda against us, making you stubborn to believe anything else. When i search about Pakistan on youtube, i do not want to see hoards of sensationalist Hindi News outlets spreading self feel-good propaganda all the time. Because of Hindi media, Indians are deluded into putting themselves on a false superior pedestal against us. This and so much more. This'll only grow under Modi.

If we've started to bite back hard, you guys deserve it at this point.

Good post.

But your "sizeable Hindus" is how many Muslims we have in some large Indian cities.

I remember reading Samuel P. Huntington, whereas he said, after the Cold War the next conflict will be fought along religious fault lines. Even before him, a lot of Political Scientists saw the ground work being laid starting from Israel, a devils spawn implanted and born to create fasad within the region which morphed conflicts that were political in nature, tribal and house/house issues into a religious one. We will see Christians/Jews vs Muslims; the Hindus being cannon fodder.

To balance this out the Muslim World will need to court the Chinese/Russians against EU/US. Some might say why Russia? If past history has shown they’ve never really been accepted by the west and always tossed aside and used when the west needed saving especially during WWI & WWII.

As a politician and strategist, I, would have worked tirelessly to court Russia and integrate them deeply within the Muslim world economically, politically and military.

Honestly, we have nothing in common with the west, EU/US, from the very beginning. It’s been a stupid policy decision starting from Liaquat Ali to all our generals from top to bottom to try and align ourselves with them after repeated knife stabs in the back. Our short sightedness by allying with US against USSR caused the world to witness a Unipolar world; which now needs to be brought back into balance and needs to be done ASAP.

In case you missed it, the Russians are white Slavic orthodox Christians.

And the Chinese like and tolerate Muslims and Islam even less than the west and India.

Not sure if a Hindu Muslim war will materialise.

But in the last couple of years BJP has managed to convert India viewed as a secular nation to a Hindu nation. Not rabid Hindu nation but something on the lines of Christian secular Australia.

We are now an increasingly rabid Hindu nation.

Accept it quickly.

never going to happen , we will continue to live with love with some intermittent danga fasad .

you look to be different from normal pakistani .

I don't agree.

We are heading towards a quick sharp Intifada triggered pogrom in India.

Pakistan will try and fish in troubled waters under the guise of helping Muslim brothers.

The Hindu think tank has been gaming these scenarios since they came to power.

And great powers will be involved.

 

[GHALIB]

I don't agree.

We are heading towards a quick sharp Intifada triggered pogrom in India.

Pakistan will try and fish in troubled waters under the guise of helping Muslim brothers.

The Hindu think tank has been gaming these scenarios since they came to power.

And great powers will be involved.

not in any hindus wildest dreams , riots are different thing , but not possible as policy matter .

 

[padamchen]

not in any hindus wildest dreams , riots are different thing , but not possible as policy matter .

Why not?

What would you rather have?

Us entering their land? Or their forces entering ours?

It's pretty clear and has been for some time now that the final fight will be across 1947.maplines.

Was 1971 not a civil war that spilled over 1947 maplines?

So why cannot and will not it happen again?

 

[GHALIB]

Why not?

What would you rather have?

Us entering their land? Or their forces entering ours?

It's pretty clear and has been for some time now that the final fight will be across 1947.maplines.

Was 1971 not a civil war that spilled over 1947 maplines?

So why cannot and will not it happen again?

hindus by nature are peaceful group , even in 1947 riots mostly happened in states where partition was taking place , for example bangal and punjab .

 

[padamchen]

hindus by nature are peaceful group , even in 1947 riots mostly happened in states where partition was taking place , for example bangal and punjab .

Yes Hindus are peaceful.

But they are fighting their own converts.

Not middle eastern Muslims.

 

[xyxmt]

you look to be different from normal pakistani .

you don't know normal Pakistanis as much as I do

 

[Thamizh Puli]

there is no such mutual enmity. Pakistan military and a section of its people consider India enemy and when they try to do something against India in that spirit, India reacts.

 

[Curious22]

Is Pakistan-India enmity real or is it a deception in order to fight powerful countries like US, China & Russia?

If it's real why has the Kashmir dispute been unresolved for 73 years? If the belligerence was real, there would have been a fight to the finish long ago and one side would have been vanquished and shattered completely.

Thousands of people have died in wars on either side. So many deaths can't be faked. But the deaths would have happened anyways because the energy to kill in wars would have found other forms like Naxalism in India and TTP in Pakistan. The internal unrest was briefly channeled towards external parties during wars.

Both India and Pakistan face serious threats from big and powerful countries like US, China and Russia. There are strong reasons for the two countries to join forces and cooperate to protect themselves from the three superpowers.

So the mystery remains. Is Indo-Pak enmity real or is it a facade classified by the intelligence agencies of the two countries?

- PRTP GWD

I think the enmity is real but of course there are always foreign player involved with India/Pakistan's issue of conflict like elsewhere in this planet. On your point about Kashmir I think eliminating a race from map is a very time consuming and harder in modern world. Just look at mighty Zionist country Israel who have everything they need to eliminate Palestine but still almost century later the issue is not yet completely solved, but they are close. They achieved all of their primary targets, Palestine is just hanging there becoming a tool of other players to put pressure on Israel if necessary. But it's just a powerless strip of land filled with refugees who act as guinea-pig of Israel's intelligence and weapon researchers. I think India is on the right path to creating their own West Bank+Xinjiang and if the current course of history continues Pakistan will continue to get weaker and weaker in front of to India's growth. So don't worry and be very patient. On the other hand what is a good news to majority Indian Hindus means more darkening of the perpetual eclipse of Kasmiri Muslim's fate.

PS: I'm sorry if I hurt any Pakistani expressing my opinion. I'm not a Pakistani and my opinion is made/influenced by media coverage (both Pakistani and foreign).

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Is Pakistan-India enmity real or is it a deception in order to fight powerful countries like US, China & Russia?

If it's real why has the Kashmir dispute been unresolved for 73 years? If the belligerence was real, there would have been a fight to the finish long ago and one side would have been vanquished and shattered completely.

Thousands of people have died in wars on either side. So many deaths can't be faked. But the deaths would have happened anyways because the energy to kill in wars would have found other forms like Naxalism in India and TTP in Pakistan. The internal unrest was briefly channeled towards external parties during wars.

Both India and Pakistan face serious threats from big and powerful countries like US, China and Russia. There are strong reasons for the two countries to join forces and cooperate to protect themselves from the three superpowers.

So the mystery remains. Is Indo-Pak enmity real or is it a facade classified by the intelligence agencies of the two countries?

- PRTP GWD

Please respond to this question.

@ChennaiDude

- PRTP GWD

 

[Basel]

Is Pakistan-India enmity real or is it a deception in order to fight powerful countries like US, China & Russia?

If it's real why has the Kashmir dispute been unresolved for 73 years? If the belligerence was real, there would have been a fight to the finish long ago and one side would have been vanquished and shattered completely.

Thousands of people have died in wars on either side. So many deaths can't be faked. But the deaths would have happened anyways because the energy to kill in wars would have found other forms like Naxalism in India and TTP in Pakistan. The internal unrest was briefly channeled towards external parties during wars.

Both India and Pakistan face serious threats from big and powerful countries like US, China and Russia. There are strong reasons for the two countries to join forces and cooperate to protect themselves from the three superpowers.

So the mystery remains. Is Indo-Pak enmity real or is it a facade classified by the intelligence agencies of the two countries?

- PRTP GWD

Jinnah wanted join defense after partition but Nehru refused.

Actually British played their game well during their Raj and during partition, they soe hatred among people of India so they can rule peacefully they used divide and rule to their best, also they use Hindus against Muslims, as later were the rulers so it was in British favor to use Hindus against Muslims, but at the end Hindus got played in British hands as British partitioned India in a way that all free countries keep fighting each other and British play savior role.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Jinnah wanted join defense after partition but Nehru refused.

Actually British played their game well during their Raj and during partition, they soe hatred among people of India so they can rule peacefully they used divide and rule to their best, also they use Hindus against Muslims, as later were the rulers so it was in British favor to use Hindus against Muslims, but at the end Hindus got played in British hands as British partitioned India in a way that all free countries keep fighting each other and British play savior role.

Anglo-Saxons are still doing that. All wars India and Pakistan fought - 1948, 1965, 1971 and 1999 - were orchestrated behind the scenes by US or UK. The first one by the exiting British. The remaining by Americans. In fact the Kashmir dispute was arranged by British by using their agents like Gandhi, Nehru and some if I mentioned you would feel offended. That's why I wonder whether Pakistan-India enmity is real or just a phony to fight the bigger enemies.

- PRTP GWD

 

[namefield_empty]

also they use Hindus against Muslims,

Nope, it was the Muslims who were pitted against the Hindus by the British. Because Muslims were still rooted in orthodoxy whilst the Hindus were taking up the mantle of resistance against the Empire, learning the tricks of the trade from their colonial masters and beating them in their own game. Nevertheless, few muslims who caught up later used this newfound enlightenment to further their nefarious objective instead of expressing solidarity with those involved in the struggle.

 

[Basel]

Anglo-Saxons are still doing that. All wars India and Pakistan fought - 1948, 1965, 1971 and 1999 - were orchestrated behind the scenes by US or UK. The first one by the exiting British. The remaining by Americans. In fact the Kashmir dispute was arranged by British by using their agents like Gandhi, Nehru and some if I mentioned you would feel offended. That's why I wonder whether Pakistan-India enmity is real or just a phony to fight the bigger enemies.

- PRTP GWD

The biggest fault line was laid down by Radcliff commission, who divided the areas biasedly making India feel they had upper hand against Pakistan, but it was part of foundation of longer term conflict.

Nope, it was the Muslims who were pitted against the Hindus by the British. Because Muslims were still rooted in orthodoxy whilst the Hindus were taking up the mantle of resistance against the Empire, learning the tricks of the trade from their colonial masters and beating them in their own game. Nevertheless, few muslims who caught up later used this newfound enlightenment to further their nefarious objective instead of expressing solidarity with those involved in the struggle.

Nope, you are wrong, it was the Hindus as they were under rule of Muslims so natural ally of British but British are no ones friend.

 

[namefield_empty]

Nope, you are wrong, it was the Hindus as they were under rule of Muslims so natural ally of British but British are no ones friend.

Hindus adopted western education and reformed their social and cultural practices that were considered regressive, whilst the muslims remained laidback basking in their past glory. They soon saw the Hindus leapfrogging them in matters of employment and social stature.

Muslims knew that they could never compete with the Hindus in a free and a democratic country, hence collaborated with the British to put into effect their devious designs.