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Is Pakistan Funding Ukrainian Grom Tactical Ballistic Missile?
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According to the local press, military engineers have made significant progress in the development of Ukrainian Grom tactical ballistic missile system. Funding for R&D however, is a mystery. Ukranian Grom tactical ballistic missile program is seemingly funded by a foreign buyer. According to experts, Pakistan may be one of the countries heavily investing in the missile program.
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Two enterprises are involved in creating the high-end weapon – Yuzhnoye Design Bureau and Pavlograd Chemical Plant. The General Director of Pavlograd Chemical Plant explained that close to $40 million were received as private financing using which the engineers were able to create the necessary manufacturing potential and laboratories, and were able to test system components. He stated that a prototype of the Ukranian Grom tactical ballistic missile had already been created.

Reportedly, mass production of the weapon could begin as soon as 2018. The ballistic missile is expected to have a range of 280 km which can be upgraded to 500 km. The designers claim that Grom would be able to defeat the most sophisticated of missile defense systems, including the Russia S-300 and S-400. The real question however, is still begging to be answered. Experts believe that United States has actively cooperated with Ukraine in the field of ballistic missile. However, they still fail to find concrete evidence of the U.S. being involved.

According to the Deputy Director of the Moscow-based Institute of Political and Military Analysis Alexander Khramchikhin, countries like Pakistan, North Korea, and even Belarus top the list when it comes to funding the Ukrainian Grom tactical ballistic missile program. Other prospective investors may be Saudi Arabia, UAE and even Germany.
 
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The Ukrainian press has reported that military engineers have made significant progress in the development of the Grom, a new tactical ballistic missile system, with R&D funding provided by a mysterious foreign buyer. Russian military experts comment on the system's prospects, and ponder who the Ukrainians' secret foreign partners might be.
Last week, the local media in Ukraine's Dnepropetrovsk region launched a tirade against authorities in Kiev for the latter's supposed attempts to sabotage the creation of a new weapon, the Grom short-range ballistic missile (SRBM) system. If created, it would be a Ukrainian analog to the Russian 9K720 Iskander.

According to Dnepropetrovsk's MOST news agency, Kiev officials are 'twisting the arms' of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau and the Pavlograd Chemical Plant, two enterprises involved in creating the weapon.

Engineers speaking to the news agency explained that the Grom is being developed using money from a mysterious foreign client. Moreover, the system, presently in its third year of active development, will be prepared for testing as soon as this fall.

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Rendering of a component of the Grom SRBM system
Speaking to MOST, Pavlograd Chemical Plant general director Leonid Schiemann explained that after receiving private financing of about one billion hryvnia ($40 million), engineers have created the necessary manufacturing potential, restored laboratories, and engaged in the testing of the system's components. As a result, they were able to create a prototype of the weapon.

According to Sheimann, Grom would allow the army to fight at a distance from the front lines in the civil war in eastern Ukraine, "and to preempt the attack of any aggressor."

However, according to Evgeny Ustimenko, the plant's technical director, the policy of a number of institutions of the government in Kiev not only shows an unwillingness to stimulate the production of modern weapons system, but gives the impression of a purposeful campaign to destroy the country's leading defense enterprises.



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Work on the Grom complex was first announced at a defense exhibition in Kiev in 2014. A year later, it was announced that mass production of the weapon could begin as soon as 2018. Expected to have a firing range of 280 km (and the possibility of upgrades to up to 500 km), the system would replace the aging Soviet-era Tochka-U systems currently used by the Ukrainian military. The complex is expected to use the prospective 'Korshun' cruise missile to destroy ground targets.


The system's designers have asserted that the complex would be able to defeat the most advanced missile defense systems, including the Russian S-300 and S-400 systems. Like the Russian Iskander, Grom's missiles are expected to use unpredictable flight trajectories.

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The Russian Iskander SRBM system being prepped for launch during military exercises. File photo.
Moreover, according to Svobodnaya Pressa military observer Anton Mardasov, the system's described 300 km range "is no more than a formal legal constraint associated with the Missile Technology Control Regime," a multilateral export control convention to which Ukraine is a partner. Domestically, the journalist noted, Ukraine would not be subject to that agreement's restrictions.

According to Mardasov, questions remain as to whether the Ukrainian military-industrial complex will actually be able to build the new weapon. "The fate of the Borisfen and Sapsan missile systems, hatched earlier by Kiev, is well known. The former was scrapped due to a lack of funding in 2003. The latter was shuttered in 2013, after over 200 million hryvnia (about $24.5 million dollars at the time) was spent on it…"



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The Grom design, too, actually dates back to 2003, but at that time Kiev lacked the funding to move forward. Following the February 2014 Maidan coup d'état, "Kiev announced with great fanfare that projects such as Neptun (an anti-ship missile system), Olha (a ground-based missile system), and Korshun (a sea and ground-based cruise missile) would soon be realized. In the end, the Korshun, which remains untested, outwardly looks very similar to the long-range Soviet-era air-based Kh-55 cruise missile, while the Olha turned out to be just an ordinary round for a multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) used by the Soviet army."


Still, Mardasov suggested that the situation surrounding the Grom system may yet be different. Firstly, "it is possible that this project will combine all the developments previously reported on by Kiev," resulting in movement "toward the creation of a unified high-precision missile system." Second, the key factor limiting previous developments, including the Sapsan, had been financing. "But if media reports are to be believed, Grom is being financed from abroad. This radically changes the picture."

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The Soviet-era 9K79 Tochka-U SRBM system, currently the mainstay of the Ukrainian army's missile systems.
Accordingly, the journalist suggested that there are two important questions which require answers: "Is it possible that in the near future we will see Ukraine's 19th Missile Brigade, deployed in Khmelnitsky, armed with the Grom system? And who is the project's foreign sponsor?"

For answers to these questions, Svobodnaya Pressa turned to several Russian experts, including Yuri Savelyev, a veteran rocket scientist and the former rector of the Baltic State Technical University.

Savelyev began by recalling that the United States has been actively cooperating with Ukraine in the field of rocketry. For instance, he said, in the 1990s,"Boeing took part in the 'Sea Launch' ocean-based space rocket project, using the [Ukrainian] Zenit-3SL, consisting of the Zenit-2S two-stage launch vehicle developed by Yuzhnoye design bureau, and the DM-SL booster, developed by Russia's Energiya design bureau outside Moscow."

Still, the expert also suggested that he hasn't seen any evidence of US involvement in the Grom project. In fact, he believes that it's the German government that may be looking to use Ukrainian know-how to develop a new SRBM system. "Germany could be the sponsor…The German army is equipped only with the American MLRS M270. With the help of the Yuzhnoye and Yuzhmash design bureaus, the Germans would be able receive designs both for short-range ballistic missile systems, and, in the future, for long-range systems as well," Savelyev noted.



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For his part, Alexander Khramchikhin, deputy director of the Moscow-based Institute of Political & Military Analysis, suggested the mysterious foreign customers could be countries like Pakistan or North Korea, and possibly even Belarus.


"According to some reports, representatives of Ukraine's Luch design bureau participated in the Sino-Belarusian project on the Polonez MLRS, recently successfully tested by Minsk," Khramchikhin said.

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Polonez MRLS at the Belarusian Independence Day parade in Minsk.
However, Andrei Frolov, the editor-in-chief of Arms Export magazine, said he was very doubtful about Grom's prospects, pointing to a long list of failed projects previously announced by Ukrainian authorities, and Ukrainian designers' habit of putting a new label on old systems.

With regard to the possible foreign sponsors, Frolov suggested that these could be Saudi Arabia or the United Arab Emirates.

"As far back as 2003, representatives from the UAE showed interest in Ukraine for the development and production of cruise missiles for the UAE's air force, and in ballistic missiles. The commander of the country's air and air defense forces even visited Kiev."



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Moreover, Frolov recalled that "in March 2015, information appeared in the media that the Saudis are interested in the delivery of the first stages of the R-36M rocket (NATO classification SS-18 Satan)…As for Belarus, I do not think their budget could afford to purchase SRBM systems following the development of the Polonez. Moreover, if Minsk took such a step, it would receive strong pressure from Russia."


Ultimately, the analyst warned that if Ukraine does manage to finish development of the Grom and actually build the system, its primary targets will be the rebellious regions of the Donbass.
 
So much based on speculation.
Unless it's from an official Ukrainian or Pakistani military source, i don't think we should be wasting our time discussing it
 
The most important thing in the article :D :D well you never know Pakistan may be funding it so that we can counter S-400 which India is buying

The ballistic missile is expected to have a range of 280 km which can be upgraded to 500 km. The designers claim that Grom would be able to defeat the most sophisticated of missile defense systems, including the Russia S-300 and S-400.
 
Why would the Arab states need a tactical missile system ?

Their prime enemies are way beyond that range, or the usability of such a system.
 
The most important thing in the article :D :D well you never know Pakistan may be funding it so that we can counter S-400 which India is buying

The ballistic missile is expected to have a range of 280 km which can be upgraded to 500 km. The designers claim that Grom would be able to defeat the most sophisticated of missile defense systems, including the Russia S-300 and S-400.

How would we be able to defeat them with it. I mean after fired, it will still come on the SAM's range.
 
Why would the Arab states need a tactical missile system ?

Their prime enemies are way beyond that range, or the usability of such a system.


this system would be perfect to cover southern Iraq and most if not all of Yemen.

Saudi Arabia knows first hand how powerful a short range ballistic missile can be.
 

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