IS PAKISTAN DEVELOPING A NAVAL LAUNCH SYSTEM?

[Fawad alam]

We need now futuristic Supersonic Anti ship or Land attack missile for good offence or counter offence role.

 

[Mrc]

We need now futuristic Hypersonic Anti ship or Land attack missile for good offence or counter offence role.

We shud go for ballistic missiles in that role

 

[Trango Towers]

Ballistic missiles from a frigate? That wont happen. Cruise missiles are possible but unlikely in the near future, more likely they will be left for submarines to fire. The frigate fleet should and will focus on the antishipping and anti air and anti sub roles. They are not survivable enough against IN to perform land attack.

Why won't it happen? Is it because gora shahib hasn't done it for you. It's an engineering problem that's all

 

[Blue Marlin]

You seem eager to know why it has a taller VLS The reason could be

1. Taller VLS that can fit LR-SAM/LACM (as you mentioned), or
2. taller VLS that can be fitted with quad-packed MR-SAM

There is one more difference - the thing above the VLS cells (near the bridge area). Isn't that FCS ?

your on about the tyoe 057

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Most likely the launcher for Ships will be a slanted version most likely since we don't have any ship that has the depth to fit in a large vertical launcher.

The slanted / inclined launchers are quite sufficient
I think for basic version we are looking at the Twin Missile or 3 Missile setup

Simplest solution is that the system would be laid to side and it will , be mechanically stood up in vertical position by mechanical hydraulics fairly basic basic engineering and then vertical launch would be possible

Quite simple to develop a mechanical system a very simple system to load up 4-5 missile

 

[Gryphon]

Are you referring to the sphere/ball atop of the bridge area? I think that's a target illumination radar (for guiding the HQ-16). Could it be that the one at IDEAS was designed for a SAM that uses an active terminal seeker? DK-10?

Yes, the sphere. Could be the illumination radar.

There isn't much difference in the length of HQ-16 (5 m) and DK-10A (5.054 m). If the intent is to put only the DK-10A's (under development) in the VLS, there is not need to have a taller VLS (as in the model).

HQ-9 (6.8 m) is also active radar homing. So, maybe the IDEAS 2016 model frigate is capable of fitting the HQ-9 unlike the CSOC 4000 ton frigate.

your on about the tyoe 057

Type 057 is a rumoured design, not exactly the IDEAS 2016 model.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Yes, the sphere. Could be the illumination radar.

There isn't much difference in the length of HQ-16 (5 m) and DK-10A (5.054 m). If the intent is to put only the DK-10A's (under development) in the VLS, there is not need to have a taller VLS (as in the model).

HQ-9 (6.8 m) is also active radar homing. So, maybe the IDEAS 2016 model frigate is capable of fitting the HQ-9 unlike the CSOC 4000 ton frigate.



Type 057 is a rumoured design, not exactly the IDEAS 2016 model.

HQ-9 (or LACM) could be it. Yes the IDEAS frigate isn't the Type 057. It really does seem like the CSOC 4,000-ton frigate with a taller VLS section and no illumination radar. It's also conspicuously sitting beside the CSOC S26, which is likely the base platform of the Hangor (II). The only photos are of it are only from IDEAS ...

...watch the new frigates be F-22P with FL-3000N.

 

[Gryphon]

...watch the new frigates be F-22P with FL-3000N.

2 hi lelo par 32 cell wali

 

[rana MRL]

Make azmat a covertte size capable ship electronics and managemnt system from ada clads covette or joint turkish pakistan development... Have to be israrli Saar ship.. Small ship with lethal gadgets..

And if pakiistan have F22p building experience wjy yhe hell dont use it furthrr to mske at least design and body of frigate ourself.. A modular design incorporate both yurkish snd chinese or indiginous systrm...

 

[Basel]

We need now futuristic Supersonic Anti ship or Land attack missile for good offence or counter offence role.

YJ-18 is good option for PN.

 

[Fawad alam]

YJ-18 is good option for PN.

Yes offensive weapons like YJ-18, CX-1 or GQM-163.

 

[Tank131]

Why won't it happen? Is it because gora shahib hasn't done it for you. It's an engineering problem that's all

it won't happen because the longs vls available on the market is 7m and the smallest ballistic missiles in Pakistan's arsenal (abdali and ghaznavi) are 10m tall. It also wont happen because ballistic missiles are heavy and take up a huge amount of space to do a job better done by a smaller cheaper missile like a lacm. As for longer range missiles like ghauri and shaheen, they are 15-16 m in height and that is nearly the height of the superstructure of the ship. On 4000t frigate its a stupid idea and it doesn't take a white man to see that.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa), i agree, they are likely to get a subpar ship. While i see the rational of the opv/swift ship acquisitions, i dont think PN is paying attention to the glaring gap in their defense (anti air capacity). Pakistan as a whole pays little attention to its SAM networks which is disappointing. Look at the saudis intercepting the Houthi rocket over the weekend. Pakistan nor its ships could do that.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

it won't happen because the longs vls available on the market is 7m and the smallest ballistic missiles in Pakistan's arsenal (abdali and ghaznavi) are 10m tall. It also wont happen because ballistic missiles are heavy and take up a huge amount of space to do a job better done by a smaller cheaper missile like a lacm. As for longer range missiles like ghauri and shaheen, they are 15-16 m in height and that is nearly the height of the superstructure of the ship. On 4000t frigate its a stupid idea and it doesn't take a white man to see that.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa), i agree, they are likely to get a subpar ship. While i see the rational of the opv/swift ship acquisitions, i dont think PN is paying attention to the glaring gap in their defense (anti air capacity). Pakistan as a whole pays little attention to its SAM networks which is disappointing. Look at the saudis intercepting the Houthi rocket over the weekend. Pakistan nor its ships could do that.

I would even let it pass if there had been a firm plan for stationing 2 long-range fighter squadrons (e.g. Su-35 or MiG-35) at SAC to provide persistent coverage. The only hope we have is the fact that the PAF is raising a new air base (i.e. PAF Bholari) to station maritime support assets. One could hope that PAF Bholari will be home to something new ... (or some posters of F-22P with LY-60 SAM).