Is Luyten's establishment of Delhi trying to pull an Egypt on India?

[doppelganger]

Hidden agendas are those that doppelganger supposes BJP would pursue by virtue of his three selling points. I understand that many are also cases of vandalism.

When did I say temple attacks are legal? Please have a brain. You start with a premise that secular people enjoy temple burning and then work backwards. One of these days you will land on your back. Why do the sanghis go defensive about the church attacks? Instead they can focus on the temple attacks and bring to light the happenings about conversions. Please don't tell me media is sold out. They are hungry lapdogs, will lap onto any news.

Hungry is right. And getting hungrier by the day. The BJP having virtually frozen the mainstream media out. They will either need to learn how to behave, or get theeir news from third party sources, or manufacture the news (something they are great at).

Also, I would really appreciate some clarity from your side on what you think I'm hoping the BJP is going to do in a clandestine less than completely transparent manner.

 

[Prajapati]

What is "Hindu India"?! or "rising sangh"?

Idiotic rhetoric like this is one of the reasons for the mud throwing that has been going on lately... and will only continue in tearing the nation apart.

Hindu India is exactly that. A HINDU INDIA where Christians have equal rights due to the just nature of HINDU society.

Your threats of "tearing the nation apart" is laughable. That died with Nehru. The new trend is to TEAR UP the MEN threatening to tear the nation apart. You might want to remember that.

The Sikh's tried, the Kashmir's tried, Nagaland tried. ............. guess what ? No one is going to tear up HINDU INDIA. Get it ?

 

[rubyjackass]

The answer is simple, and obvious. The country did not want Advani. And the country was not yet ready for Modi.

Some useless rhetoric. The conditions are similar. The only thing that changed is that Modi focussed on a development platform. Good thing at least he remembers it, if not you.

Why do you want the BJP to ape the AAP?

They are the elected governement of a world power. A top military, economic and cultural power.

You want them to act like insecure unsure jokers?

Please .....

Insecurity is this: when someone calls you communal, you keep getting riled up and the only defence is: well they are too.

A political attack is just that. You can counter it or keep crying that church attacks are a conspiracy. If India is that much of a Hindutva ground as you claim, you would have shrugged off saying they wouldn't matter for the government. Instead you have to discredit the stories of attacks. Textbook insecurity.

 

[Darmashkian]

I'm a little old school in this respect bro. I believe a Sanatan Dharmi is by blood and not by man.

But we could probably make a rare exception this time.

Cause if a Sanatan Dharmi can be led away by man, he can be shown the way back by man.

I believe this like the conversion of SE Asia by the Cholas, will be an isolated blip in the overarching concept of faith by blood.

Many people haven't converted because they wanted Jesus or that missionary nonsense. They converted for the facilities the missionaries were offering them & what the govt. wasn't :- the right to use schools, hospitals,money to pay for the treatment of their family members have better houses, moremoney etc.

And when the converts become the majority in a village or they convince the landlords to convert, it becomes worse for the Hindus in the village
I have read news reports of a family saying they converted so that they could get money to treat their son who was dying

Add to that the Government (Centre & state)under YSR actively encouraged them.. In fact under YSR they had the guts to target Tirumala Hills(the abode of Tirupati Balaji) where they wanted to build a church.

& even after YSR's death with the approval of Sonia Gandhi & many other Christians in the Congress, they continued their work. After the victory of Modi & CBN, they lost govt. patronage & you know the rest.

& people are now reconverting because they have realised the lies of the missionaries. Also now the govt. instead of the missionaries(who lack money) will work towards development & giving them proper facilities .
And the lesser they depend upon the missionaries & the more development that happens, people will reconvert in large numbers with the ghar wapasi programs which are going on.

 

[doppelganger]

I was not talking about you, I was talking about the right wing in general. Lots of ghar wapsi, 4 children per woman etc. Maybe modi should do some work now. Almost a year since he came into power.

What do you think he has been doing? He has carved out a very visible footprint for India abroad. Is projecting Indian influence in the region proactively. Has reached out to the US, China, Australia, Russia, and Japan. We are moving towards increasing self sufficiency in military manufacturing. We have given strong responses to aggression from both our troublesome neighbors. These are few I can think of off the topof my head, that make an impact on me.

 

[rubyjackass]

Also, I would really appreciate some clarity from your side on what you think I'm hoping the BJP is going to do in a clandestine less than completely transparent manner.

I thought BJP was elected on a development platform which means their intentions are to develop India and gain political capital. You instead claim they got elected for 3 reasons or attributes rather. You should tell me what intentions they will translate into. If BJP were transparent, all I see is a chant about progress. But you say that is not why they got elected. So what intentions of theirs did you like?

 

[Koovie]

Hindu India is exactly that. A HINDU INDIA where Christians have equal rights due to the just nature of HINDU society.

Your threats of "tearing the nation apart" is laughable. That died with Nehru. The new trend is to TEAR UP the MEN threatening to tear the nation apart. You might want to remember that.

The Sikh's tried, the Kashmir's tried, Nagaland tried. ............. guess what ? No one is going to tear up HINDU INDIA. Get it ?

India was never "Hindu India".. India was, is and always will be shaped by Indians, not only Hindus. And that includes countless Religions, cultures, customs, languages etc etc etc ...
Fact.

India is not backward dark age state with state religion, I suggest you read the constitution of India.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

What do you think he has been doing? He has carved out a very visible footprint for India abroad. Is projecting Indian influence in the region proactively. Has reached out to the US, China, Australia, Russia, and Japan. We are moving towards increasing self sufficiency in military manufacturing. We have given strong responses to aggression from both our troublesome neighbors. These are few I can think of off the topof my head, that make an impact on me.

Oh he's been having a jolly time with foreign trips alright, including doing a lot of things that the MEA could do on their own. Meanwhile budget in the dumps no policy initiaves (insurance is basically a rehashed version of the one the congress tried to push through). Looks like it takes very little to please bhakt people.

 

[Frogman]

Is Luyten's establishment of Delhi trying to pull an Egypt on India?

No.

 

[doppelganger]

Some useless rhetoric. The conditions are similar. The only thing that changed is that Modi focussed on a development platform. Good thing at least he remembers it, if not you.

Nothing changed. The party is still the party it always was, always will be. In its ideology, in its vision for India, in how it sees all Indians.

What changed was that the country was now ready for the man. And before that, his party and the Sangh was ready for him.

Insecurity is this: when someone calls you communal, you keep getting riled up and the only defence is: well they are too.

A political attack is just that. You can counter it or keep crying that church attacks are a conspiracy. If India is that much of a Hindutva ground as you claim, you would have shrugged off saying they wouldn't matter for the government. Instead you have to discredit the stories of attacks. Textbook insecurity.

I'm sorry you either have me mixed up with some other poster or have misunderstood what I was trying to convey to you.

Why should the Government keep reflexively knee jerkingly come forward and keep blurting out condemnations and explanations for every small incident that happens around the country?

That is not its job. The country is run in different ways. Those who are responsible, where they are responsible, let them do their job. Make them do their job. Expose them if they are not doing their job.

What is this nonsensical farc of expecting the PM of the country to come out and speak on everything. Is he going to decide his public discourse based on the whims of foreign owned, backed and funded media houses, bought out media lackeys, and so called NGOs and rights groups?

Again, do you think the majority Hindus are less intelligent than the whining fringe?

Many people haven't converted because they wanted Jesus or that missionary nonsense. They converted for the facilities the missionaries were offering them & what the govt. wasn't :- the right to use schools, hospitals,money to pay for the treatment of their family members have better houses, moremoney etc.

And when the converts become the majority in a village or they convince the landlords to convert, it becomes worse for the Hindus in the village
I have read news reports of a family saying they converted so that they could get money to treat their son who was dying

Add to that the Government (Centre & state)under YSR actively encouraged them.. In fact under YSR they had the guts to target Tirumala Hills(the abode of Tirupati Balaji) where they wanted to build a church.

& even after YSR's death with the approval of Sonia Gandhi & many other Christians in the Congress, they continued their work. After the victory of Modi & CBN, they lost govt. patronage & you know the rest.

& people are now reconverting because they have realised the lies of the missionaries. Also now the govt. instead of the missionaries(who lack money) will work towards development & giving them proper facilities .
And the lesser they depend upon the missionaries & the more development that happens, people will reconvert in large numbers with the ghar wapasi programs which are going on.

I know all of this bro.

Exceptional times call for exceptional measures.

I thought BJP was elected on a development platform which means their intentions are to develop India and gain political capital. You instead claim they got elected for 3 reasons or attributes rather. You should tell me what intentions they will translate into. If BJP were transparent, all I see is a chant about progress. But you say that is not why they got elected. So what intentions of theirs did you like?

Simple.

Stop minority appeasement.

And take cognisance of 85% of your populace as well.

Oh he's been having a jolly time with foreign trips alright, including doing a lot of things that the MEA could do on their own. Meanwhile budget in the dumps no policy initiaves (insurance is basically a rehashed version of the one the congress tried to push through). Looks like it takes very little to please bhakt people.

As compared to what the Congress did?

Just the reply to Pakistan and China within months of his coming to power was enough for this term.

You can choose to continue whinging for the next 4 years.

 

[rubyjackass]

Conveniently igonre the link posted that spoke about the "attacks" , and keep saying they are hate crimes.
Crying wolf: Narrative of ‘Delhi church attacks’ flies in the face of facts - Firstpost
Read.There is a reason I brought up temple attacks.

Portray that these "attacks" are done by "sanghis" or imply they are (incorrect) and dismiss anything that actually tries to contest this Okay!

I said there are cases of vandalism as a way of saying they are not all 'attacks' as pictured. Which meant some are just hyped. I have read the article already.

Bengal nun rape case was a hate crime from the looks of it. I have no comments on Delhi church 'attacks'. What do you want me to say? That all church incidents are not hate crimes? That would be wrong too.

And nobody is saying church attacks/ started after BJP. And please spare us the BS that BJP is a victim. They are the originators of the religious place scare method.

 

[Prajapati]

India was never "Hindu India".. India was, is and always will be shaped by Indians, not only Hindus. And that includes countless Religions, cultures, customs, languages etc etc etc ...
Fact.

India is not backward dark age state with state religion, I suggest you read the constitution of India.

India WAS / IS/ WILL Always Remain a HINDU India. .........and because its a Hindu India, it will be shaped by ALL Indians while continuing to be a Hindu India, irrespective of culture, customs. languages etc... Fact.

India is an ENLIGHTENED state guided by Hindu Philosophy, not a backward christian nation from the dark ages. Between the two of us, I am the only person who has read the constitution of BHARAT.

Why do you think govt interferes in the management of Temples but not of churches or mosques ? That is because the govt. see itself as a govt of HINDU India. Just one of a hundred examples I can give

I said there are cases of vandalism as a way of saying they are not all 'attacks' as pictured. Which meant some are just hyped. I have read the article already.

Bengal nun rape case was a hate crime from the looks of it. I have no comments on Delhi church 'attacks'. What do you want me to say? That all church incidents are not hate crimes? That would be wrong too.

And nobody is saying church attacks/ started after BJP. And please spare us the BS that BJP is a victim. They are the originators of the religious place scare method.

BJP was the originator of religious place scare method ? .... was the goa inquest done by the BJP ? was Ayodhya Ram temple demolished by the BJP ? Was the godhra train burned by the BJP ?

 

[rubyjackass]

Nothing changed. The party is still the party it always was, always will be. In its ideology, in its vision for India, in how it sees all Indians.

What changed was that the country was now ready for the man. And before that, his party and the Sangh was ready for him.

Nice line... ready for the man. Nothing in real terms though.

I'm sorry you either have me mixed up with some other poster or have misunderstood what I was trying to convey to you.

Why should the Government keep reflexively knee jerkingly come forward and keep blurting out condemnations and explanations for every small incident that happens around the country?
What is this nonsensical farc of expecting the PM of the country to come out and speak on everything. Is he going to decide his public discourse based on the whims of foreign owned, backed and funded media houses, bought out media lackeys, and so called NGOs and rights groups?

Nobody is asking the government to keep blurting condemnations. The government is getting into issues with image. Talk less, maintain the image.

Again, do you think the majority Hindus are less intelligent than the whining fringe?

No, that is why majority Hindus do/did not vote communal. You can check vote share statistics over years.

I know all of this bro.

Exceptional times call for exceptional measures.
Simple.
Stop minority appeasement.
And take cognisance of 85% of your populace as well.

OK Good. They are good. Totally agree with them. How are these exceptional times? The minority appeasement flew away with Congress. So all this was achieved with just the unseating of Congress. Stopping something is not an active measure.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Nothing changed. The party is still the party it always was, always will be. In its ideology, in its vision for India, in how it sees all Indians.

What changed was that the country was now ready for the man. And before that, his party and the Sangh was ready for him.



I'm sorry you either have me mixed up with some other poster or have misunderstood what I was trying to convey to you.

Why should the Government keep reflexively knee jerkingly come forward and keep blurting out condemnations and explanations for every small incident that happens around the country?

That is not its job. The country is run in different ways. Those who are responsible, where they are responsible, let them do their job. Make them do their job. Expose them if they are not doing their job.

What is this nonsensical farc of expecting the PM of the country to come out and speak on everything. Is he going to decide his public discourse based on the whims of foreign owned, backed and funded media houses, bought out media lackeys, and so called NGOs and rights groups?

Again, do you think the majority Hindus are less intelligent than the whining fringe?



I know all of this bro.

Exceptional times call for exceptional measures.



Simple.

Stop minority appeasement.

And take cognisance of 85% of your populace as well.



As compared to what the Congress did?

Just the reply to Pakistan and China within months of his coming to power was enough for this term.

You can choose to continue whinging for the next 4 years.

Under congress the levels of foreign relations was exactly what it is right now. Rest is baloney. And with china what happened? They sent their troops into incursion zones even after he came. You can puff him up as much as you want but they know what he really is. Under UPA we had the same levels (if not better) relationship with Obama and Putin, so don't project Modi as having made a breakthrough there.

 

[TejasMk3]

Bengal nun rape case was a hate crime from the looks of it. I have no comments on Delhi church 'attacks'. What do you want me to say? That all church incidents are not hate crimes? That would be wrong too.

In the cases of Delhi the police have already investigated made statements that they are not hate crimes. why igore the delhi police statements? How the is the nun rape a hate crime...seriously? Some articles mention they were from Bangladesh, and were trying to rob the church,
Bengal nun gangrape: Mamata orders CBI probe, state officials suspect culprits are in Bangladesh

but of course you already claim it is a hate crime Hmmm...!

And nobody is saying church attacks/ started after BJP.