Is it worth it to build Shivaji Statue in India?

[padamchen]

Lol. Rip comprehension skills.

I understand thinking like yours perfectly. And accept that when we forged a nation, we understood that there would be all sorts within it. That not all could or would fight. That some would have to fight for the rest.

 

[scorpionx]

Sir, please just let it go. You will just NEVER understand what a large no of Maharashtrians feel (maharashtrians meaning people of Maharashtra, about 35 to 40pct of whom non marathis).

We can LITERALLY point out a million other wastes of money, anti development policies, anti national policies and politics carried out in other states of India. And Shivaji is our ultimate hero, and all his stories that tell our children are of benevolence, pragmatism and about INDIAN nationalism. Nobody will tell a Sikh Ranjeet Singh was over rated, but every two bit academician from a particular political leaning will belittle Shivaji. Why? Because in the end we can be taken for granted. Our Indian nationalism can be taken for granted unlike a dozen other states. Let us build a statue. Yes the money can be better used. Every cent the gov't spends can be better used. Don't pick on Shivaji. He united us. And we have replicated that spirit in Maharashtra, which is a mini India today. If you can't appreciate it, at least keep out. A humble request because I respect your work.

When I say, that this huge sum of money could have been better spend for those who really needed (I did provide news reports about under funded health infra), it does not necessarily mean being disrespectful to Shivaji. I do know what place he holds among Marathas, but I also know malnourished women and kids might have some other priorities than this statue. If expressing concern about economically underprivileged class means disrespect by the urban middle class, I feel pity for this sort of wretched attitude by a class, that should have been more liberal and rational. Sorry to say, this kind of shameful intellectual degradation is perhaps unprecedented in the entire world, where argument is based not on facts, but the participant's religion or ethnicity. Pathetic.

 

[Logicaldude]

When I say, that this huge sum of money could have been better spend for those who really needed (I did provide news reports about under funded health infra), it does not necessarily mean being disrespectful to Shivaji. I do know what place he holds among Marathons, but I also know malnourished women and kids might have some other priorities than this statue. If expressing concern about economically underprivileged class means disrespect by the urban middle class, I feel pity for this sort of wretched attitude by a class, that should have been more liberal and rational. Sorry to say, this kind of shameful intellectual degradation is perhaps unprecedented in the entire world, where argument is based not on facts, but the participant's religion or ethnicity. Pathetic.

Not at all. Many maharashtrians who support it are not even marathi, including on this thread.

Yes the money can be better spent. Agreed.

But so can the money for just about everything else too.

Here is how this backfires. While practising the most vile kind of politics in your own state (including beating up Maharashtra police transporting Bangladeshis for deportation through bengal) - and that politics directly affects my state too, your concern for our politics that does not directly affect your state does, to us lesser intellectuals, sound hypocritical.

Your argument has merit, but purely practically you are in a position to reap far greater benefits using your energies on your own state, which is a low hanging fruit btw, than on ours. Yes we are stupid and not as liberal and intellectual as you, and you can truly dazzle us by showing us some results.

 

[scorpionx]

Not at all. Many maharashtrians who support it are not even marathi, including on this thread.

Yes the money can be better spent. Agreed.

But so can the money for just about everything else too.

Here is how this backfires. While practising the most vile kind of politics in your own state (including beating up Maharashtra police transporting Bangladeshis for deportation through bengal) - and that politics directly affects my state too, your concern for our politics that does not directly affect your state does, to us lesser intellectuals, sound hypocritical.

Your argument has merit, but purely practically you are in a position to reap far greater benefits using your energies on your own state, which is a low hanging fruit btw, than on ours. Yes we are stupid and not as liberal and intellectual as you, and you can truly dazzle us by showing us some results.

Nobody in a democracy has to meet some preconditions to express his/ her opinion. Take it or leave it, any one can criticize your state, when it is needed.

 

[Logicaldude]

Nobody in a democracy has to meet some preconditions to express his/ her opinion. Take it or leave it, any one can criticize your state, when it is needed.

Yes. And we can point out the hypocrisy in it and the absolute abdication of responsibility and accountability by people who preach otherwise in a democracy too.

 

[scorpionx]

Yes. And we can point out the hypocrisy in it and the absolute abdication of responsibility and accountability by people who preach otherwise in a democracy too.

That's sounds completely illogical and absurd. In a debate, it's facts that are countered not participant's identity. Seriously, the level of arguments have become so elementary here, I am out of this discussion.

 

[Logicaldude]

That's sounds completely illogical and absurd. In a debate, it's facts that are countered not participant's identity. Seriously, the level of arguments have become so elementary here, I am out of this discussion.

No hard feelings Bondhu. Also don't spoil your mood. Have a nice day.

 

[jaunty]

Disgusting waste of money and vulgar display of wealth in a state where over 6000 farmers have committed suicide in the last 2 years. To put things into perspective, two highways like the Bombay-Pune highway can be built in $500 million.

 

[BATMAN]

they are sure the statue in 'campaign' is one built in his era at his castle/fort etc.. it is somewhere between pages 5-7 i think

idk the criteria but please the thread @Oscar

Than who was the one, whom they were worshiping for hundereds of years?

 

[Goenitz]

Than who was the one, whom they were worshiping for hundereds of years?

post #62
idk about the 'one' who they were worshiping

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Olly Clap ! People al still goin about it

 

[Deadpool]

as it seems sivaji is a controversial figure.

No. He isn't. Shivaji is acknowledged pan-India and respected as such. His portraits and statues and buildings named after from range all the way from Delhi to Kolkata, not to mention Mahrashtra itself.

 

[WebMaster]

Please get back to the topic.

 

[Hiptullha]

No. He isn't. Shivaji is acknowledged pan-India and respected as such. His portraits and statues and buildings named after from range all the way from Delhi to Kolkata, not to mention Mahrashtra itself.

Lol didn't he work with the British to defeat Tipu Sultan? Lmfao, this is the symbol Indians hold up as 'Pan-India'.

 

[Hindustani78]

Lol didn't he work with the British to defeat Tipu Sultan? Lmfao, this is the symbol Indians hold up as 'Pan-India'.

Its more with the location too.

Total waste of time and money. Do marathas need such a big statue to realize their rich history. Indians need more maturity.
Should have used those funds to clean rivers, canals or build new road links between poorly connected towns/cities.

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