Is It Time For Gen. Raheel To Go:----

[Pandora]

A simple genuine question to you. Ever since I started visiting this forum in 2005-6, every single terrorist attack has been blamed on India by Pakistani members. I mean common... ten long years are over... still new terrorists and not even a single evidence given to UN, International forums or anywhere. You people create threads about evidence given to US/UK and everybody BUT NOT A SINGLE NATION/ PM/ Foreign Minister has ever said to the media or official statement that India is responsible.

Have you ever wondered why everybody from USA to UK to Russia to Israel to India all are trying to destroy you?

BTW we are not here to send roses . Its upto your agencies and security establishments to stop attacks on Pakistan. Like how we account our IB/ NSA responsible for Pathankot attacks. And no, the 100's of terrorists killed every year in suicide bombings and attacks are not some Hindu Baniyas or Brahmins or Dalits. Every one of them are your so called Jihadists graduating from the very same Madrassahs that used to produce mujahids targetting India.

You know, snakes can never be tamed 100%. Sometimes, they do bite the owner and thats exactly what is happening. After the 1990's where we suffered hundreds of causalities, look at the figures now. No wonder these same men have turned back and are targeting Pakistani asets afterall.

Saudis have been financing Terorists for years and yet no one dares speak against them. It is not bcz saudis have some magical power but oil which affects global economy. Same goes for india which has in past one decade become canon fodder for american against china hence even if we present any sort of evidence in biased security couincil it will never be accepted. Israeil is another example as its war crimes are not hidden from this world but not even champion of human right Europe dare speak against them just beacuse they have vested interests in them. India is the newest example in this long list where interests triumph reality of this world. Now that India is bound to become biggest importer or military hardware from america then no one can expect justice bcz americans want to keep their pockets warm.

We did durring zias era which any country would have done against soviets. If pakistanis find the idea of ever integerating with india sickening then what makes you think we would have done anything else against Soviets. We only trained them as weapons and finances were provided by Ssaudis and Americans. Afghanistan was completely stable untill americans came storming afghanistan just to catch one person. American had a long term plan in mind which was to be in place to destablise iran and pakistan by sitting next door. Thank goodness afghanis handed them their arses on platter and they were kept so busy that they literally ran home broke. In short if Indians were in pakistani place then i doubt they would have licked feet of soviets and let them take over their country.

Suppose if we admit pakistan is behind every ill india has fantacised. Pakistan has always only supported kashmiri freedom struggle not other parts of India. Pakistan always supported groups which never blew them selves up in india. As if it were the case then you could have imagined the scale of masacare that could have occurred in india. Pakistan always supported people who always fought indian force not civilians. On the other hand BLA, BRA, TTP supported and financed by India have been attacking civilian killing innocent women children without any shame. Indian defense minister openly admitted his support for terror groups against pakistan in many ocassion. If some false flags carried out by indian are blammed on pakistan then that is not our problem.

 

[MastanKhan]

Perhaps it is time for you to take a break from this forum old man.
You are putting too much pressure on your brain nowadays.
Take a leave from pdf if you will.

Hi,

When you are old enough to take my place---I will move out---simple as that---.

What is the guarantee the next general is going to have courage to make all these plans happen?
What if the next one is not even going to put any effort to fix the problems?

Hi,

When the next one is bad as well---then fire him and get another one---and if that one os also bad----then it is time to put the gun to your head and pull the trigger if you cannot live that life anymore.

Saudis have been financing Terorists for years and yet no one dares speak against them. It is not bcz saudis have some magical power but oil which affects global economy. Same goes for india which has in past one decade become canon fodder for american against china hence even if we present any sort of evidence in biased security couincil it will never be accepted. Israeil is another example as its war crimes are not hidden from this world but not even champion of human right Europe dare speak against them just beacuse they have vested interests in them. India is the newest example in this long list where interests triumph reality of this world. Now that India is bound to become biggest importer or military hardware from america then no one can expect justice bcz americans want to keep their pockets warm.

We did durring zias era which any country would have done against soviets. If pakistanis find the idea of ever integerating with india sickening then what makes you think we would have done anything else against Soviets. We only trained them as weapons and finances were provided by Ssaudis and Americans. Afghanistan was completely stable untill americans came storming afghanistan just to catch one person. American had a long term plan in mind which was to be in place to destablise iran and pakistan by sitting next door. Thank goodness afghanis handed them their arses on platter and they were kept so busy that they literally ran home broke. In short if Indians were in pakistani place then i doubt they would have licked feet of soviets and let them take over their country.

Suppose if we admit pakistan is behind every ill india has fantacised. Pakistan has always only supported kashmiri freedom struggle not other parts of India. Pakistan always supported groups which never blew them selves up in india. As if it were the case then you could have imagined the scale of masacare that could have occurred in india. Pakistan always supported people who always fought indian force not civilians. On the other hand BLA, BRA, TTP supported and financed by India have been attacking civilian killing innocent women children without any shame. Indian defense minister openly admitted his support for terror groups against pakistan in many ocassion. If some false flags carried out by indian are blammed on pakistan then that is not our problem.

Hi,

The saudis lope their heads off in public every friday---.

Why don't the pakistanis start dping that---public hangings and let the bodies hang by the rope outside of every city that they are caught in till the birds eat them or they fall off the rope.

That is why I am a great folower of the justice of Amir Abdur Rahman----afghanistan was as corrupt and lawless as it was then.

He executed the murderers and put robbers and dacoits in iron cages and let the prisoners starve to death and let their skeletons stay inside or the highways.

That kind of punishment we need---swift and quick for some---ruthless and brutal for other----until and unless an example is not made out of these terrs---unless they don't fear death and what happens to their bodies---they cannot be stopped.

 

[Pandora]

Hi,

When you are old enough to take my place---I will move out---simple as that---.



Hi,

When the next one is bad as well---then fire him and get another one---and if that one os also bad----then it is time to put the gun to your head and pull the trigger if you cannot live that life anymore.




Hi,

The saudis lope their heads off in public every friday---.

Why don't the pakistanis start dping that---public hangings and let the bodies hang by the rope outside of every city that they are caught in till the birds eat them or they fall off the rope.

That is why I am a great folower of the justice of Amir Abdur Rahman----afghanistan was as corrupt and lawless as it was then.

He executed the murderers and put robbers and dacoits in iron cages and let the prisoners starve to death and let their skeletons stay inside or the highways.

That kind of punishment we need---swift and quick for some---ruthless and brutal for other----until and unless an example is not made out of these terrs---unless they don't fear death and what happens to their bodies---they cannot be stopped.

Most of the heads they chop off are poor imigrants who work there. Most likely scape goats for some rich arab who killed some one and needs someone to blame. Saudis never touch any one unless that saudi is shia other wise at most they will pay money to victims and be off the hook. Who will answer Champons of justice Europeons and American who are just waiting for us to find something wrong in Pakistanis. We are undermicroscope of every other country in the world. Even squating a fly turns into an animal abuse in Euorpeon media. I think hanging is already being carried out but public hangings are a bit stone agey and distastefull.

Problem of pakistan is not the punishment but our dilemma of us being half of us being Secular liberals and others being Goddamn wahabis. So if one side tries to do something good then other side declares a fatwa to call it haram. Our polarised society is our own bane. It also opens up path for other countires to get a bite for themselves on this discord.

 

[MastanKhan]

Today at 1:14 AM#9

@Ulla

" we should better check the security's and their duty which was not well done, secondly all radicals must be hanged now ! In such a attack we must hang 100 TTP prisoners "!

Source: THE F16 DILLEMA---PAF HAS GONE TOO FAR--NO MORE F16's PLEASE

That is one simple way of handling things----hang a 100 of them for every strike against the state---and hang their fundo mullah leaders as well---.

Public hangings outside of the citites that they are caught at---and let them dangle by the rope for a few days.

for smaller towns and villages that see strangers coming in---if they do not report to the police---the head of he city must be taken out as well---properties confiscated---families expelled----.

Let us take this war to the next level.

That is why I say that Gen Raheel does not have the mettle to do that and Nawaz----he is like a spaghetti in water.

 

[Zarvan]

Hi,

It is about time that Gen Raheel and P M Nawaz should be shown the door. Both have had their time in the office and have not used it to make a substantial difference in the security of the nation.

The supreme court should dissolve the govt----terminate the general and find another man more suitable for the job.

The general has shown no urgency to tackle the problem---but is moving at a slow pace. The nation is not on thre same page because of immense corruption in the provinces and the corrupt being let go.

The general has lied thru his teeth that the corrupt will pay the price=----but we have been listening to this drama for the last one year now---and no one has been persecuted.

the criminal in chief Zardari was allowed to escape alongwith many others with all their cash.

I believe that the general is a good man---who means good----but does not have the courage and lacks the decisive and incisive power to make things happen.

There is too much docility at the generals staff level of pakistan military.

This is not easy war and no change can come over night. We are not just facing rogue group but enemies who has support of our enemies like India. General Raheel has given best performance but we are facing a determined enemy

 

[!eon]

Hi,


The general has shown no urgency to tackle the problem---but is moving at a slow pace. The nation is not on thre same page because of immense corruption in the provinces and the corrupt being let go.

The general has lied thru his teeth that the corrupt will pay the price=----but we have been listening to this drama for the last one year now---and no one has been persecuted.

The day, when cases of two corrupt, a long ago retired Generals was brought back from NAB into Military courts and were given punishment of severe displeasure, had reviled who is how much sincere.


If you got contractor fellow who works with military, you can ask how much easy it is to slip in and out things from the most sensitive places, Of course with permission and share of officials, otherwise its a big crime.

This corrupt nation is on mercy of terrorists. Folks should be thankful to them that they are not attacking each and every school and military installation.. they too are corrupt.. perhaps take full money and do only one percent of work.

 

[Musafir117]

70% decrease in terrorism since 2013 is not good enough?

And increase 100% in start of 2016? Actually we never solve the real problem the route cause!
We are happy to operation in Karachi it's enough for us to hit specific targets in Fata or near to afghan border. Not enough brother the real Devils living among us.
1. Kick out all afghan refugees, keep who well known busissmen and become nationals and keep them in record in sights.
2. Only in ISD three thousands madrass students living and " Studying " ( as per national figures 15% somehow " effected " ) clean the madrass from hard right wing elements.
b. Same in ISD mulla burqa posh keep busy producing eggs and proudly claiming having an army of human bombs and their girls sings songs praise Daesh.
3. Baluchistan operation is just look like a show piece and it's still heaven for foreign based militants.
4. We need to get rid from MeJ and other extreme hard wing religious parties from Punjab, what u think where Punjab Taliban gone? They were most active in Pakistan and in past claim proudly attacks on agencies on minorties etc.
we need a real operation clean up from all ranks inside institutions burerucrates educational institutes and political parties, whoever have links with extreme hard wing religious parties needs to be wipe out.

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

Hi,

When you are old enough to take my place---I will move out---simple as that---.



Hi,

When the next one is bad as well---then fire him and get another one---and if that one os also bad----then it is time to put the gun to your head and pull the trigger if you cannot live that life anymore.




Hi,

The saudis lope their heads off in public every friday---.

Why don't the pakistanis start dping that---public hangings and let the bodies hang by the rope outside of every city that they are caught in till the birds eat them or they fall off the rope.

That is why I am a great folower of the justice of Amir Abdur Rahman----afghanistan was as corrupt and lawless as it was then.

He executed the murderers and put robbers and dacoits in iron cages and let the prisoners starve to death and let their skeletons stay inside or the highways.

That kind of punishment we need---swift and quick for some---ruthless and brutal for other----until and unless an example is not made out of these terrs---unless they don't fear death and what happens to their bodies---they cannot be stopped.

Didn't request you to move out.Suggested a break instead.

 

[mr.robot]

Hi,

It is about time that Gen Raheel and P M Nawaz should be shown the door. Both have had their time in the office and have not used it to make a substantial difference in the security of the nation.

The supreme court should dissolve the govt----terminate the general and find another man more suitable for the job.

The general has shown no urgency to tackle the problem---but is moving at a slow pace. The nation is not on thre same page because of immense corruption in the provinces and the corrupt being let go.

The general has lied thru his teeth that the corrupt will pay the price=----but we have been listening to this drama for the last one year now---and no one has been persecuted.

the criminal in chief Zardari was allowed to escape alongwith many others with all their cash.

I believe that the general is a good man---who means good----but does not have the courage and lacks the decisive and incisive power to make things happen.

There is too much docility at the generals staff level of pakistan military.

Keep rotating untill some chap who has lost a loved one and is directly victim of this menace. Only that person will give no f*ck to previous and current policies(of good/bad taliban) and hit the bastards like no one else. I do have a feeling since some months that Raheel is a bit refined from of Kyani and has a better media team. Kyani's apetie was money while Raheel wants media's attention. Like Iftikhar Chaudhry, Raheel's actions are there just to achieve fame while nothing concrete and solid work is happening in form of reforms(Mdaras and Uplifting of FATA). Pardon me for this "blasphemy"

Terrorist are manufacturers in mosque and madrasas..unless those are not close down..we are simply killing the end product to be replaced with more radical fresh stock.

Army response to APS attack was also pathetic..making songs over dead children no matter how motivating is sick and disgusting...a more rational review of armed forces, security situation and above all the national issues leading to terrorism should have been discussed in an open forum...terrorism today is a byproduct of religious mentality which encourages irresponsible reproduction.

I wish that I could upvote you thousand times.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Gen Raheel made the same mistake as Gen Mushy did---he let Zardari escape alongwith Nawaz----they bit him in the ar-se.

Gen Raheel let Zardari escape and that will cost the nation dearly. There is no urgency in solving problems---and that creates chaos and anarchy---he has given time to peoples part to think---it was on the run---now they have planned how to neuter Gen Raheel.

Very bad mistake for letting these criminals escape. Basically---he is all talk and not much substance.

Gen Raheel had his chance after APS shooting---he could have over thrown the govt---and not many countries would have objected---he could have taken the stand of lack of commitment from the civilian govt.

 

[Kabira]

And increase 100% in start of 2016? Actually we never solve the real problem the route cause!
We are happy to operation in Karachi it's enough for us to hit specific targets in Fata or near to afghan border. Not enough brother the real Devils living among us.
1. Kick out all afghan refugees, keep who well known busissmen and become nationals and keep them in record in sights.
2. Only in ISD three thousands madrass students living and " Studying " ( as per national figures 15% somehow " effected " ) clean the madrass from hard right wing elements.
b. Same in ISD mulla burqa posh keep busy producing eggs and proudly claiming having an army of human bombs and their girls sings songs praise Daesh.
3. Baluchistan operation is just look like a show piece and it's still heaven for foreign based militants.
4. We need to get rid from MeJ and other extreme hard wing religious parties from Punjab, what u think where Punjab Taliban gone? They were most active in Pakistan and in past claim proudly attacks on agencies on minorties etc.
we need a real operation clean up from all ranks inside institutions burerucrates educational institutes and political parties, whoever have links with extreme hard wing religious parties needs to be wipe out.

In january 2015 137 civilians died. Lets see by end of this month how many die this month, as of 17th January 15 civilians were killed by terrorists.

Fatalities in Pakistan Region Wise 2016

So this attack is set back but I'm pretty sure overall less people will die this month then in January 2015. In 2014 236 civilians were killed, in 2013 414. So yes there has been huge decrease in terrorism and everyone in Pakistan can tell you this, especially those in KPK.

 

[MastanKhan]

I demand edit your post, it is insulting and mockery to Islam.

Sir,

Islam is protected by Allah to the end---muslim is not protected by Allah. The mockery can be made of the muslim---Islam is beyond being made mockery of.

 

[Maarkhoor]

@MastanKhan

my elder bro where you get these ideas, a bad sleep is the reason behind. i don't know about N.S but Gen Raheel done tremendous Job against TTP, 80% reduction in attacks but what is happening RAW is far more active than we thought, Modi Govt give free hand to RAW to punish Pakistan for the attacks which was actually a false flag from RAW.
You know how difficult the operation in wazirastan,army have to search inch by inch of very rough and high terrain. criticizing Gen Raheel totaly biased.

 

[MastanKhan]

The day, when cases of two corrupt, a long ago retired Generals was brought back from NAB into Military courts and were given punishment of severe displeasure, had reviled who is how much sincere.


If you got contractor fellow who works with military, you can ask how much easy it is to slip in and out things from the most sensitive places, Of course with permission and share of officials, otherwise its a big crime.

This corrupt nation is on mercy of terrorists. Folks should be thankful to them that they are not attacking each and every school and military installation.. they too are corrupt.. perhaps take full money and do only one percent of work.

Hi,

I don't care about this B S---. When they bring out the base commander of karachi attack and the security incharge---the base commander of the Kamra attack and his security incharge---and the air vice marshalls who were the regional commanders and execute them with an anti air craft gun like No Korea did---till then this all is a Topi drama--.

And don't forget that Lt Col in 2005---who stopped the convoy because a few trees were fallen on the road---he stopped the convoy and did not place security detail---they got surrounded by taliban and he ordered to lay down the arms----that guy is on the top of the list for execution.

And another officer---this was for frontier constabulary---in right after tora bora when the terrs were coming and the FC captured a bus load---the soldiers wanted to tie their hands but the officer stated--no---they are our brothers---no tying hands---. A melee occured--some of those captured while getting on the bus got entangled with the FC sodliers grabbed their rifles and killed many of them and escaped.

That officer needs his firing squad moment---.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Hi,

It is about time that Gen Raheel and P M Nawaz should be shown the door. Both have had their time in the office and have not used it to make a substantial difference in the security of the nation.

The supreme court should dissolve the govt----terminate the general and find another man more suitable for the job.

The general has shown no urgency to tackle the problem---but is moving at a slow pace. The nation is not on thre same page because of immense corruption in the provinces and the corrupt being let go.

The general has lied thru his teeth that the corrupt will pay the price=----but we have been listening to this drama for the last one year now---and no one has been persecuted.

the criminal in chief Zardari was allowed to escape alongwith many others with all their cash.

I believe that the general is a good man---who means good----but does not have the courage and lacks the decisive and incisive power to make things happen.

There is too much docility at the generals staff level of pakistan military.

Supreme patience is the call of the day. Sacrifices are there to be made to fix the issues which developed over long time. Showing back and leaving the trench aren't the signs of manhood. Keep your cool and focus on strategies and tactics. I know it's dead easier to say than to do, but choices are very limited. Turkey has been fighting PKK for the last 30 years - if it provides any solace. We lost one third of our young male population in WW1.