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Is Israel really Pakistan’s enemy?

i would feel you are a bigot, since, this cheetah guy always does iranian mullah propaganda here and he has very high regards for iranian soil then he has for pakistan

i wont mind if you call me indian, behari to be exact :tup: im proud of what i am, if you even call jinnah, an indian who made pakistan, or AQ khan an indian who build pak as nuclear power i wont be offended, its for others to decide

I am a bigot? oh really... and isnt it you whose pushing his sectarian crap all over the forum...not to forget acting like altafs (fag)chamcha.... as for u being a mohajir.. we are the same people who fought for you and saved people like u in 47...
 
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I am a bigot? oh really... and isnt it you whose pushing his sectarian crap all over the forum...not to forget acting like altafs (fag)chamcha.... as for u being a mohajir.. we are the same people who fought for you and saved people like u in 47...

im not bringing any sectarian crap, if a shia is more loyal to iran then pakistan then i will call him the exact same thing, cheetah has never criticised iran nor its policies, infact he supports iranian mullahs, iran is their home, its like a makkah for them

this sectarian crap in pakistan has start since mullah took iran ownership
 
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i wont mind if you call me indian, behari to be exact :tup: im proud of what i am, if you even call jinnah, an indian who made pakistan, or AQ khan an indian who build pak as nuclear power i wont be offended, its for others to decide

Funny, because Jinnah was Shia. And no, he was born in modern day Pakistan.
 
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Arent you people already doing it?
Pakistanis pose as Indians

in bollywood indians pose as goras, what difference does it make, you guys need to get off your high heels that you dont have inferiority complex

infact indians are always confused since they have got dark skins which they re not ready to accept

Funny, because Jinnah was Shia. And no, he was born in modern day Pakistan.

ahan, im born in modern day pak too

but he is a mohajir, i think cheetah is mohajor too

it proves how pointless was the post you just foolishly thanked
 
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but he is a mohajir, i think cheetah is mohajor too

it proves how pointless was the post you just foolishly thanked

Whatever. Point is you can't go around calling people Non-Pakistani just because they don't agree with your point of view.
 
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Whatever. Point is you can't go around calling people Non-Pakistani just because they don't agree with your point of view.

dont try to be foolish i have already replied you, no need to beat about the bush

if i had been sectarian i would label all shias iranians, and balochs iranians, but i didnt
 
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in bollywood indians pose as goras, what difference does it make, you guys need to get off your high heels that you dont have inferiority complex

infact indians are always confused since they have got dark skins which they re not ready to accept
Comparing bollywood to real world pakistanis!!!?? Are you for real man!!?? :rofl:
 
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We will all normalize the relations with Israel, it has the right to exist. We have been trying to achieve that but unfortunately Iran and it's proxies have been always there to foil them. Iran and it's proxies are the main obstacles in the way of peace. As soon as they get finished, ME will much better place to live in.

I think you meant to say if Israel allows a two state solution and completely ends its occupation. And no, Iran is not going to be finished, I don't know what this means. Israel is the issue with the peace process. They have zero interest in Palestinian sovereignty or dignity.
 
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Israel would be very happy to make peace with Pakistan - but I don't see it happening.

There are some countries where the people want peace with us, but the governments don't for strategic reasons. In Pakistan I feel like the government wouldn't mind making peace, but the people would be against. I don't know what the percentage is for/against.

Other problem is that there is a lot of assassinations in Pakistan. Pakistani politicians and other notable people need huge protection - so there's no way Israelis can go over there without needing half an army to protect them.

Certainly recognition wouldn't cost much for Pakistan. Start there and let time warm relations slowly so the people get used to it.

Anyway, Pakistan has a lot bigger things to focus on than peace with Israel just now.
 
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WE SHOULD ACCEPT ISRAEL ITS TIME TO LEAVE ARABS.

im not bringing any sectarian crap, if a shia is more loyal to iran then pakistan then i will call him the exact same thing, cheetah has never criticised iran nor its policies, infact he supports iranian mullahs, iran is their home, its like a makkah for them

this sectarian crap in pakistan has start since mullah took iran ownership

IN PAKISTAN EVERY BODY IS MOHAJIR
 
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Growing up in Peshawar, a slightly conservative city of Pakistan, my sentiments as a child were nothing different from those of others in most parts of the country. I had a slight disliking for India, and sheer hatred for Israel.

Words such as ‘Jewish lobby’, ‘Zionists’, ‘Freemasons’, and many others – whose meanings many of us did not even know – kept ringing in our ears through religious scholars, teachers, friends and peers, and we used to associate all of them directly with Jews, especially Jews of Israel and those having major shares in US corporations.

The Indian intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) and the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad were always being linked to any terrorist happening in Pakistani, making these two countries as sole conspirators against Pakistan.

A few years ago, this very thought came to my mind while I was wondering why we don’t have any diplomatic ties with Israel. Not surprisingly, I failed to find even one solid reason to justify this lack of diplomatic relations.

I think there are two primary reasons for our hatred for Israel: One, the religious structures, among which I grew up, and still respect, and number two, the curriculum I was taught at school, and even at college.

It’s a bit naive to think now that till my late teens, I was busy hating India and Israel without any historical background or logic. The curriculum never taught us historical narratives of both Kashmir and Palestine, and thus gave us only one side of the picture.

I remember attending Friday sermons which would end in curses on India and Israel. Apparently, it was a “positive note”. If those sermons were directed towards policymakers or governments, maybe in some sense, they would have sounded logical. However, praying for deaths of innocent people -all the Jews- is nothing but making a scapegoat for religious sympathies.

Citizens of the same country came forward to support Palestinians against settlements, which proved all fundamentalist anti-Semitic theories wrong.

The situation concerning India luckily has settled to some extent with increasing awareness and education, but Israel holds the top spot when it comes to ‘enemies of Islam’, for a layman.

True, there are violations going on in Palestine; true, that Israel has fought multiple wars with Arab states, and true that Israel is a strong ally of India and the USA, but does it provide any rationale for us to not have any sort of relationship with Israel?

If foreign interventions or occupations are to be used as a criterion, then first and foremost Pakistan should cut off its ties with of the Western states on whose aid the country is relying.

The point I try to make here is that never in our academic or religious institutions have we been explained why Israel should be cursed. Never have we been told why people should believe that Israel is the root of most evils in Pakistan. Even if we try proving Israel’s hostility towards Pakistan, except one theory of Israel’s plan of attacking Pakistan’s nuclear set-up in Kahuta, nothing comes to the fore.

Pakistan, on the other hand, has many times volunteered for Arab wars against Israel – wars that were never directly related to Pakistan. The same countries Pakistani soldiers were fighting for against Israel never came for any help during the wars of 1965 and 1971.

In terms of strategic cooperation, when it came to Pakistan’s gain and interest, general Ziaul Haq was not shy of establishing intelligence cooperation networks with Israeli intelligence against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, but when it came recognition and bilateral ties, Zia was hesitant, like all other leaders of the country.

Without going into historical narratives of to whom true ownership of the Israel-Palestine land belongs, it is ironic to see that many of the Muslim states Pakistan tags as closest partners, and brothers such as Turkey and Egypt, have recognised Israel and have maintained cordial ties with it. If we wish to see an independent state of Palestine, it is important to have some sort of ties with Israel, as having no relations would only limit us to statements and rhetoric in support of Palestine.

If today, there is a hope for resolution of Kashmir issue, it is only because India and Pakistan have formal ties on every possible diplomatic level and forum, and same goes for Israel.

We, as a nation, are already suffering from the setbacks of hate-filled curriculum and society that seeped into our values allowing no space for minorities. It is time we start giving space to everyone and work towards inter-faith and inter-ethnic harmony and collaboration.

If we can have friends in India and the USA, why can’t we have friends in Israel? Why not pave a way for initiation of relations, primarily with the people, and not initially the government that may create opportunities for peace and a better future for the coming generations?

P.S. I don’t intend to hurt anyone’s religious or emotional attachment with Palestine, or to enter into right-wrong debate of Palestine crisis. The only purpose of this blog is finding answers to questions that constantly encounter us, the Pakistanis, while interacting with foreigners abroad.

Is Israel really Pakistan’s enemy? – The Express Tribune Blog

I am glade to see Pakistanis are starting to ask questions about this and other taboo topics like Israel is our enemy why? Arabs our friends really?.

Express tribune not again...........

And the bolded part is really a joke, we dont hate them for this nor is there any ''sheer hatred'' in our setup.

I wonder if their own Israeli Brothers n Papas r also sooooooooo concern abt Their relations with Pakistan:rofl:
 
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Israel is an indirect enemy of pakistan ,
israel today has a multi-billion dollar defence trade with india and india is the biggest defence market for israeli defence companies .
With the increasing indian defence budget i don't think they would risk loosing such a huge market for the sake of good ties with pakistan ,which is worth nothing.
infact israel has proved time and again that they are a reliable ally , the indo-israel ties got a major boost when israel came to india's help during the kargil , they provided us with one of the finest uav tech during the war which we needed to check the pakistani infilitrators in the high altitudes of kargil terrains, since then there has been no looking back , they have gone on to become one of our most trustworthy ally's .
so basically israel is fighting pakistan indirectly by helping india
 
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