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Is common Pakistani Man rooting for Taliban Resurgence in Afghanistan

oh when it comes to you, you ask for evidences BUTwhen you put allegation against ISI then why you dont show us evidences ? you dont have any proof against ISI but you people and your beloved USA always keep crying .........
its funny

I may not have asked for evidence, but since the other threads about Mullen and Panetta are filled with regurgitation of evidence requirement, I thought that probably the same rule should apply here ;)
 
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Can I just short-circuit this debate about ethnic/cultural ties? There is NO requirement that there should be common racial, ethnic or cultural ties. Afghanistan can become BFF with Peru if they want.

On the issue of Taliban, they were the means available at the time to achieve Pakistan's objectives to keep India at bay in Afghanistan. Now, I don't think most Pakistanis would want an extremist gun culture next door -- there is too much chance of spillover. However, if the Taliban moderated their views and became more mainstream, that would probably be the best option for Pakistan.

what is moderate taliban... Is it democratically elected taliban leaders or talban with female representation in cabinet, or taliban which doesn't impose 10th century rules... what exactly is moderate taliban ?
 
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You don't have collaboration from Iran to extend your operations into Afghanistan. So to reach Afghanistan, you need Pakistan. Or use the airspace of other nations besides Pakistan, which is costly & time consuming.

China has a border with Pakistan, India doesn't have a border with Afghanistan. There are Uighurs, as well as people of Tibetan heritage that are Pakistani citizens (the people of Gilgit-Baltistan); so unlike India & Afghanistan, there are cultural similarities between Pakistan & China.


So strategic ties between 2 countries is possible only if there are cultural similarities??? :rofl:
 
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You don't have collaboration from Iran to extend your operations into Afghanistan. So to reach Afghanistan, you need Pakistan. Or use the airspace of other nations besides Pakistan, which is costly & time consuming.

No, We have. Kindly update yourself. Chabahar port plan on fast-track 13th Sept,2011.

No, We don't need Pakistan. We will be operating from Chabahar port and It will be access to India's entry point to Afghanistan, Central Asia and beyond.

China has a border with Pakistan, India doesn't have a border with Afghanistan. There are Uighurs, as well as people of Tibetan heritage that are Pakistani citizens (the people of Gilgit-Baltistan); so unlike India & Afghanistan, there are cultural similarities between Pakistan & China.

Then what ?

India has 4,000 Km border with China also. Culture also same with whole Tibet. So, China-India should become best friends ? India-Nepal has 100% similar culture, So China can't have good relation with Nepal ? I can give 100 such example.

What culture has to do with relation ? Don't you think before posting ? You just posting for the sakeof posting with NO logic. :lol:
 
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what is moderate taliban... Is it democratically elected taliban leaders or talban with female representation in cabinet, or taliban which doesn't impose 10th century rules... what exactly is moderate taliban ?

As many of the above as possible, increasing over time...
 
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India has border with China also. Culture also same. Whole Tibet has similarity with India. So, China-India should become best friends ? India-Nepal has similar culture, So China can't have good relation with Nepal ? I can give 100 such example.

What culture has to do with relation ? Don't you think before posting ? You just posting for the sakeof posting with NO logic. :lol:

We're talking about Afghanistan & India in this case, not Nepal or China's similarities with India.


So strategic ties between 2 countries is possible only if there are cultural similarities??? :rofl:

I was merely responding to the poster who said India-Afghanistan share deep cultural ties, not necessarily talking about strategic ties here.
 
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I may not have asked for evidence, but since the other threads about Mullen and Panetta are filled with regurgitation of evidence requirement, I thought that probably the same rule should apply here ;)
then apply this rule for yourself too ......... because when we ask for evidences you people told us that USA said so that is why its true.....lolz
 
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We're talking about Afghanistan & India in this case, not Nepal or China's similarities with India.




I was merely responding to the poster who said India-Afghanistan share deep cultural ties, not necessarily talking about strategic ties here.

here you go, rather than reading about hemu this would suffice :

Relations between Afghanistan and India date back to Ancient Hindu kingdoms this existed during the time of military conquests of Alexander the Great. After Alexander retreat, in 323 BCE, Chandragupta Maurya, founder of the Mauryan Dynasty, turned his attention to Northwestern India (modern Pakistan), where he defeated the satrapies left in place by Alexander.[4] Northern parts of India (presently Pakistan) has been ruled by Afghan kingdoms in the past, before the Mughal era although these Afghan kingdoms were chiefly identified as Pashtun, contrary to the current definition of the denonym "Afghan" now. India holds Indian Muslims of Pashtun origin, used to identify themselves as Indo-Afghans. Some Pathans of India, including the Rohillas identify their ancestral roots to present day Afghanistan, such as Kabul, while others identify their roots such as Peshewar and considered themselves Afghan before the Durrand agreement. Many prominent Indians identified themselves chiefly as "Afghans" but coPashtun people|nsidered the historical Pashtun definition, not the later citizenship-like definition of Afghans today which included Afghanistan inhabitants and excludes Pashtuns not indegenous to the present borders of Afghanistan. Such are Shah Rukh Khan, Salman Khan, Aamir Khan, Feroz Khan, Dilip Kumar and many more are well known celebrities who are Afghans(Pashtuns) by ethnicity. Even though establishing claims, some Indian Muslims being totally from ancestral regions such Peshawar which is not part of Afghanistan anymore but should be due to the Durand line, would identify as Indo-Afghans, from historical folktales preceding partition of Afghanistan.
The Suri dynasty and the Khilji dynasties were 2 known dynasties from India, that ruled during the middle-ages as Islamic states, and were chiefly identified as Afghan/Pashtun, until over ruled by Mughals. Eventually, the last dynasty was the Durrani empire, which had bitter relationships with the Mughals, ceased to power, after being overrun by the Sikh Empire during an attempt to annex Amritsar, causing the Durrand agreement by the British Empire, leaving Afghanistan in its present state after failed attempts to colonize further into Afghanistan.
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then apply this rule for yourself too ......... because when we ask for evidences you people told us that USA said so that is why its true.....lolz


Are you comparing an anonymous Pakistani internet surfer's credibility to that of USA's military generals :rofl:
 
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A common Pakistani man does not give jack about who comes in power in US, in russia , in India, or in Vatican City, unless it interferes directly with Pakistan and the well being of a Pakistani.

So, no, we are not rooting for a Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan, but we do want the US to get out.

I see that alot of members are confusing common man, state, and influential persons here. All three are different.
 
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We're talking about Afghanistan & India in this case, not Nepal or China's similarities with India.

I was merely responding to the poster who said India-Afghanistan share deep cultural ties, not necessarily talking about strategic ties here.

Yes, we have deep relation with Afghanistan for many decades. I didn't said Culture or ethnic can you show me the post where i said ? You just posted off-topic to make feel better which is not the case nor fact. Also, It's irrelevant between 2 countries relation.
 
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Are you comparing an anonymous Pakistani internet surfer's credibility to that of USA's military generals :rofl:
no i am comparing a an internet surfer to a fool who think that whatever USA said is always true ..............:agree:
you will believe anything whatever they will said against ISI and no doubt in it :no:
keep it up :tup:
 
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I guess people first need to identify who the Taliban is.

My Pakistani friend here in Africa and I were having this discussion about the Taliban. This is his view


The term taliban is actually indicative of the "true way of living" in loose english interpretation. It is those people who believe in conservative Islamic values which western and a certain segment of Islamic people will not identify with.

There is no one large revolutionary group which is called the Taliban. Nato propaganda to create a "them versus us" mindset misleads the average person out of Afganistan to believe that there is one large group called the Taliban. The Afghanis were mostly tribal/clanish people with different leaders. When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, the tribes were spurred on to unite and fight for independence. Thereafter, certain tribal leaders became popular and took rule of most of the country. The problem with the current occupiers (USA etc) is that they have no idea which leaders to turn to to create stability in Afghanistan. Even if Mullah Omar accepts a peace deal, there is no guarantee that other clan leaders will accept a peace deal with the USA (said loosely, the taliban is like a poisonous seven headed serpent and identifying the most poisonous head is the mission which makes the mission somewhat stupid).

Now when it comes to Pakistan, the government and intelligence knows the above. All they do is suggest to the USA that they will speak to Chief X about a peace deal knowing that Chief A,B,C,D etc really give a toss about what Chief X is up to. Just as long as the USA moolla keeps rolling in :D

So in effect, the sentiments of the common Pakistani is immaterial. What is material is that the USA is blowing away tons of money on a really stupid mission in Afghanistan. Solution...create a tribal authority and make it autonomous of the civilian government. In that way there can be joint and peaceful governance

*The above does not reflect my views but the views of a friend. I can't really identify where Afghanistan is on a map :D
 
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so you think these are evidences ? hahhahah pitty on you

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so you think these are evidences ? hahhahah pity on you
keep it up...... i am inspired you have lot of evidences :rofl:
but i have a advice for you go and read what is meaning of evidence and what is the criteria of anything to be evidence ....
 
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