Is common Pakistani Man rooting for Taliban Resurgence in Afghanistan

[MilSpec]

Pakistan will do whatever it can to have a favorable government in power in Afghanistan that doesn't threaten its integrity, just like India everything it can to keep Sheikh Hasina's Awami League in power in Bangladesh. It's simple enough. Pakistan doesn't need hostile neighbors, the rest is fine.

Even it means resurgence of taliban?

 

[King123]

Afghanistan can have all the relations it wants with India. The only requirement Pakistan has is that such cooperation does not extend to illegal/clandestine activities against Pakistan.

If Pakistani leaders had half a brain, they would have forged solid ties with Iran. Afghanistan would fall in line automatically.

India-Afghanistan good relation is very old. Even, We have equally good relation with Iran which also shares border with Pakistan. Add, Russia, Tajikistan and few other central countries. In Short, We have good relation with most of the Pakistan neighbours or close to border area of Pakistan. I don't think, It has anything to do with Pakistan.

The opinion posted by Pakistani here and the general opinion of Afghan people are completely opposite.

 

[53fd]

Even it means resurgence of taliban?

Dude, where have you been? The resurgence of the Taliban is near completion in Afghanistan, with the blessing of the US of course, deliberately evacuating regions to let the Taliban recapture them. It is the US that got senior Taliban leaders' names off the UN blacklist, it is the US that is not targeting the Taliban safehavens in Kunar & Nuristan, it is the US that wants the Taliban to disassociate themselves with Al-Qaeda (& from the Haqqani network), & it is the US that wants to set up Taliban offices in Qatar.

 

[MilSpec]

Dude, where have you been? The resurgence of the Taliban is near completion in Afghanistan, with the blessing of the US of course, deliberately evacuating regions to let the Taliban recapture them. It is the US that got senior Taliban leaders' names off the UN blacklist, it is the US that is not targeting the Taliban safehavens in Kunar & Nuristan, it is the US that wants the Taliban to disassociate themselves with Al-Qaeda (& from the Haqqani network), & it is the US that wants to set up Taliban offices in Qatar.

I dont care about what US wants .... they didn't give a crap when taliban was in power afghanistan is not america's neighbor its your's, my question is will pakistan support a resurgent taliban to establish a favorable afghan government to offset the fears Indian involvement in the region?

 

[Developereo]

Come on, people, we can all read between the lines.

We are not talking about 'having relations'. All countries have friendly relations with others and some relationship just happen to encircle their rivals. The issue here is active support for separatist/terrorist elements.

 

[53fd]

Come on, people, we can all read between the lines.

We are not talking about 'having relations'. All countries have friendly relations with others and some relationship just happen to encircle their rivals. The issue here is active support for separatist/terrorist elements.

No, actually we were talking about whether the common Pakistani Man roots for Taliban Resurgence in Afghanistan (thread title) or not, which I have already answered in my first post:

The common Pakistani doesn't care what happens in Afghanistan (who comes into power), as long as Afghan terrorists do not cross the border & start blowing up places in Pakistan.

Bilal Haider

The ISI/Pakistan Army, Pakistan government, India or the US should not be part of the discussion.

 

[MilSpec]

Come on, people, we can all read between the lines.

We are not talking about 'having relations'. All countries have friendly relations with others and some relationship just happen to encircle their rivals. The issue here is active support for separatist/terrorist elements.

Agreed, my point is if i was an afghan leader , my foreign policy would be to use india as a bargaining chip against pakistan , just as Pakistan uses china against India.. srilanka uses china/pakistan against india, vietnam uses India against china... this game is played by all ... but this entire pakistani mindset where it seems afghans cant make their own decision is what i cant understand. why does pakistan feels that it can dictate afghan foreign policy ?

 

[53fd]

Agreed, my point is if i was an afghan leader , my foreign policy would be to use india as a bargaining chip against pakistan , just as Pakistan uses china against India.. srilanka uses china/pakistan against india, vietnam uses India against china... this game is played by all ... but this entire pakistani mindset where it seems afghans cant make their own decision is what i cant understand. why does pakistan feels that it can dictate afghan foreign policy ?

Pakistan shares a border with China, India doesn't share a border with Afghanistan. India has no way to get to Afghanistan directly through the sea (Iran & Pakistan in Afghanistan's West & South respectively) or through land (without passing through Pakistan). India also has none of the people from the ethnic backgrounds found in Afghanistan in their country, there is no culture similarities between Afghans & Indians. Hence, India really doesn't have any legitimate interests or concerns in Afghanistan.

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Agreed, my point is if i was an afghan leader , my foreign policy would be to use india as a bargaining chip against pakistan , just as Pakistan uses china against India.. srilanka uses china/pakistan against india, vietnam uses India against china... this game is played by all ... but this entire pakistani mindset where it seems afghans cant make their own decision is what i cant understand. why does pakistan feels that it can dictate afghan foreign policy ?

Why does India feel it can dictate Bangladeshi policy, by doing everything in their capability to keep the Awami League in power there?

 

[MilSpec]

Pakistan shares a border with China, India doesn't share a border with Afghanistan. India has no way to get to Afghanistan directly through the sea (Iran & Pakistan in Afghanistan's West & South respectively) or through land. India also has none of the people from the ethnic backgrounds found in Afghanistan, there is no culture similarities between Afghans & Indians. Hence, India really doesn't have any legitimate interests or concerns in Afghanistan.

you are factually wrong, historically people from afghanistan and India have shared common historical cultural heritage. post independence Indo-afghan relations have always been in the good books barring the talban rule. geographical distance doesn't mean india cannot be allies. Russia and India have no commonality but have been allies so has US and pakistan , pakistan and turkey, pakistan and syria... so this geography and ethinic stuff doesn't really count in diplomacy.. diplomacy is not based on similarities but developing relations despite of dissimilarities.

Again i want to post the same question will pakistan support a taliban government in pakistan to offset the alleged Indian relations with Afghanistan ?

 

[53fd]

you are factually wrong, historically people from afghanistan and India have shared common historical cultural heritage.

Dude, what historical cultural heritage? You think of Afghans warriors like Mahmud Ghaznavi (or the other Aryan 'invaders' [that's how you think of them]) as foreigners, who destroyed ancient India & its heritage, & you think Islam that they brought to the region was 'foreign' & not 'Indian'. These people even managed to convert many Hindus in India to Muslims, & most Indians despise them for that, for 'destroying their heritage' (in North India especially). You have no cultural connections with Afghans, they are completely foreign to you. They don't even share much of the history that the Indian subcontinent did.

 

[MilSpec]

Dude, what historical cultural heritage? You think of Afghans warriors like Mahmud Ghaznavi (or the other Aryan 'invaders' [that's how you think of them]) as foreigners, who destroyed ancient India & its heritage, & you think Islam that they brought to the region was 'foreign' & not 'Indian'. These people even managed to convert many Hindus in India to Muslims, & most Indians despise them for that, for 'destroying their heritage' (in North India especially). You have no cultural connections with Afghans, they are completely foreign to you.

you might want to read about hemchandra vikramaditya, who led afghan troops against the mughals and how traditionally hindus viewed the afghans ,

read Smith, Vincent Arthur (1907). History of India: From Sixth century B.C to Mohammedan Conquest

but comming back to the topic , no one seems to be replying the this question , will pakistan support a taliban government in pakistan to offset the alleged Indian relations with Afghanistan ?


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[Doctor09]

Not proven ... Please show the evidence ..

oh when it comes to you, you ask for evidences BUTwhen you put allegation against ISI then why you dont show us evidences ? you dont have any proof against ISI but you people and your beloved USA always keep crying .........
its funny

 

[King123]

Pakistan shares a border with China, India doesn't share a border with Afghanistan. India has no way to get to Afghanistan directly through the sea (Iran & Pakistan in Afghanistan's West & South respectively) or through land (without passing through Pakistan). India also has none of the people from the ethnic backgrounds found in Afghanistan in their country, there is no culture similarities between Afghans & Indians. Hence, India really doesn't have any legitimate interests or concerns in Afghanistan.

OMG. What a wrong logic.

We have alternative route from Iran. We have collaboration for Chabbar Port (Iran), Next to Pakistan. So, We don't need Pakistan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabahar

What Ethnic backgrounds has to do with good relation ? Very Funny. we don't have ethnic relation with Japan or US or Israel or France or UK or Iran or most of the countries. What Pakistan has ethnic relation with China ? First think before posting.

We have legitimate interests or concerns in Afghanistan. By your same logic, China don't have any legitimate interests or concerns in Pakistan.

 

[Developereo]

Can I just short-circuit this debate about ethnic/cultural ties? There is NO requirement that there should be common racial, ethnic or cultural ties. Afghanistan can become BFF with Peru if they want.

On the issue of Taliban, they were the means available at the time to achieve Pakistan's objectives to keep India at bay in Afghanistan. Now, I don't think most Pakistanis would want an extremist gun culture next door -- there is too much chance of spillover. However, if the Taliban moderated their views and became more mainstream, that would probably be the best option for Pakistan.

 

[53fd]

What a wrong logic.

We have alternative route from Iran. We have collaboration for Chabbar Port (Iran), Next to Pakistan. So, We don't need Pakistan.

What Ethnic backgrounds has to do with good relation ? Very Funny. we don't have ethnic relation with Japan or US or Israel or France or UK or Iran or most of the countries. What Pakistan has ethnic relation with China ? First think before posting.

We have legitimate interests or concerns in Afghanistan.

By your logic, China don't have any legitimate interests or concerns in Pakistan.

You don't have collaboration from Iran to extend 'operations' into Afghanistan. So to reach Afghanistan, you need Pakistan. Or use the airspace of other nations besides Pakistan, which is costly & time consuming.

China has a border with Pakistan, India doesn't have a border with Afghanistan. There are Uighurs, as well as people of Tibetan heritage that are Pakistani citizens (the people of Gilgit-Baltistan); so unlike India & Afghanistan, there are cultural similarities between Pakistan & China.