Is China becoming an Interventionist?

[Lux de Veritas]

The appeal of Christianity has to do with dominant Western media.

Many people around the world, including Chinese, love Western culture and adopt it -- especially younger people.

Christianity is one aspect of 'acting white and Western'..

There is some truth in your comment.

As I have said, Chinese have preference for superior culture. Right now, the west are able to prove themselves intellectually and humanistically.

The day west become a shit hole, the appeal of Christianity will reduce.

It just seems your desire for China to convert to Christianity really shallow and superficial. I think you need to read more on why the West has become so successful. One example is the separation from religion and the state. Your desire for Chinese to convert for material gain seems odd and not what Christianity is about and definitely not a reason to convert to a religion.

I do not desire anyone to convert to Christianity and I am reading a lot of Buddhist scriptures. FYI.

The Buddhism is alive in me, and I was educated in Buddhist missionary school. The Singaporean Chinese are Atheist, Buddhist, Taoist and Christian and no one bothers. We married one another and we do not have mad apostasy capita punishment law.

I do not have problem in going to Buddhist school and reading scriptures in class. Some tribe will claim DISCRIMINATION.

 

[powastick]

To me religion is an outdated tool for social engineering.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The appeal of Christianity has to do with dominant Western media.

Many people around the world, including Chinese, love Western culture and adopt it -- especially younger people.

Christianity is one aspect of 'acting white and Western'..

Some young people just got bored.

But as long as the Christianity has been integrated with the Chinese culture, it will never become the mainstream religion in China.

 

[ozzy22]

There is some truth in your comment.

As I have said, Chinese have preference for superior culture. Right now, the west are able to prove themselves intellectually and humanistically.

The day west become a shit hole, the appeal of Christianity will reduce.



I do not desire anyone to convert to Christianity and I am reading a lot of Buddhist scriptures. FYI.

The Buddhism is alive in me, and I was educated in Buddhist missionary school. The Singaporean Chinese are Atheist, Buddhist, Taoist and Christian and no one bothers. We married one another and we do not have mad apostasy capita punishment law.

I do not have problem in going to Buddhist school and reading scriptures in class. Some tribe will claim DISCRIMINATION.

I have no desire to convert anyone. I like the diversity the world has it makes it a more interesting place and I’m not sure what you mean by tribe. I'm guessing it's implying the Malay people if so I don’t really know the internal politics of Singapore. Anyways I'm off as I should be revising.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

To me religion is an outdated tool for social engineering.

We need to spend more time on the education for the science.

 

[alaungphaya]

To me religion is an outdated tool for social engineering.

I used to think this but people need a vehicle to promote morality and spirituality. Religion is the best vehicle. Better than nationalism or political ideologues.

Go white man land and see the Chinese there even hate China and they have no problem in loyalty towards their host. They day when white man culture decay and if some other culture emerge to produce far better advancement, Chinese will quickly change side.

That's fair enough but what I don't get are Chinese girls in the West who refuse to sleep with Chinese. I just don't get that. How can people discriminate against their own?

 

[William Hung]

Interesting discussion on religion. I wonder if one's religion would influence one's outlook on interventionism.

I used to think this but people need a vehicle to promote morality and spirituality. Religion is the best vehicle. Better than nationalism or political ideologues.

@alaungphaya, I'm interested to know your opinion on what one of the article I quoted said about China directly intervening in Myanmar's internal politics through training and funding certain group. Is there any other methods that China have used to interfer or influence Myanmar's internal politics.

What is the general Burmese perception on this and does it influence how the average Burmese perceive China? if so, how?

I'm interested to know this. Gotta head out now, but I'll check back on your comments.

 

[Beast]

Interesting discussion on religion. I wonder if one's religion would influence one's outlook on interventionism.



@alaungphaya, I'm interested to know your opinion on what one of the article I quoted said about China directly intervening in Myanmar's internal politics through training and funding certain group. Is there any other methods that China have used to interfer or influence Myanmar's internal politics.

What is the general Burmese perception on this and does it influence how the average Burmese perceive China? if so, how?

I'm interested to know this. Gotta head out now, but I'll check back on your comments.

Is the report accurate? I have serious reservation over those report authencity. There are many report regarding China which fills with plenty of inaccuracy. China support certain group in Myanmar? That's new to me.

 

[Ruisheng]

Obvious this guy is hiding something. I suspect he maybe a CIA sponsor forumer.

Maybe, maybe not. But one thing I'm sure. He don't have enough logic to talk for now.

Like it or not China will be Christianized to a large extend.

China on course to become 'world's most Christian nation' within 15 years - Telegraph

Majority of Christian will think differently than most PDF PRC. The conflict with Sunni world can only increase as Sunni hate Christian.

Looks like telegraph is their most important info resource.

I used to think this but people need a vehicle to promote morality and spirituality. Religion is the best vehicle. Better than nationalism or political ideologues.



That's fair enough but what I don't get are Chinese girls in the West who refuse to sleep with Chinese. I just don't get that. How can people discriminate against their own?

A lot of people in this world only serve the riches. When your homeland is under invasion, there is a large chance that the enemy will try to induce someone to betray and serve them. Considering the large population of China, this kind of people will be many.

 

[alaungphaya]

Interesting discussion on religion. I wonder if one's religion would influence one's outlook on interventionism.



@alaungphaya, I'm interested to know your opinion on what one of the article I quoted said about China directly intervening in Myanmar's internal politics through training and funding certain group. Is there any other methods that China have used to interfer or influence Myanmar's internal politics.

What is the general Burmese perception on this and does it influence how the average Burmese perceive China? if so, how?

I'm interested to know this. Gotta head out now, but I'll check back on your comments.

I will address China directly rather than with Chinese people in general but the general public don't really care all that much about the Wa. Especially in Yangon. The Wa are a far away people in a far away land even though they are in our country. They have always been a particularly wild bunch (some of them actually used to be cannibals as recently as the 70's). The UWSA are not a major concern nor are the Kokang. They used to be communists and China used to fund them but now they grow drugs in the jungle and use the money to open night clubs in Yangon. No harm there. They are ethnically Chinese so they will always be friendly towards the Chinese and China will always help them if it serves their interests. Nothing special. What does concern me is the way China is discretely tolerant of the Kachin Independence Army. Their arms and materiel are Chinese made no doubt bought by their agents on the Chinese side of the border. It irks us that China sometimes turns a blind eye to their activities on their side of the border and perhaps should do more to help our fight against the rebels.

In my own opinion, I look at historical precedence. The peoples on the China-Myanmar border have traditionally been on the border figuratively between Chinese and Burmese culture. Our control over them has never been absolute and they cross often between the borders of Myanmar and Yunnan. They, the Kachin, Wa, Palaung, Kokang etc. are essentially Yunnanese so there will always be a link. Historically, Beijing, whether under the Song, Ming, Manchurian Qing or communists, have always seen these people as loyal babarians who can be manipulated to keep the Burmese under check. The last time we fought a war 250 years ago, it was a scramble to recruit these various people to our respective sides.

In the modern day, however, the concern with China is more about economic dependence rather than politicking with the ethnics. I don't think what they are doing is proper interventionism.

Is the report accurate? I have serious reservation over those report authencity. There are many report regarding China which fills with plenty of inaccuracy. China support certain group in Myanmar? That's new to me.

The CCP used to directly fund the Wa when they made up the bulk of communist insurgents in the 50's and 60's.

@JamieOng.Burma @Aung Zaya what do you guys think?

 

[Beast]

I will address China directly rather than with Chinese people in general but the general public don't really care all that much about the Wa. Especially in Yangon. The Wa are a far away people in a far away land even though they are in our country. They have always been a particularly wild bunch (some of them actually used to be cannibals as recently as the 70's). The UWSA are not a major concern nor are the Kokang. They used to be communists and China used to fund them but now they grow drugs in the jungle and use the money to open night clubs in Yangon. No harm there. They are ethnically Chinese so they will always be friendly towards the Chinese and China will always help them if it serves their interests. Nothing special. What does concern me is the way China is discretely tolerant of the Kachin Independence Army. Their arms and materiel are Chinese made no doubt bought by their agents on the Chinese side of the border. It irks us that China sometimes turns a blind eye to their activities on their side of the border and perhaps should do more to help our fight against the rebels.

In my own opinion, I look at historical precedence. The peoples on the China-Myanmar border have traditionally been on the border figuratively between Chinese and Burmese culture. Our control over them has never been absolute and they cross often between the borders of Myanmar and Yunnan. They, the Kachin, Wa, Palaung, Kokang etc. are essentially Yunnanese so there will always be a link. Historically, Beijing, whether under the Song, Ming, Manchurian Qing or communists, have always seen these people as loyal babarians who can be manipulated to keep the Burmese under check. The last time we fought a war 250 years ago, it was a scramble to recruit these various people to our respective sides.

In the modern day, however, the concern with China is more about economic dependence rather than politicking with the ethnics. I don't think what they are doing is proper interventionism.



The CCP used to directly fund the Wa when they made up the bulk of communist insurgents in the 50's and 60's.

yes but i do not think now, CCP stop funding them. Most of their fund are thru drug trade. And the arms can get thru third party. ISIS army also used Chinese arms like FN-6 but does that mean Chinese fund ISIS?

 

[fallstuff]

Sooner or later, PRC is going to become more imperialistic like it or not. She may soon clash with Sunni Islam. Sunni Islam itself is imperialistic but they are only capable of asymmetrical warfare rather than winning the war by sending in divisions.

Recently Iraq FM Ibrahim Jafari shout on the roof top that China is willing to airstrike ISIS, but fall short of sending boots on the ground. The article from RT then continued that China is doing so to protect her oil investment in Iraq.

China offers military help to Iraq to defeat ISIS – report — RT News

OMG, this is a classic case of USA style stealth imperialism.

Meanwhile ISIS is a Sunni imperialism project and vanguard of Sunni evangelism. The mainstream Sunni pretends that "ISIS is not Islam" but most are ecstastic that ISIS coming strength to strength taking Shia land from Iraq and Syria.

The day China bomb ISIS, Sunni will not cheers that China kills "NON MUSLIM terrorst". Sunni will hate and declare Jihad against China.

This thread has nothing to do with Islam.

People as stupid as you are should not be allowed to breed !!

 

[alaungphaya]

yes but i do not think now, CCP stop funding them. Most of their fund are thru drug trade. And the arms can get thru third party. ISIS army also used Chinese arms like FN-6 but does that mean Chinese fund ISIS?

I don't think the CCP funds them directly anymore but there is probably a momentum to these relationships. I mean there is probably still contact. But for me, the UWSA are irrelevant.

Interesting discussion on religion. I wonder if one's religion would influence one's outlook on interventionism.



@alaungphaya, I'm interested to know your opinion on what one of the article I quoted said about China directly intervening in Myanmar's internal politics through training and funding certain group. Is there any other methods that China have used to interfer or influence Myanmar's internal politics.

What is the general Burmese perception on this and does it influence how the average Burmese perceive China? if so, how?

I'm interested to know this. Gotta head out now, but I'll check back on your comments.

I forgot to add that the Wa are so wild that even the British left them alone.

 

[dichoi]

Interesting discussion on religion. I wonder if one's religion would influence one's outlook on interventionism.



@alaungphaya, I'm interested to know your opinion on what one of the article I quoted said about China directly intervening in Myanmar's internal politics through training and funding certain group. Is there any other methods that China have used to interfer or influence Myanmar's internal politics.

What is the general Burmese perception on this and does it influence how the average Burmese perceive China? if so, how?

I'm interested to know this. Gotta head out now, but I'll check back on your comments.

this is in Myanma.

 

[Okemos]

I think people use personal attacks against posters that they disagree with are really low. I hope they are older than 20 years old, lol, otherwise, they need go back to school.

Does it really matter who that person is as long as he makes a point? Otherwise, we are all tainted by our backgrounds and we have no grounds to accuse anyone of their bias or prejudices.

I have been called by some Chinese members here as animals and saw I was referred to by them as "it' in Chinese. lol when I accessed this site without log-in. They were all blocked by me. Why should I care who they are if those Chinese don't even have basic respect for other people for having different opinions? One guy even guessed that I am from Taiwan, and I guess to them, all mainland Chinese are robots marching along under the glorious banners upheld by the almighty CCP showing the world how perfect the CCP is? Remember, criticism is what drives a country forward, not incessant sugar coated praises that just poison you into slumber, and then get fed to the wolf before too late, lol.