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Are you the kind of consumer who insists on owning the best product available? Are you willing -- put bluntly -- to pay up for quality? Boeing (NYSE: BA) hopes you are. Because if you're not ... then Boeing could be in trouble.

In a pair of news items released earlier this week, the nations of China and Russia took direct aim at Boeing's biggest markets, with China targeting the firm's lucrative defense franchise, while Russia took aim at the firm's near-duopoly (with EADS) in the market for international commercial aircraft. Let's take these threats in order.

How much does that cost?
According to Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Lockheed Martin's (NYSE: LMT) F-35 Lightning II fighter jet could very well be the "last manned fighter" jet the U.S. ever builds. (The future, you see, belongs to unmanned aerial vehicles.) But at a global price tag that some analysts project could top a trillion dollars over the program's lifetime, the F-35 is also undeniably the most expensive fighter program ever. The fear, therefore, is that developing nations looking to upgrade their Cold War-era rides may look at the plane's price tag and decide they're locked out of the luxury market and will begin looking for alternatives.

Enter China. Enter rock-bottom pricing.

No reasonable offer refused
Over at the Farnborough International Airshow in England, China showcased its new JF-17 fighter jet this week as an "econobox" alternative to Lockheed's aerial Cadillac. The JF-17 may not carry all the bells and whistles of a full-fledged F-35 superfighter (or it may, seeing as the Chinese apparently stole most of the F-35 specs last year), but with a sticker price of just $15 million, the plane easily has the F-35 fighter beat on affordability.

Fact is, if the $8.6 billion Canada just laid down for a few dozen F-35s is any indication of what Lockheed is charging its international customers (roughly $132 million apiece), the JF-17 will easily beat the F-35's asking price in China's targeted defense markets of Sri Lanka, Sudan, and Venezuela (and countries even less friendly to the U.S., such as Iran and North Korea). More important to Boeing, the JF-17 could eat into Boeing's own sales in wealthier, more advanced nations as well.

You see, as Adm. Mullen's pronouncement sounded the death knell to Boeing's hopes of building fifth-generation fighter jets in future decades, the company has made a strategic shift toward emphasizing the cost-effectiveness of its own fourth-generation fighters such as the F-18 in markets such as Brazil and Pakistan -- markets historically open to buying weapons systems not made in the USA. Indeed, Pakistani press sources are already reporting about the country's interest in buying the JF-17 to replace some of its older Chinese F-7 fighters.

As China gains traction is smaller markets, it's not just Lockheed that could find its defense markets shrink. Crumbs falling from Lockheed's table will increasingly elude makers of sub-fifth-gen aircraft such as Goldman Sachs' (NYSE: GS) Onex, L-3 Communications (NYSE: LLL), and Boeing.

Of course, "defense" is just one part of the Boeing equation. Even if opportunities contract in the market for weaponized aircraft, the company still has its duopoly position in the commercial market to fall back on, right?

Right -- but perhaps not forever.

The best defense is good ... commercial
No sooner had the JF-17 flown onto Boeing's competitive scene then another bit of bad news for Boeing touched down en route from Russia: "Superjet International" is gaining traction. Over in England, Russian-Italian (majority-owned by Sukhoi, with Finmeccanica owning 25% and providing marketing muscle to the JV) SI just inked a $900 million deal to sell 30 Superjet 100s to Bermuda-based airplane-lessor "Pearl," with an option to buy 15 more aircraft. This comes on top of a 10-plane order from Gazpromavia, 30 additional orders earlier this week, and a monster 50-plane deal from Malaysia's Crecom to purchase MC-21 passenger planes from the firm.

Granted, Superjet's success poses a more direct threat to other up-and-coming regional jet makers such as Brazil's Embraer (NYSE: ERJ), Canada's Bombardier, and the new jets being designed in Japan and China, as well as smaller, business jet makers such as Textron (NYSE: TXT) and General Dynamics (NYSE: GD). But the surprising sales success at Superjet does pose a long-term threat to Boeing. For one thing, the Superjet's near-100-passenger capacity makes it a viable alternative to Boeing's larger 737 series of aircraft (in particular, the 737-600). And at an apparent price of just $30 million apiece, the Superjet undercuts Boeing's list prices on the 737-600 by nearly 50%.

Foolish takeaway
So is this a reason to sell Boeing? No, or at least, not yet. For the time being, most of the regional jet makers -- Superjet included -- are playing in a sandbox that Boeing has outgrown. They pose no immediate threat to the company's profits.

That said, Foolish investors would be ill-advised to ignore the longer-term threat. Once Superjet gains a toehold in the "regionals" market -- as it's now poised to do -- Superjet will be in a position to make the next logical leap to building longer-haul aircraft, selling them internationally, and stealing share from Boeing (and Airbus.)
 
what type of thread is this? Even fools know that china is threat to rest of world not just in Aviation Industry but in all fields .
 
Beyond a shadow of doubt, China has cemented her position among top economies and now focus is expanded to military domain where China is penetrating at an alarming pace. JFT is doing exactly what it was meant to do, i.e to penetrate the MAIN STREAM market where most profits are grabbed instead of making the super duper which only a handful are able to buy.
 
Jf17 needs way more improvement guys only in anionics that it and two more hard points and stronger engine
 
what type of thread is this? Even fools know that china is threat to rest of world not just in Aviation Industry but in all fields .

Funny thing is whatever China does...the West labels it as a threat.

If China rolled out a $35 laptop then the West will label it as a threat to Dell , HP, Gateway etc.....now India rolled out a $35 laptop but the West never labeled it as a threat to Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony etc etc.

India unveils world's cheapest laptop
India unveils world's cheapest laptop | World news | The Guardian
 
i dont agree with the topic , because countries interested in jf 17 just due to cost factor .
I mean if a nation can afford Lockheed Martin/Dassult/MIG/Sukohi will never go for Chinese product.
 
No doubt with growing economy, indigenous efforts in Aircraft building and roll out of their own engine soon China is a threat to the world aviation. However my thought is that it will take atleast a decade to cement itself as the leader since in other areas like avionics and advanced technologies like stealth etc China is somewhat behind the west, which they eventually will substitute but not immediately.
 
what is the point in buying a 15 million aircraft (just because its cheep) when the aircraft has more chances of being shot down by a f18......

say country a and country b are enemies.....if country a buys a jf17,,,,,just because its cheap and country b buys f18 because its more advanced? in a war who do you expect to win?....commercial planes-i would agree .....but in fighter jets untill china catches up with USA ,then it still not be a threat to USA s defence market......do you expect australia to buy jf17 instead of F35?
 
different countries have different 'threat perceptions'. most african/asian (bar india) countries where the JFT will be promoted will not have a F-35 or a SU-30MK near its airspace because these countries cannot 'afford' it and nor can their enemies. hence the JFT a low cost 3.5 generation a/c.

developed countries will not be a target market for the JFT.

china will be a strong competitor to russia in the afro-asian regions.
 
No doubt with growing economy, indigenous efforts in Aircraft building and roll out of their own engine soon China is a threat to the world aviation. However my thought is that it will take atleast a decade to cement itself as the leader since in other areas like avionics and advanced technologies like stealth etc China is somewhat behind the west, which they eventually will substitute but not immediately.

According to your logic then India is also a THREAT to the world because her economy is growing and she is also pouring lots of capital into cranking out "indigenous" stuff.
 
China might be a threat to the russian aviation industry since the clients of both countries are mostly poor nations, china can offer a greater deal in an even lower price. However, i don't see china as a equal player in aviation as the west in the next twenty years.
 
then just get the j-10 and save millions in development

JF-17 first batch (around 50) would be the replacment of A-5 for ground Support.

JF-17 second batch with AESA radar and western weapons (around 150) would be the replacement of F-7's. Which will reduce the gaps of improvements.

J-10B is that PAF wants but its still under development for the replacment of Mirages.

Not only that JF-17 is join venture that really boosted Pakistan Air Craft Manufacturing capabilities.
 
china is quantity over quality. I am also surprised when China does not reveal the real/true capabilities of the weapons that she develops. Their is always a veil of secrecy over china 's weapons. If China actually produces weapons comparable to west why not reveal its capabilities as the weapons come at a cheap price and many more countries will be interested in buying them over the expensive western equipment.
Only countries that buy chinese weapons are the counries which have little cash .eg Pakistan,Algeria,other African countries etc .Why does countries like UAEetc who have money never go chinese weapons .I think it is because they cannot match the west capabilities and reliability.
 

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