Is Army overstepping ?

[RazPaK]

The correct way to stop drones from flying in would be to exert diplomatic pressure. Remember, Pakistan cut off supplies to US and within days drone attacks ceased.

 

[Awesome]

The correct way to stop drones from flying in would be to exert diplomatic pressure. Remember, Pakistan cut off supplies to US and within days drone attacks ceased.

You remember when Pakistan said we won't let another drone strike happen? Within one hour the drone strike happened.

When Kayani issues his threats people are just concerned about the oxygen he wasted issuing it. We'll believe it when you do something concrete.

 

[JonAsad]

the drone strikes stopped when we had that mofu killer raymand davis in custody- take some amrikan diplomat in custody every now and then- send them a message in the language they understand-

 

[RazPaK]

You remember when Pakistan said we won't let another drone strike happen? Within one hour the drone strike happened.

When Kayani issues his threats people are just concerned about the oxygen he wasted issuing it. We'll believe it when you do something concrete.

Kiyani is on a leash held by Ghardari. It's hardly fair to blame the military.

 

[regular]

Hi,

Where Kiyani has failed pakistan is that he has not spoken up enough for pakistan and defended it in the world media as strongly as the american generals have----that makes him a totally disgusting human being---alongwith his pal Gen Pasha---. These cowards should have spoken up stronger in favour of pakistan as thye american generals did for the U S.

We are all shocked at Gen Kiyani's behaviour---history will judge him very poorly----this man has no visible leading character traits in him----. He knows very well the relationship the millitary has in restraining the civilian govt from going totally corrupt----he seems to a part and package of the corruption of pak govt as well---. This man is not predictable---and that is not good.

Sir, ure argumaets have a clear weightage but still we have to maintain confidence in our top brass. We sholdn't underestimate their strategy and loyality with our nation. Plus we shold keep our trust in Allah SBWT that he will not leave us alone in any scenarios even our Army fails by any way. Our last hope shold be his God almighty Allah sbwt, so I guess we don't need to criticize anybody. Cuz we are all in the same boat.Iam confident that Allah SBWT will never fail us as long as we are good and sincere to his almighty..

 

[Major Sam]

I don't know about you, but I was too busy cheering on the Americans and echoing our leader's statement "You have our unstinted support".

But where the action should have remained on Al Qaeda, we decided to rope in Taliban as well... Why?

I would much rather be a kid as I remember Iqbal's words



I mean is this the attitude our elders want us to grow into? I mean I can't imagine ever teaching my kid "When a big bad bully comes, back off and give him your lunch money, be a smart coward, son, not a fool brave"

I mean this America with its Divine 4 planes and one submarine that can take out the Pakistan military, didn't become what it is by cowering from its enemies. What was America when it decided to nuke Japan? If our elders were in charge of America back then Pearl Harbor ke baad toh sab ki pant gheeli hojati.

Self-defence. It's basic. I'm not asking to support AQ, attack America, its a good country, I don't want war with it, its got good people. But what do you do when its people want to attack you anyway? I mean if a saintly person goes nuts and starts slapping you like crazy what would you say? Aha kya maza araha hai chapairein khanay ka.

I'm not asking for anything big. I'm asking for Kayani to do his job because he can get the sun and the moon for us but if he doesn't defend Pakistan then hes zero.

my thinking is totally same like u

 

[VelocuR]

Not blame Army, we can blame only us because....on the following reasons:

1) Government is permanently weak, no honest people
2) People are easily sold-out and money seekers for US's favor from our 180 million population (i.e Afridi case, OBL neighbors, medias, many others)-US have dollars to buy them
3) Navy officers sympathy for AQ (i.e Mehran Attack) and same Airforces
4) Drones was permitted by our government inside Pakistan
5) Our medias are twisted and vagues, biggest problems
6) Our judges on the running away for fear of extremists

Pakistan definitely collapse systems, our real enemy is ourselves inside Pakistan, not India, US, and others.

 

[MastanKhan]

Asim,

Our first job is to avoid the bully at all costs---let us not give it a reason to be in our neighbourhood----. Secondly---we need to assess whom we are supporting----. Is pakistan on the priority list---does pakistan come first----or does ummah comes first----or do all the hoodlums of the muslim world come first and pakistan is left in the last place to be defended----.

The problem is that pakistanis have NO RESPECT FOR THEIR MOTHERLAND PAKISTAN----if they loved their country as much as they claim to----they would have found ways to take out the menace of al qaeda rather sooner than later----instead of rejoicing at the TWIN TOWER debacle and claiming it to be an inside job---they would have found ways to confront the al qaeda.

But then think about it---could it be possible to do otherwise----because our history tells us that we are not very bright---we are not very intelligent---we cannot see into the future----we are very short sighted----we have a very narrow vision---you know why----because in this region we did a similiar thing some 750 years ago----.

We ( some of our forefathers )killed the traders of one G Khan---and then we killed the emmissary of G Khan who came to seek justice for the dead----and we made fun and told them of our prowess---you know what happened at that time----.

The king could have used common sense and not ordered the killings----and if he had---then should have profusely apologized and paid retribution----but no----the thick headed ruled the day-----so how many million muslims died due to a futile action of an arropgant monarch----a whole civilization was wiped off the map of this world----.

You know-----the fruit does not fall too far off the tree----how could we be any different than our fore bearers---only those who want to understand and learn from their mistakes make the choice---.

so---next time---when the bully is not bothering you---don't go to his house and kill his kith and kin---.

The palestinians who have the most gripe with the united states---the PLO---and its opponent----if they have after all these horrifying thing happen to them---have never done attacks on mainland usa why would anyone else do that----would it be to jeopardize the cause of the palestinians----.

that is whatr it has come out to be----a friend of palestine would not attack any targets in the united states---but those who want to damage the position of palestine in usa will do that---so that is the bottomline---.

 

[bubble123]

kiyani should shoot down drones if he says so or else shouldn't bother wasting his breath. otherwise his credibility will end up at the same level as that of our government.

 

[Khan_patriot]

Simply put now its either them or us so lets just trust Allah and take a stand once and for all if we die we'll be shaheeds therwise we will be ghazis.......

 

[Tameem]

Asim,

Our first job is to avoid the bully at all costs---let us not give it a reason to be in our neighbourhood----. Secondly---we need to assess whom we are supporting----. Is pakistan on the priority list---does pakistan come first----or does ummah comes first----or do all the hoodlums of the muslim world come first and pakistan is left in the last place to be defended----.

Ummah is in our genes...weather we like it or not but it remains a fact for centuries.
Secondly, 'Pakistanis' are not an 'indigenous race' i.e. Russians, Turks, Irani, Arabs........its an Ummah in itself, don't you even know it after 65 years?

Chin-o-Arab Hamara, Hindustan Hamara
Muslim Hain Hum Watan Hay Sara Jahan Hamara!

The basic characteristics in our part of the world is people recognise themselves as Muslim first than anything else!!! If we take out ummah from our philosphy than their is no needs for Pakistan in itself...A secular India is quite clearly serves our purpose!!

The problem is that pakistanis have NO RESPECT FOR THEIR MOTHERLAND PAKISTAN----if they loved their country as much as they claim to----they would have found ways to take out the menace of al qaeda rather sooner than later----instead of rejoicing at the TWIN TOWER debacle and claiming it to be an inside job---they would have found ways to confront the al qaeda.

Al Qaeda is Bad no doubt about it, but the reasons in the backdrop of it is created in the first place are equally bad i.e., Imperialist approach of the Western World towards Muslims. Twin Tower debacle didn't rejoice us but the fact that an arrogant empire eventully cuts what it bows in the Muslim world thoroughout past 100 years is!!

But then think about it---could it be possible to do otherwise----because our history tells us that we are not very bright---we are not very intelligent---we cannot see into the future----we are very short sighted----we have a very narrow vision---you know why----because in this region we did a similiar thing some 750 years ago----.

We ( some of our forefathers )killed the traders of one G Khan---and then we killed the emmissary of G Khan who came to seek justice for the dead----and we made fun and told them of our prowess---you know what happened at that time----.

The king could have used common sense and not ordered the killings----and if he had---then should have profusely apologized and paid retribution----but no----the thick headed ruled the day-----so how many million muslims died due to a futile action of an arropgant monarch----a whole civilization was wiped off the map of this world----.

Mastan! Just make your equation right...750 years ago, Muslim world is spreaded like an empire in which "Khawarzam" is a very big country...just like todays "America" in Western Empire.....G. Khan at that time is only the chieftan of nomade people of west asia just like "Mullah Omar" of today's Taliban....nothing else.

Secondly, Yes may be our forefathers are being arrogant who kills G Khan emmissary unnecessarily, Yes they failed as a ruler...but remember "Islam" never failed in that period as well and shows a great resilience in in itself and within next 200 years...the whole of Central Asia becomes Muslims...don't you remember. So...basically our allegiance and sympathies are with Islam and Ummah not with geographical Land or with rulers!!!!!

You know-----the fruit does not fall too far off the tree----how could we be any different than our fore bearers---only those who want to understand and learn from their mistakes make the choice---.

The above example clearly guides us that Our Choice should be wiht Islam and Ummah which will prevails eventually.....not with geography or with rulers!!!

so---next time---when the bully is not bothering you---don't go to his house and kill his kith and kin---.

Tell it to your Arrogant Empire...!! We are here form Thousands of years and will remains forever...the sooner It better allingn its philisophy around this fact...it will be better for itself is!!

The palestinians who have the most gripe with the united states---the PLO---and its opponent----if they have after all these horrifying thing happen to them---have never done attacks on mainland usa why would anyone else do that----would it be to jeopardize the cause of the palestinians----.

that is whatr it has come out to be----a friend of palestine would not attack any targets in the united states---but those who want to damage the position of palestine in usa will do that---so that is the bottomline---.

Whatever you rants but the fact widely acknowledge throught the world is that...America is no longer the judge in that conflict and is loosing here as well for its unwised policies...within past 20 years USA becomes a part of the problem in this middle east equation...What a pitty!!

 

[VelocuR]

Ummah is in our genes...weather we like it or not but it remains a fact for centuries.
Secondly, 'Pakistanis' are not an 'indigenous race' i.e. Russians, Turks, Irani, Arabs........its an Ummah in itself, don't you even know it after 65 years?

Chin-o-Arab Hamara, Hindustan Hamara
Muslim Hain Hum Watan Hay Sara Jahan Hamara!

The basic characteristics in our part of the world is people recognise themselves as Muslim first than anything else!!! If we take out ummah from our philosphy than their is no needs for Pakistan in itself...A secular India is quite clearly serves our purpose!!



Al Qaeda is Bad no doubt about it, but the reasons in the backdrop of it is created in the first place are equally bad i.e., Imperialist approach of the Western World towards Muslims. Twin Tower debacle didn't rejoice us but the fact that an arrogant empire eventully cuts what it bows in the Muslim world thoroughout past 100 years is!!



Mastan! Just make your equation right...750 years ago, Muslim world is spreaded like an empire in which "Khawarzam" is a very big country...just like todays "America" in Western Empire.....G. Khan at that time is only the chieftan of nomade people of west asia just like "Mullah Omar" of today's Taliban....nothing else.

Secondly, Yes may be our forefathers are being arrogant who kills G Khan emmissary unnecessarily, Yes they failed as a ruler...but remember "Islam" never failed in that period as well and shows a great resilience in in itself and within next 200 years...the whole of Central Asia becomes Muslims...don't you remember. So...basically our allegiance and sympathies are with Islam and Ummah not with geographical Land or with rulers!!!!!



The above example clearly guides us that Our Choice should be wiht Islam and Ummah which will prevails eventually.....not with geography or with rulers!!!



Tell it to your Arrogant Empire...!! We are here form Thousands of years and will remains forever...the sooner It better allingn its philisophy around this fact...it will be better for itself is!!




Whatever you rants but the fact widely acknowledge throught the world is that...America is no longer the judge in that conflict and is loosing here as well for its unwised policies...within past 20 years USA becomes a part of the problem in this middle east equation...What a pitty!!

So can you please tell me what happened in Pakistan, million Muslims killed each other for what reasons? How many terrorists alive in Pakistan who willing to degrade Pakistan's reputations?

 

[VCheng]

You remember when Pakistan said we won't let another drone strike happen? Within one hour the drone strike happened.

When Kayani issues his threats people are just concerned about the oxygen he wasted issuing it. We'll believe it when you do something concrete.

Pakistan's brass does exactly what serves it best: Tigers for the people at home, pet cats for their masters abroad.

 

[Awesome]

Pakistan's brass does exactly what serves it best: Tigers for the people at home, pet cats for their masters abroad.

I don't like to give generalized statements. This army has done a lot for Pakistan in these 10 years. Given lives, fought against natural disasters, stood in harms way for a very thankless world, it deserves a lot of respect.

My critique is for its khota sikka, Gen Kayani alone. He needs to step up his game or step down for the next guy to come in.

 

[VCheng]

I don't like to give generalized statements. This army has done a lot for Pakistan in these 10 years. Given lives, fought against natural disasters, stood in harms way for a very thankless world, it deserves a lot of respect.

My critique is for its khota sikka, Gen Kayani alone. He needs to step up his game or step down for the next guy to come in.

I agree that the Army has done some good, but it is unfair to single out Gen Kayani, for he is merely a product of the whole enterprise, with a series of similar characters waiting in line.