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Is a Taiwan war conceivable?

Is a Taiwan war conceivable?


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...Taiwan is completely indefensible for USA no matter what they try. China can take over the entire island in 1 or 2 days!

The question is why does China want to walk into the American trap? If there are any lessons to learn from Iraq and Afghanistan, there's a fine line in destroying your opponent's military and maintaining control of what was taken with minimal cost. It would be better for both China and Taiwan to reunify peacefully. However, it Taiwan does something idiotic that would threaten China's sovereignty then by all means use whatever lethal force to resolve it.
 
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The question is why does China want to walk into the American trap? If there are any lessons to learn from Iraq and Afghanistan, there's a fine line in destroying your opponent's military and maintaining control of what was taken with minimal cost. It would be better for both China and Taiwan to reunify peacefully. However, it Taiwan does something idiotic that would threaten China's sovereignty then by all means use whatever lethal force to resolve it.
There is no trap. Victory goes to the strong. As long as China is stronger than the US around its maritime periphery, a war will only result in the immediate and unconditional acceptance of China as a global superpower.

DPP stands for Taiwan independence. A DPP administration will inevitably seek to conspire with USA and other countries to China's detriment.

There is no "minimal cost" option, that is just self-delusion for weaklings and cowards. Again, victory goes to the strong and the weak are vanquished. That is the law of nature. China's job is to make sure it is the Taiwan independence supporters and US presence in East Asia that is vanquished forever.
 
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There is no trap. Victory goes to the strong. As long as China is stronger than the US around its maritime periphery, a war will only result in the immediate and unconditional acceptance of China as a global superpower.

DPP stands for Taiwan independence. A DPP administration will inevitably seek to conspire with USA and other countries to China's detriment.

There is no "minimal cost" option, that is just self-delusion for weaklings and cowards. Again, victory goes to the strong and the weak are vanquished. That is the law of nature. China's job is to make sure it is the Taiwan independence supporters and US presence in East Asia that is vanquished forever.

Actually there should be no war if the status quo is maintained, to Taiwan, even if the DPP do come to power, as long as they do not officially seek independence, try to damage ties, and no outside interference involved meddling on this issue there should not be a cause for war, the DPP should understand that trying to change the course of history makes them liable to be dubbed traitors and separatist. There's also the moral compass to consider when it comes to war over Taiwan, yes China can easily disable Taiwan's military in short time, but to what political and human cost will this affect? Time is on our side, but DPP separatist ideas are like a poison to the minds of the people there because in no way have separatism ever been resolved peacefully.
 
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The very fact that they still oppose China says otherwise. Wake up, boys. If it is possible it will be done long time ago.
 
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The very fact that they still oppose China says otherwise. Wake up, boys. If it is possible it will be done long time ago.

There are factions on Chinese Taipei that want or oppose either way the One China is a reality if they declare Independence they have 1600 Missiles pointed not to mention a Invasion to restore sovereignty blockade and Starve off are other options.
 
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China and vietnam are not fools to fight a war.

The topic is about China and Taiwan.


There is no trap. Victory goes to the strong. As long as China is stronger than the US around its maritime periphery, a war will only result in the immediate and unconditional acceptance of China as a global superpower.

DPP stands for Taiwan independence. A DPP administration will inevitably seek to conspire with USA and other countries to China's detriment.

There is no "minimal cost" option, that is just self-delusion for weaklings and cowards. Again, victory goes to the strong and the weak are vanquished. That is the law of nature. China's job is to make sure it is the Taiwan independence supporters and US presence in East Asia that is vanquished forever.

Yes I understand the 'law of the jungle' concept. As I stated earlier, if the DPP admin conspire to actively threaten China's sovereignty then by all means do what's necessary including a Scorched Earth policy. If all they do is flap their jaw with nothing to back it up then let them yell all they want. My next question would be, does the Taiwanese people know that they're nothing more than a pawn of the Americans?

My 'minimal cost' comment was to illustrate what happens when one tries to force something onto the local population against their will (Afghanistan is the perfect example). Wouldn't it be more efficient to win the local population support than to bomb the crap out of them?


China has no chance against Taiwan, with or without USA.

I highly doubt Taiwan would win without USA assistance. They might be able to muster a few victories but will lose the war.


China is not communist. Where have you been for the last 30 years....

You missed his point.


The very fact that they still oppose China says otherwise. Wake up, boys. If it is possible it will be done long time ago.

Has it ever occur to you that Beijing may want to resolve this peacefully first?
 
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The very fact that they still oppose China says otherwise. Wake up, boys. If it is possible it will be done long time ago.

US is a weak loser country, because it cannot even conquer Uganda. If it could conquer Uganda, it would've been done a long time ago. Wake up son.

F-22 is a sh!t plane, because it hasn't ever been used. if it was a good plane, they would've used it. Wake up son.

India is so weak it cannot even beat Zimbabwe. If it could, it would. Besides, Zimbabwe has a higher literacy rate than India.
 
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Actually there should be no war if the status quo is maintained, to Taiwan, even if the DPP do come to power, as long as they do not officially seek independence, try to damage ties, and no outside interference involved meddling on this issue there should not be a cause for war
You clearly don't have a clue abut Taiwan. I repeat, the DPP stands for Taiwan independence. People elect the DPP because of they support Taiwan independence. I know you find it hard to digest, but the majority of Taiwanese absolutely detest mainland China. They just don't want to reunify, no matter how much you beg, because they think people like you are pathetic, get it?

, the DPP should understand that trying to change the course of history makes them liable to be dubbed traitors and separatist.
Again, please look past your brainwashing. What makes you think Taiwan will inevitably reunify with China considering that the vast majority of Taiwanese detest mainland China? Will North America inevitably return to the indigenous pre-columbian peoples and white people inevitably all move back to Europe?

There's also the moral compass to consider when it comes to war over Taiwan, yes China can easily disable Taiwan's military in short time, but to what political and human cost will this affect? Time is on our side, but DPP separatist ideas are like a poison to the minds of the people there because in no way have separatism ever been resolved peacefully.
You aren't even making sense. Is DPP separatism a poison to the mind, or is time on our side? The crucial fact you have not yet figured out is that Taiwanese separatist ideas don't come from the DPP because right now they are not in power (KMT has the hand up in "educating" the masses for the past 4 years) -- instead the cold, hard, unpleasant reality of Taiwanese separatism is what is bringing DPP back into power.

Yes I understand the 'law of the jungle' concept. As I stated earlier, if the DPP admin conspire to actively threaten China's sovereignty then by all means do what's necessary including a Scorched Earth policy.
You are just pretending to support "doing what's necessary including a scorched earth policy" if Taiwan declares independence. Of course you don't really have the balls to do that, because you are afraid of the USA. This is just an excuse to support your suggestion to "do nothing for now." When they declare independence, then you will make up another excuse to support doing nothing, like "Oh we need to wait until every single nation in the world recognizes Taiwan, and then we'll do a scorched earth policy."

If all they do is flap their jaw with nothing to back it up then let them yell all they want. My next question would be, does the Taiwanese people know that they're nothing more than a pawn of the Americans?
Of course the Taiwanese know they are a pawn of USA. They are much much smarter than you are. They don't mind because they figure USA will be able to protect them.

Obviously, it's YOU who want China with flap its jaw with nothing to back it up. :woot:

My 'minimal cost' comment was to illustrate what happens when one tries to force something onto the local population against their will (Afghanistan is the perfect example). Wouldn't it be more efficient to win the local population support than to bomb the crap out of them?
If you are really so ignorant as to write crap like this, you should not be posting anything on a military defense forum. Where have you been for the last, oh, 20 years? You think Taiwan independence is a new thing started this year?

I highly doubt Taiwan would win without USA assistance. They might be able to muster a few victories but will lose the war.
That is another comment made from pure ignorance. How many battles do you expect and how many do you think ROC forces could win against PLA?
 
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I think the issue is to old now for there be a war unless you have some nutjob in power.

If the country is self governed for a long period of time you wont have any support in invading and it'll hurt both economys which is whats important right.

Its just to difficult for modern countrys to do.

P.S These chinese supremacists are getting old.
 
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Silly..... we're going to be a superpower on the same level as USA. We don't play by rules of middle powers. It's middle powers who have to be afraid that rocking the boat too much by bullying smaller countries would bring on them unpleasant attention from superpowers.

We are already in a cold war with USA. We do what we need to do to win. Including causing massive casualties in nation states hostile to us.
 
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