@VEVAK
Did you watch the Video I posted? The J-90 is not the Tolue-4 but it is based on it!
If you believe a unscaled CGI or an unknown engine (clearly larger than Tolue-4) tells you anything, you have grave issues with you methodic. If you think two Tolue-4 based mini jet engines could power a trainer of that size, you have grave flaws in your basic physical understanding.
I won't argue with you about that.
The notion that ANY Air Force in their right mind would choose 100 Q-313 over 24 Su-30's is beyond absurd!
And to spend all that money on the facilities to build an Aircraft where 10 of them can't even take on a single Iranian F-14 let alone F-15, Su-30,....
I wont argue about that too. If you think 10 F-313 as I described it, could not take on a F-14A. Good. If you think a symmetric approach in airpower will lead Iran anywhere in the current threat situation. Good too.
@drmeson
Allow me to inform you that you are argument is wrong. India has a tested IRBM-ICBM and their space program is way ahead of Iran.
They don't have conventional arsenal. Thats what I said. Only a very small number for their nukes.
Pakistan has solid fueled MIRV-MRBMs along with deployed long ranged LACM, SLCM.
Same as above in a much restricted manner.
Why are you assuming that all these countries like Israel, India, KSA, Pakistan, Turkey etc are run by stupid defense strategists that they have strong nuclear tipped missile programs yet they keep developing their AF's as well.
They are not stupid. They neither have the political will, and some no technology.
KSA purchased a small number from China, the only such case in history. If they would have purchased higher numbers the west would be very unpleased.
Just look at the history of South Korean BM's and teach yourself.
Iran is smart and has the political will. It makes better decisions than those countries because it has a force that is very flexible, unconventional, let say revolutionary that don't stick to rules and traditions in warfare, the IRGC.
Your whole argument of Russia/USA not wanting anyone to have a missile force is dusted by the fact that Russia has sold more weaponry to China and India than anyone yet India and China both have missile forces (Chinese one is on another level).
Yes China is among the nations with a conventional BM arsenal. As veto superpower it has no problems to do so.
So ask yourself: China is a proven "non-stupid" country in warfare, so why don't the Indians with their space program have a arsenal like the Chinese with both their huge airforce.
Israel bought the whole Apartheid RSA program in 80s to cover for its missile program, yet they kept receiving weaponry from USA, Pakistan gets western weaponry despite a nuclear triad armed military with an arsenal of BM/CM.
Look. Nuclear powers are allowed to have BMs/CMs for their nukes. But conventional arsenals like Iranians and Chinese, as the main warfare tool are not welcome by the big powers in the same way nukes are not welcome.
And kindly do tell which country has reduced payloads and ranges because of US/Russian pressure ?.
The huge technology democracy South Korea as said?
6 x Zolfaghar strikes with a CEP of 30-50 m hardly delivered around 4.2-4.5 tons of conventional warhead over an area of 50 m. A single sortie by 5 x MRCA's (4+ generation) can deliver ... guess what ... 25+ tons of same warhead with CEP of 5 m. And also at variety of targets. Again I repeat, same platforms can serve as air guards that's why they are called MRCA.
Typical argumentation... Your 5 MRCAs 4+ will get their assess served to them if they try to fly bomb loaded into a capable IADS with fighters keeping air superiority over the target area.
Not even 5. gen MRCAs can strike a high priority target at will with chance of survival.
All this nonesense floating around in the minds... 5 tons ordnance for a penetration attack??? Never, maybe with a defenseless Su-34 if the target is close enough. Be lucky with 4 x 500kg for 2tons PGMs.
Even with some of those MRCAs as escort they could only stand a chance against less protected targets.
Irans BM force will neutralize ANY target within 2000km around the country it wants.
You are again assuming that Iran's only enemy is USA so either we prepare against USA or we just do not against anyone else.
Anything enough for America, will be enough for the rest by magnitudes, except for Russia and China.
Today they do not have BM/CM's, what if they start procuring them from China, what if cash loving Pakistan starts selling them BM/CMs or even set up a TOT factory inside KSA ... you have this imagination that your enemies are some idiot orcs who can not think.
Aha, so in the same way any country can easily become a nuclear power too? Yes I equate a conventional missile arsenal like Irans and Chinas to as dangerous as nukes. In some sense they are better because you would fight conventionally and force the enemy to go unconventional if available.
This cold war era mentality of Russians and USA controlling the world etc is sickening, no one is no ones proxy or poodle anymore.
I didn't say that. Russians and Americans have a deal between themselves on BMs/CMs, its mainly the west that enforces the limitation of BMs/CMs for the world, by all the polito-economical power they have. Russians are happy about that too and Chinese too (with their sells/support to Saudis and Pakistan).
fire BM's towards their bases and they will start doing the same to our infrastructure, against which by the way we have no defense as of yet
Be sure that none wants a counter-value attack by Shahab-3 on infrastructure.
IRIN is spending millions and millions of dollars on making new corvettes and frigates. In future there will be some 10-12 such vessels in PG ... with no air cover. In case of war these vessels will be taken out easily. Are we ready to send our thousands of sailors to such slaughter. IRIN itself needs at least 4 squadrons to provide air-cover and also launch strikes on enemy vessels. We do not want to repeat another praying mentis.
You completely ignore ground/sea based air defense. No need for fighters in the IRIN.
The fruit of the IRIN will someday be hopefully its submarine force with missiles as their main weapons.
and even if it's true, we can easily talk about the loans from some other countries (Russia,SK, some from Europe), and these loans and all these financial arrangements take a lot of time. Quite funny that you think that Iran would be the only country like that, same thing for all the emerging countries lol and also present in the western world but in a more hidden way (live there and know what i'm talking about)..junk assembler? what emerging country in the world is not assembling stuff from other countries? it takes a lot of time, please be patient, let's see Iran in 2025...
