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The one caution I have regarding this China discussion is that they are not immune to poor and even disastrous policy making. Either way.
That´s another matter. China loves arabs because their national markets and their Silk Road iniciative...And then China said, Iran’s islands belong to Arabs…
... J16 cannot be purchased because of US pressure (and Israel and some arab states).
GreetingsGood post. Not something one sees everyday.
I will post an updated version of part 4 of my paper to Dropbox this evening. I think that it would be good to look at as it contained quite a few additions. Same URL.
In future I think that I will update this paper say every 30 days.
Enjoy.
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Since when has US or Israel any influence on Chinese exports and how could it?
You think Russia didn’t ask China for arms and supplies during its war with Ukraine?
China has taken relative neutrality after US/EU threatened sanctions if they overly supported Russia with physical arms to aid its war. Chinese support has been largely limited to importing Russia natural gas and cheap oil due to price cap.
China secretly sends enough gear to Russia to equip an army
Shipments of military-capable hardware expose a China-sized loophole in Western sanctions.
According to customs records obtained by POLITICO, Russian buyers have declared orders for hundreds of thousands of bulletproof vests and helmets made by Shanghai H Win
By Sarah Anne Aarup, Sergey Panov and Douglas Busvine
July 24, 2023 7:00 am CET
China secretly sends enough gear to Russia to equip an army
Shipments of military-capable hardware expose a China-sized loophole in Western sanctions.www.politico.eu
if Cina would want to sell then?
Why would China not want to sell to one of its closest Allies (outside of Pakistan)? Do you believe that Russia has not asked China for overt military assistance via high tech arms, but asked only Iran —a country that it had up&down ties with prior to Ukraine war ?
BTW: No one here is saying US/Israel would physically stop China from exporting.
To get back on topic, Chinese military arms to Iran have largely been in the field of raw materials and components for its various military programs rather than finished high end products. Some radars in the last several years nothing gamechanging.
The last major Iranian-Chinese arms deal was for C-802 in the late 90’s/early 00’s. That deal did not go smoothly. The last major aircraft purchase between them was J-7/F-7. And not recently was Chinese involvement on an upgrade/modernization package for Iranian F-4’s (allegedly).
China quite simply hasn’t been a major arms exporter to Iran in the last 30 years in regards to finished products.
China’s strong economic ties to the West & Saudi Arabia make it questionable why it would ever agree to a major fighter jet deal with Iran and all the headaches that would involve. China isn’t cash strapped that it needs 5B-10B from an Iranian arms deal.
So what would entice China to sell any major aircraft to Iran?
Outside of a dramatic shift in Iranian-Chinese military relationship or a major breakdown in China’s relations with the West, it’s unlikely.
Correct. China’s economic entanglement with the West is key to China’s behavior. It is key to understand, however, they are taking steps to unentangle while preserving wealth. This will be a combination of foreign, monetary and fiscal steps. Very complex and very cautiously. While take awhile.Why would China not want to sell to one of its closest Allies (outside of Pakistan)? Do you believe that Russia has not asked China for overt military assistance via high tech arms, but asked only Iran —a country that it had up&down ties with prior to Ukraine war ?
BTW: No one here is saying US/Israel would physically stop China from exporting.
To get back on topic, Chinese military arms to Iran have largely been in the field of raw materials and components for its various military programs rather than finished high end products. Some radars in the last several years nothing gamechanging.
The last major Iranian-Chinese arms deal was for C-802 in the late 90’s/early 00’s. That deal did not go smoothly. The last major aircraft purchase between them was J-7/F-7. And not recently was Chinese involvement on an upgrade/modernization package for Iranian F-4’s (allegedly).
China quite simply hasn’t been a major arms exporter to Iran in the last 30 years in regards to finished products.
China’s strong economic ties to the West & Saudi Arabia make it questionable why it would ever agree to a major fighter jet deal with Iran and all the headaches that would involve. China isn’t cash strapped that it needs 5B-10B from an Iranian arms deal.
So what would entice China to sell any major aircraft to Iran?
Outside of a dramatic shift in Iranian-Chinese military relationship or a major breakdown in China’s relations with the West, it’s unlikely.
Since when has US or Israel any influence on Chinese exports and how could it?
Agreed.China’s strong economic ties to the West & Saudi Arabia make it questionable why it would ever agree to a major fighter jet deal with Iran and all the headaches that would involve. China isn’t cash strapped that it needs 5B-10B from an Iranian arms deal.