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[Hack-Hook]

And that's the main point. Soviets would have flattened us and none of those shiny fighter jets could have made a little difference.

no unless soviet would have gone nuclear their air force was inferior to us and if they went nuclear USA saw it as a threat to Persian gulf Energy resources and would have intervened . we had the power to stand against non nuclear attack from USSR, we had better aviation , better air-force , enough ground force to stand an more importantly all the weapons in western hemisphere would have flied toward us in case of war . USSR ballistic missile were nothing of concerns as they were good for terror attack (SCUD Missile) or Nuke delivery system .

Russian interceptors (Mig-25 and Mig-31) had no chance against 160 F-14 we were supposed to get . and we were supposed to replace F-5 with hundreds of F-16s . our Air force would have been just an extension of USA air-force and in case of attack it had all the equipment it need from USA .even the USA . in a conventional war Soviet even would have faced a very harder situation than Ukraine as they would have lost the sky and about ground force our air force had precision strike capabilities not so much about USSR precision strike capabilities existed.
Don't mistake it shah Army was strong , yes it was not independent and could not stand on its feet , but as long as west continued to support with part and equipment , there were not many who were willing to go against it.

 

[Muhammed45]

no unless soviet would have gone nuclear their air force was inferior to us and if they went nuclear USA saw it as a threat to Persian gulf Energy resources and would have intervened . we had the power to stand against non nuclear attack from USSR, we had better aviation , better air-force , enough ground force to stand an more importantly all the weapons in western hemisphere would have flied toward us in case of war . USSR ballistic missile were nothing of concerns as they were good for terror attack (SCUD Missile) or Nuke delivery system

You remind me of Ukraine. Ukraine is frontline of NATO and they can't do damn against angry Russians.

Russian interceptors (Mig-25 and Mig-31) had no chance against 160 F-14 we were supposed to get . and we were supposed to replace F-5 with hundreds of F-16s . our Air force would have been just an extension of USA air-force and in case of attack it had all the equipment it need from USA .even the USA . in a conventional war Soviet even would have faced a very harder situation than Ukraine as they would have lost the sky and about ground force our air force had precision strike capabilities not so much about USSR precision strike capabilities existed.

Have you forgot, one needs an airbase to fly those fighters? Even if we had 3000 advanced fighter jets, they were still vulnurable to Soviets guided missiles. Soviet could easily destroy our airbases, we were just a puppet of USA a useless meat which would have been thrown under the bus by west when things heated up between Sovieta and western powers.

Don't mistake it shah Army was strong , yes it was not independent and could not stand on its feet , but as long as west continued to support with part and equipment , there were not many who were willing to go against it.

Shah wasn't an ideological leader. Just like Reza Shah who boasted about his army, an army that operated foreign made fighter jet, collapsed in a matter of seconds. Not eve days

Shah made his people an escapegoat of west.

 

[Hack-Hook]

F14s couldn't stop Soviets missile rain on us.

what missile rain , they were SCUDs , 300-500km range with a cep of 500-1000m and F-16 and F-4 could deal with them and answered back

Don't forget the importance of Caspian sea. Americans didn't even agree on transferring missiles with a range below 300 KM. BMs are strategic assets, but fighter jets can be easily defused by ground based ADs.

thats why there are sead

 

[Muhammed45]

what missile rain , they were SCUDs , 300-500km range with a cep of 500-1000m and F-16 and F-4 could deal with them and answered back

thats why there are sead

Oh, come on. What did i just read? Soviets was a war machine man, they were the only ones who could stop Germans.

 

[Hack-Hook]

You remind me of Ukraine. Ukraine is frontline of NATO and they can't do damn against angry Russians.

and Russia can't do a damn thing about it there also they even didn't capture all of donbass yet.
on a side note Iran air force was supposed to be 160xF-14 , 300+ x F16 and hundreds of F-4 . compared that to the demilitarized Ukraine
at the time we had far more precision strike capabilities than USSR

Oh, come on. What did i just read? Soviets was a war machine man, they were the only ones who could stop Germans.

not Soviet , USSR geography and unlimited support by western country , guess why they invaded Iran when Iran declared neutrality ? why they called Iran bridge of victory?

Have you forgot, one needs an airbase to fly those fighters? Even if we had 3000 advanced fighter jets, they were still vulnurable to Soviets guided missiles. Soviet could easily destroy our airbases, we were just a puppet of USA a useless meat which would have been thrown under the bus by west when things heated up between Sovieta and western powers.

as i said you are welcome destroy airbase with those scuds . they are not Iskandar , they have a cep of 1km
but iran air force could deliver weapon inside a room through the windows at the time and as i said the range was limited and those airplanes have longer range than the missiles

 

[Muhammed45]

not Soviet , USSR geography and unlimited support by western country , guess why they invaded Iran when Iran declared neutrality ? why they called Iran bridge of victory?

When did west come to help Soviets? When the gutless Stalin took shelter somewhere outside Moscow, it was people of St Petersburg that resisted German invasion.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Shah wasn't an ideological leader. Just like Reza Shah who boasted about his army, an army that operated foreign made fighter jet, collapsed in a matter of seconds. Not eve days

Shah made his people an escapegoat of west.

as i said as long as the west supported it the army was strong , it would have crumbled if they stop support . also army of reza-shah was different than the army of Mohammad-reza

When did west come to help Soviets? When the gutless Stalin took shelter somewhere outside Moscow, it was people of St Petersburg that resisted German invasion.

and winter never forget that .but west deliver all it could to Soviet during the world war . i'm not expert on that better ask the ones who are more interested about that war.

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

iran was not supposed to have nuke and at the time 1970-78 which type of nukes submarine could deliver .
which type of submarine could deliver them ? were they able to deliver them from Persian gulf ? could transport them to caspian sea ? did those type of submarine who could deliver nukes even deployable in Caspian sea?

USA was not in love with King Mohammad reza , eye and eyebrow . they were calculating what they wanted to give him. they were giving him air force and aviation equipment as much as he wanted and at the best of quality . because they saw it as strengthening factors in their defensive lines . they gave him ground equipment because the exact same reason . they would not have gave him big ships and submarines because they didn't want hip outside Persian gulf , Makoran sea and Arabian sea . that why in the navy the best they agreed was Kidd Class frigates that were good for those areas . they would have given him artillery rockets as much as he wanted but ballistic missile ? even they didn't gave them to Israel . it was french who gave it to them

Where to start!

Considering in december 21 2020, USS georgia sailed through the Persian Gulf, that should tell you a nuclear armed submarine could travel through the conditions of the PG. I dont need to remind you the USS georgia was delivered in 1979 so the tech was available at that time. Not sure about Caspian Sea but it would be useful against Communist China or North Korea, who would side with USSR in a nuclear war. Delivering nukes from a sub was technology that was mastered in the 60s.

You shouldnt take it so personally. The US never gives all its best things out like candy, even to its Anglo-Saxon allies. But of course the wanted to back stab him just like any other dictator in the region. The thing is Iran would have had the technology and tavanayee to make things like ships and missiles themselves, especially if iran continued to be a poodle into the 80s and 90s. Eventually they would have offered these things to a loyal and competent regional ally in Iran. Iran is by far more competent than Israel and Arabs, its just the sanctions that make us look backwards. Iranians are amongst the best at seeking knowledge, whether religious or worldly.

 

[mohsen]

When was the last time anyone went to war with missiles and how did that turned out?

Well, I know several countries having the best airforces in the world, went to war and their airforce brought them no victory of any sort. USA, Soviet, Iraq, Israel, Saudi Arabia.

And today Russia relies more on it's missiles, rather than it's airforce.

 

[jauk]

When was the last time anyone went to war with missiles and how did that turned out?

When was the last time anyone went to war with decrepit F something’s and how did that turn out?

And leapfrogging pays little attention to retrograde thinking.

 

[Abid123]

no unless soviet would have gone nuclear their air force was inferior to us and if they went nuclear USA saw it as a threat to Persian gulf Energy resources and would have intervened . we had the power to stand against non nuclear attack from USSR, we had better aviation , better air-force , enough ground force to stand an more importantly all the weapons in western hemisphere would have flied toward us in case of war . USSR ballistic missile were nothing of concerns as they were good for terror attack (SCUD Missile) or Nuke delivery system .

Russian interceptors (Mig-25 and Mig-31) had no chance against 160 F-14 we were supposed to get . and we were supposed to replace F-5 with hundreds of F-16s . our Air force would have been just an extension of USA air-force and in case of attack it had all the equipment it need from USA .even the USA . in a conventional war Soviet even would have faced a very harder situation than Ukraine as they would have lost the sky and about ground force our air force had precision strike capabilities not so much about USSR precision strike capabilities existed.
Don't mistake it shah Army was strong , yes it was not independent and could not stand on its feet , but as long as west continued to support with part and equipment , there were not many who were willing to go against it.

Dude no country on earth besides US could fight Soviet Union in a conventional war. Even the PLA would stand no chance. The Soviet Union was a superpower for a reason.

 

[drmeson]

Dude no country on earth besides US could fight Soviet Union in a conventional war. Even the PLA would stand no chance. The Soviet Union was a superpower for a reason.

Shahi IIAF was a beast of its time. At the time time of the revolution, the Soviet AF was flying Su-15, MIG-25, and MIG-23. They had no answer to

79 F-14A
225 F-4E/D
160 F-5E/F
200+ AHJ1

This force would have grown to following

160 F-14A
140 F-16A/B
200 F/A-18
225 F-4E/D
160 F-5E/F
200+ AHJ1

Now the IRIAF is weak for now but our IADS, UCAV and Missile power is unparalleled in the region.

 

[gambit]

Legend has it that at the end of the Vietnam War, some F-5s were sent to the Soviet Union for eval. Then US intel intercepted a message where the Soviets told their allies that do not get the MIG-21 into a turning fight against the F-5. I read on this discussion that Iran dropped the F-5 in favor of missiles.

 

[TheImmortal]

Legend has it that at the end of the Vietnam War, some F-5s were sent to the Soviet Union for eval. Then US intel intercepted a message where the Soviets told their allies that do not get the MIG-21 into a turning fight against the F-5. I read on this discussion that Iran dropped the F-5 in favor of missiles.

The only plane Iran hasn’t dropped is the F-5

Migs are withering away
F-14 is wholly under modernized. The AM upgrade would have been nice 20 years ago not in 2022.
SU-22 are also growing obsolete by the day

What did IRIAF focus on?

F-5 test bed projects and upgrading the dump truck that is the F-4.

As if we need a F-4 to fire a cruise missile when Kaman-22 and Fotros have that ability not to mention the thousands of cruise missiles that line the PG coast aimed at the sea.

 

[gambit]

Well, I know several countries having the best airforces in the world, went to war and their airforce brought them no victory of any sort. USA, Soviet, Iraq, Israel, Saudi Arabia.

And today Russia relies more on it's missiles, rather than it's airforce.

Your argument actually proved my point as I said earlier that the airplane produced doctrinal, strategic, and tactical flexibility. The missile cannot. Choices always create stress. What it means is that the airplane is a more intellectually sophisticated and financially demanding platform to wield. Tell me that Desert Storm was a failure in terms of airpower.