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[SalarHaqq]

Has any one done a comparison between "simorgh" and C-130...in terms of payload ..runway requirements..endurance etc..just curious to know.

As sahureka2 pointed out, these are two different classes of planes: light transport (IrAn-140 / Simorgh) vs medium transport (C-130). The C-130's payload is slightly less than 20 tons, while Simorgh's is 6 tons.

The Simorgh is meant to replace Iran's Fokker F-27, which has fulfilled that function until now with the IRIAF. Whereas the IRGCAF is using the turbofan-powered Antonov An-74 (7,5 tons of payload) in the light transport role.

When it comes to heavy transports, IRIAF is fielding Boeing B-747's and Ilyushin Il-76's. The latter is also in use with the IRGCAF.

This said, designs for other variants of the IrAn-140 were shown by Iran years ago:

* Naval patrol (could replace IRIN's F-27's, can be armed with anti-ship cruise missile)
* Anti-submarine warfare (could replace IRIN's Lockheed P-3 Orion's, although the Simorgh would have shorter range)
* Special paratrooper transport
* AEW (Airborne Early Warning)
* Tanker (aerial refueling)

 

[Sineva]

War could've ended in 1982.

Leaving saddam still in power and able to re-arm his military for round 2.Frankly its as stupid as suggesting that the western allies should`ve made a separate peace with the nazis in 1944.
Heres a better what if for you:
How about if the arabs,the west and the soviets had simply left saddam to his own fate rather than supporting him with tens of billions of dollars of new weapons,chemical weapons,intelligence and other aid,so that by 1986/87,the iraqis would`ve had to sue for peace leading to saddams removal from power.
Just think,there would`ve been no invasion of kuwait,no desert storm,no un sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of iraqis,no us invasion and occupation,no rampant terrorism,no near civil war,no surge,no isis.
Just think of how many people would still be alive today if only one arab vassal despot had been removed....
It really makes you stop and think,doesnt it?.

 

[Raghfarm007]

War could've ended in 1982.

War would have ended??? Didnt the retard attack his best friend of Kuwait after he attacked Iran?!! That was Khomaini´s fault too......

 

[TheImmortal]

Leaving saddam still in power and able to re-arm his military for round 2.Frankly its as stupid as suggesting that the western allies should`ve made a separate peace with the nazis in 1944.
Heres a better what if for you:
How about if the arabs,the west and the soviets had simply left saddam to his own fate rather than supporting him with tens of billions of dollars of new weapons,chemical weapons,intelligence and other aid,so that by 1986/87,the iraqis would`ve had to sue for peace leading to saddams removal from power.
Just think,there would`ve been no invasion of kuwait,no desert storm,no un sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of iraqis,no us invasion and occupation,no rampant terrorism,no near civil war,no surge,no isis.
Just think of how many people would still be alive today if only one arab vassal despot had been removed....
It really makes you stop and think,doesnt it?.

It is widely accepted that the decision by Khomeini to continue the war was a disastrous decision in hindsight. Hence the “poisonous cup” comment.

It allowed the West & Arabs to increase their support of Saddam and also to “punish” Iran. Iran was still reorganzing its military after the Shah purges and the extension of the war merely caused more damage to Iran’s economy as well huge increase in loss of life.

It would have been better to have a ceasefire and allow Saddam to invade Kuwait in 1984-1985 rather than try to take Karbala with the entire world supporting Saddam to prevent a Shiite crescent from rising.

 

[Muhammed45]

War could've ended in 1982.

The Takriti bastard harami hit a punch, he should have ate a punch in return. Even if it made the war a war of attrition. You should have felt the the pain of stupidity, that's why you insist that Iran should have agreed to that humiliating proposal. After the erosive war, you were left with billions of debt to tens of weapons suppliers such as Soviets, USA, France, Germany, Netherland, UK, China, Singapore and the huge Financial debt to Persian Gulf states. A fked up country was left of Iraq. Iran began to Grow and thrive, rising from the ashes.

 

[Muhammed45]

It is widely accepted that the decision by Khomeini to continue the war was a disastrous decision in hindsight. Hence the “poisonous cup” comment.

It allowed the West & Arabs to increase their support of Saddam and also to “punish” Iran. Iran was still reorganzing its military after the Shah purges and the extension of the war merely caused more damage to Iran’s economy as well huge increase in loss of life.

It would have been better to have a ceasefire and allow Saddam to invade Kuwait in 1984-1985 rather than try to take Karbala with the entire world supporting Saddam to prevent a Shiite crescent from rising.

Are you joking?

Even if we behaved like a little brat and signed that humiliating proposal with eyes full of tears, Saddam would have never stayed loyal to his own words/signature. You are saying that we should have allowed him to revive his pride as the father Arabs and occupied Kuwait? Are you out of your mind?

A hostile bastard in our Neighborhood whose remnants created backbone of ISIS, could never be trusted.

Btw, what would you do if someone punched you in your alley, tried to rape your women and invaded your house? Signed an agreement of peace right after getting punched? That is what a little brat would do.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

I think that the most important reason for continuing the war was the fact that the U.N was refusing to finger Iraq as the aggressor in the Iran Iraq war back in 1982. Every resolution that was put forth at that time called for both parties to pull back their forces and did not show any recognition of Iraq as the instigator of the conflict meaning that Iran would not be entitled to reparations for the damages incurred from Iraq's equation. There are claims going around that say that the Saudis had offered to pay Iran reparations to end the war in 82. I do not know if there is any truth to that because no one was holding Iraq accountable for starting the war at the U.N so why would the Saudis want to pay the "Mullahs in Tehran" Tens if not hundreds of billions of Dollars to end a war that they were fully behind in support to Saddam Hussain because they feared the Islamic Revolution spread throughout the region?

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

It is widely accepted that the decision by Khomeini to continue the war was a disastrous decision in hindsight. Hence the “poisonous cup” comment.

It allowed the West & Arabs to increase their support of Saddam and also to “punish” Iran. Iran was still reorganzing its military after the Shah purges and the extension of the war merely caused more damage to Iran’s economy as well huge increase in loss of life.

It would have been better to have a ceasefire and allow Saddam to invade Kuwait in 1984-1985 rather than try to take Karbala with the entire world supporting Saddam to prevent a Shiite crescent from rising.

Ayatollah Khomeini's "poisonous cup" comment was made on 21 July 1988 after he had accepted U.N resolution 598 which was implemented on August 20th 1988.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

The Takriti bastard harami hit a punch, he should have ate a punch in return. Even if it made the war a war of attrition. You should have felt the the pain of stupidity, that's why you insist that Iran should have agreed to that humiliating proposal. After the erosive war, you were left with billions of debt to tens of weapons suppliers such as Soviets, USA, France, Germany, Netherland, UK, China, Singapore and the huge Financial debt to Persian Gulf states. A fked up country was left of Iraq. Iran began to Grow and thrive, rising from the ashes.

First of all Saddam barely suffered, he died and so will all of us.

The ones suffering were mainly your people.

Khomeini was instigating rebellion in Iraq and attacked border posts before the war started.

Saddam would've never invaded Iran had you remained with the Shah. Not because America is up his ***, Saddam never was bright when it comes to challenging superpowers. He wouldn't give two shits about your Shah having better weapons he doesn't think that far.

Khomeini is a sob who caused a lot of death. Akhoonds deserved a nuke. Anyway our Shia retards are enjoying the Iranian *** in their face, perhaps both of you majoos will one day clean these two cunt countries.

 

[Muhammed45]

First of all Saddam barely suffered, he died and so will all of us.

The bastard was hanged while moaning like a bitch. Don't forget that he was hanged like a dog.

The ones suffering were mainly your people.

Not that much. Our people wholeheartrdly supported our fighting men, mostly Basij volunteers.

Khomeini was instigating rebellion in Iraq and attacked border posts before the war started.

Why not? The oppressed Shias had every right to rebel and to this date we fully supported our brethren and will continue to do so despite people like you moaning and complaining. Welcome to the new Iraq

Saddam would've never invaded Iran had you remained with the Shah. Not because America is up his ***, Saddam never was bright when it comes to challenging superpowers. He wouldn't give two shits about your Shah having better weapons he doesn't think that far.

You are talking about two puppets, the first bastard your beloved Saddam tried his chance during Shah rule and sent heavy mechanized units to Iranian borders which ended up with Foreign interference avoiding a Complete war.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

The bastard was hanged while moaning like a bitch. Don't forget that he was hanged like a dog.


Not that much. Our people wholeheartrdly supported our fighting men, mostly Basij volunteers.


Why not? The oppressed Shias had every right to rebel and to this date we fully supported our brethren and will continue to do so despite people like you moaning and complaining. Welcome to the new Iraq


You are talking about two puppets, the first bastard your beloved Saddam tried his chance during Shah rule and sent heavy mechanized units to Iranian borders which ended up with Foreign interference avoiding a Complete war.

Had Shah remained your passport would likely be among European levels, you'd be wealthy. A nuclear power and most likely you'd have the same levels of military industry as you have today, maybe more.

Iraq took the same rebellious approach throwing its British slave monarchy off rule. The brainless gulf Arabs without ideology did nothing and are better off now.

Anyway. My point here is that Khomeini decided for a lot of extra unnecessary bloodshed. Easy for you now to say it was justified, ask the ones who suffered fam losses at the time, the seniors.

KHOMEINI was a massive dog, the revolution was a mistake.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

 

[TheImmortal]

Are you joking?

Even if we behaved like a little brat and signed that humiliating proposal with eyes full of tears, Saddam would have never stayed loyal to his own words/signature. You are saying that we should have allowed him to revive his pride as the father Arabs and occupied Kuwait? Are you out of your mind?

If he wasn’t able to occupy Kuwait in 1991 what makes you think the West would allow him to occupy in 1984? The West would have destroyed his military just like they did in PG War I. So your point is in invalid.

And 1982 ceasefire and 1988 ceasefire are basically the same terms. So all that happened during that 6 years was alot more Iranians dead and damage to Iranians economy.

Anyone that argues for more war based on pride and arrogance rather than facts on the ground is filled with childish thinking.

Khomeini had zero military credentials/experience and went against the advice of his inner circle in continuing the war.

Ayatollah Khomeini's "poisonous cup" comment was made on 21 July 1988 after he had accepted U.N resolution 598 which was implemented on August 20th 1988.

Yeah and it was made for the fact that Iran didn’t accept the UN ceasefire in 1982 and 6 years later was basically force to accept the reality of 88 ceasefire which was the same ceasefire from 6 years prior.

All the extension of the war did was result in much more men and civilians dead and massive damage to Iranian economy.

Anyone who argues that the extension of war was beneficial or how Iran was attacked and had to teach Saddam a “lesson” is nothing more than a keyboard warrior thinking with arrogance and pride who doesn’t understand the gravity of war.

Many Iranian men never got to live a long life because of Khomeini’s highly unwise decision to continue a war it had no chance of winning (the West and Arabs weren’t going to allow Iran to takeover Iraq).

 

[Saddam Hussein]

You'll cry cutting yourself shaving, yet here praising the decision to extend a war with 6 years whilst sipping some drink and having a shower later.

Would've been great had that been a 2 year war instead of 8.

Khomeini should've signed the cease fire, taken a bike and blown himself up somewhere to get his martyrdom. Everyone happy. Back to work.

 

[Muhammed45]

If he wasn’t able to occupy Kuwait in 1991 what makes you think the West would allow him to occupy in 1984? The West would have destroyed his military just like they did in PG War I. So your point is in invalid.

And 1982 ceasefire and 1988 ceasefire are basically the same terms. So all that happened during that 6 years was alot more Iranians dead and damage to Iranians economy.

Anyone that argues for more war based on pride and arrogance rather than facts on the ground is filled with childish thinking.

Khomeini had zero military credentials/experience and went against the advice of his inner circle in continuing the war

Iran completely eroded the Ba'ath army. They were left like a sitting duck. And before that point we couldn't let them go. Hope you use your brain and try to understand that.

Btw, who was the inner circle? Hashemi and his team of cowards you mean? Without that 8 years war, Saddam could have left with power to strike again. Even when he was being hanged like a dog, he whispered two names, death to Iran, death to USA. He hadnt slightest change and with the least power, he would have striked again.

These words coming from someone residing in USA is not a weird thing since you didn't feel the power of Ba'ath army enjoying life abroad or maybe you are too Young to know that. Without an eroded army, the Ba'athis could have waged war again having the whole western and eastern powers backing them. You seem unknown to Ba'athis of Iraq, we couldn't let them go easily. Something about national pride and dignity.