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Impressive, especially the production line. And since this is a predecessor of the Kowsar, the production line of the newer fighter jet could be bigger and much more advanced. It is also a proof that Iran has a solid fighter jet development program.

as they said Iran started to produce aluminium 7075 for the body of Saeghe fighter jet and other fighter jets as well some 18 years ago.

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and then the world say how they are flying there 50 year old Helicopters and fighter jets, well they fly because nothing in them is American made any more, they are replaced with Iranian made parts.

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i do not know what this is, maybe an UAV ???


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People used to ridicule Iran when they introduced Shafagh and Saegeh fighter jets; however, with the development of Kowsar, with its digital display, new avionics, radars, and the engines that take it to a fourth-generation level, I don't think the statement that "Iran is not in a position to build fighter jets plain and simple" can stand up to scrutiny. They're already building fighter jets, and while they are not in a position to challenge major fighter jets producers, their announcements and documentaries clearly show an indigenous fighter jet program.

The Kowsar may look like an F-5, but if everything else is different; and with the exception of airframe, I doubt the Kowsar can be considered an F-5 fighter jet.

Through trial and practice, it allows the Iranian engineers to develop the next successor to Kowsar. And if anything can be learned from the Chinese model, persistence pays off. Thirty years ago, people used to make fun of Chinese planes. Well, look at them today.

Fighter jets are not easy, many countries such as Japan, Germany, etc have much higher capability to build their own fighter jets, but have passed and went with foreign fighters.

India has a much higher military budget, more experience, greater engineer base, under ZERO sanctions, full access to foreign technology and transfer of tech. Yet it’s own fighter jet Program has still struggled. And to top it all off, they are currently looking at foreign fighters to modernize their aging airforce.

In case of Pakistan they got full TOT of a Chinese fighter. But Pakistan still does not have the ability to build its own indegenious fighter jet design.

Thus Iran will likely not be able to secure TOT from Russia, at least not for the plane it wants (SU-30/SU-35).

People are over simplifying the fighter jet production process.

Iran is not in a position to build fighter jets plain and simple. Even if it wanted to, it would be cost prohibitive and with a pathetic military budget of $14 billion dollars that’s not going to do much in the way of anything.

Air Force realizes the hurdles, the bottlenecks, the set backs and rather just wait to buy foreign fighters. With foreign fighters you know what your getting and you know the performance.

Furthermore, Air Force feels comfortable that it’s engineer base can keep any foreign fighter flying even if they were to get cut off from the parent country like in 1979.

So Iran can spend 2-3 Billion and get a substantial amount of fighters or spend 1 billion to R&D a fighter that may never make it to mass production in significant numbers.

Borhan/Shafagh failed because Air Force didn’t put in any orders in for it. Kowsar is not the answer either other than a upgrade/replacement package for aging F-5’s.


In 10 years we will see where Iran has gone in this field and the results may be disappointing.

Luckily in the drone space, Iran is a top tier power and that will only help it in the future.
 
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People used to ridicule Iran when they introduced Shafagh and Saegeh fighter jets; however, with the development of Kowsar, with its digital display, new avionics, radars, and the engines that take it to a fourth-generation level, I don't think the statement that "Iran is not in a position to build fighter jets plain and simple" can stand up to scrutiny. They're already building fighter jets, and while they are not in a position to challenge major fighter jets producers, their announcements and documentaries clearly show an indigenous fighter jet program.

The Kowsar may look like an F-5, but if everything else is different; and with the exception of airframe, I doubt the Kowsar can be considered an F-5 fighter jet.

Through trial and practice, it allows the Iranian engineers to develop the next successor to Kowsar. And if anything can be learned from the Chinese model, persistence pays off. Thirty years ago, people used to make fun of Chinese planes. Well, look at them today.

They aren’t building Kowsar jets! Stop falling for propaganda.

According to the latest news by the Air Force less than 20 Kowsar will be built in next 10 years.

So yes this is no different than Saeghe I & II. Just another name and another limited production run.

At best Kowsar is an avionics package/test bed or a replacement for F-5’s when they need to be retired and Iran has no other options.

At worst it’s actually just the Saeghe III in a long line of F-5 iterations.
 
farzad esmaili appointed to be head of air defence force when he was mid 30 and we all know air defence capabilities growed under his command so i don't think it's big deal if one young officer is in command of an overhauling unit.
Esmaili was a brigadier general already.

There is a difference between routine jobs and the jobs which need genius minds.
 
Esmaili was a brigadier general already.

There is a difference between routine jobs and the jobs which need genius minds.
being the head of an overhauling unit does not mean you should be an specialist in maintaining planes, you should manage your unit like esmaili did to his branch.
 
being the head of an overhauling unit does not mean you should be an specialist in maintaining planes, you should manage your unit like esmaili did to his branch.
Mohsen has an extraordinary narrow opinion corridor. Anyone not aligning in that corridor is by default a traitor. Basically everyone not named Mahmoud and/or not having an affiliation with sepah.
 

People used to ridicule Iran when they introduced Shafagh and Saegeh fighter jets; however, with the development of Kowsar, with its digital display, new avionics, radars, and the engines that take it to a fourth-generation level, I don't think the statement that "Iran is not in a position to build fighter jets plain and simple" can stand up to scrutiny. They're already building fighter jets, and while they are not in a position to challenge major fighter jets producers, their announcements and documentaries clearly show an indigenous fighter jet program.

The Kowsar may look like an F-5, but if everything else is different; and with the exception of airframe, I doubt the Kowsar can be considered an F-5 fighter jet.

Through trial and practice, it allows the Iranian engineers to develop the next successor to Kowsar. And if anything can be learned from the Chinese model, persistence pays off. Thirty years ago, people used to make fun of Chinese planes. Well, look at them today.

You're really right and do not pay attention to Thelmmortal's claims, he does not understand how the Iranians work. It's Western thought limited! Yes the Iranians are more advanced than they show us
 
I think we need to cut the airforce some slack. Airforce is the most difficult and expensive aspect of an army to properly develop and given the limited budget the airforce has, it's no surprise we've not see that much. Having said that, the Kowsar was still a good achievement, making a fighter jet which includes it's own jet engine is by no means an easy task.


I have seen signs that chief of staff Bagheri is serious about developing the airforce so we will hopefully see much more development.
 
iran in ahmadinejad era rented venezuelan f-16s to perform some researchers with it on our radars performance and possibly training dogfights. seems like venezuela offered us them with reasonable price but US blocked the sale.

a comparison between fakour and different amraam versions range that saudi and emiratis use.

dooran project aimed to upgrade our f-4s:

army herculeses in syria next to russian il-76s and flankers:

:lol::lol:

 
iran in ahmadinejad era rented venezuelan f-16s to perform some researchers with it on our radars performance and possibly training dogfights. seems like venezuela offered us them with reasonable price but US blocked the sale.

a comparison between fakour and different amraam versions range that saudi and emiratis use.

dooran project aimed to upgrade our f-4s:

army herculeses in syria next to russian il-76s and flankers:

:lol::lol:


Only issue with Fakkour is that an f-14 can carry it.

So Iran will have to have 40 F-14’s defend against 200+ F-16/F-15. This means that the air defense have to do the bulk of the work.

It highlights the need for an air superiority fighter to accompany F-14’s, wether Chinese/Russian/or Iranian made.
 
Only issue with Fakkour is that an f-14 can carry it.

So Iran will have to have 40 F-14’s defend against 200+ F-16/F-15. This means that the air defense have to do the bulk of the work.

It highlights the need for an air superiority fighter to accompany F-14’s, wether Chinese/Russian/or Iranian made.


need to modify some of the passengers plane that can fly upwards of 60,000 ft to carry giant radar and sensors and equip them with 20 Fakkour-90s .
 

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