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[skyshadow]

Is that F-4 or J-7?

I do not know . It's similar to the F-4, but it can not be the j7 because of the radar and the nose of the fighters.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Sadly one F-5 crashed in Iran, pilot dead, co-pilot wounded

https://thedefensepost.com/2018/08/26/iran-f-5-crash-pilot-killed/

It seems the blame is on ejection seat , Northrop claimed that the ejection seat is a 0-0 ejection seat , but whenever a pilot eject at low altitude its nearly certain that he get seriously injured.

 

[VEVAK]

LYou have no idea what Black projects Iran is working on or has worked on currently. So unless you have access to highly classified information stop making assumptions.

Iran needed an modern cockpit to train their new generation of fighters Koswar-1 (F-5 modernized) and Kowsar will do that. Iran’s Air Force pilots are aging! Iran needs fresh blood in order to fly the super fancy planes you want them to make or buy. Those pilots need to be trained with modern avionics unless you expect your super duper 6th gen airplane to have analog dials of a 1970’s aircraft!

Furthermore, Iran has already stated they are nearing production of an engine that has 4 times the power of J-85. That would mean an engine in the >50nt class. Again they wouldn’t be doing that IF THEY didn’t plan on making a bigger fighter.

Iran also announced they are building a heavy turbofan and turbojet engine for a heavy fighter. Again they wouldn’t do that if they weren’t planning on another fighter design outside of F-5.

You are right in that It’s quite clear Iran’s focus was not airforce in the last 20 years.

1) First priority was achieving credible military deterrence against enemies through ballistic missile production and cruise missiles. That took nearly 30 years to accomplish.

2) 2nd priority was upgrading and establishing a significant air defense network to protect the country. Also to cause further pain for any adversary that would want to attack it. That was accomplished and took nearly 20 years to accomplish (in some ways still ongoing with a Bavar 373 project not yet ready).

3) Iran’s 3rd priority will be to revive the airforce based on recent news in the last 5 years to upgrade the airforce. This more concentrated effort started back in 2007-2010 possibly.

So assuming another 20 year timetable, that would mean Iran has till 2030 to present its efforts in this area.

1st off Fighter Project IS NOT the priority today nor does it need to be a priority for Iran to conduct RD project and build working prototypes and to start building the tools needed for the production of a more capable fighter in the future!

2ndly As long as U.S. keeps on threatening us the ONLY priority Iran needs to have is 1.Mass production of precision guided Solid Fuel BM 2.Bulding Larger Diameter Liquid Fuel BM equipped with MIRV 3.Mass production of cruise Missile in high number from max ranges between 50-2000km 4.Mass production of various types of UAV's & UCAVs with secure com's & or increased automation 5.mass production of various SAM systems 6.Space Program & development of land based positioning systems 7.Production of a larger more capable Iranian Sub's....

And there would be a whole list of other project that come before the production of an Iranian fighter! But that doesn't change the fact that a fighter project doesn't need to be top priority for Iran's Defense industry for Iran's Air Force to work on the right fighter project for R&D which should have been top priority for the Air Force Airframe R&D in the past decade. The Human resources you'd be wasting towards designing and building a new CAS fighter would be the same human resources in the R&D project you would need towards a larger more capable fighter!

Just after Iran got a new Defense minister our new defense minister went on TV and announced that Iran had just started the "design phase" (on Paper) of a larger more capable Iranian fighter jet!!!!!!!!!! So it is not a state secret BUT it is something Iran's Air Force should have worked on for the past decade!

And the only Fighter engines Iran has been working on are attempts to reverse engineer the J-79 & RD-33 and license production of or co-production of the AL-222
And NONE of them are secrete projects.

But NONE of these explains why Iran's Airforce wasn't working on a larger more capable twin engine twin seat fighter in the past decade and why they don't have a working prototype using current engines by now nor does it explain Iran's obsession with CAS fighters in a country the size of Iran!

FYI By 2025 the Russians plan on starting serial production of a replacement for the MiG-31 that will be a high altitude Mach 4 6th gen fighter equipped with lasers which will make most SAM missiles & Air to Air Missiles useless against them and more expensive high altitude, high speed SAM that could reach them would have to be deployed in large numbers to overwhelm the lasers on these fighters

So by 2038 (20 years from now) the type of platform Iran needs to be taking into production would be something similar to what the Russians plan on producing in the next 7 years or else there would be no point producing them at all!

Which means Iranian Air Force generals have their heads stuck in the sand because if they didn't Iran would have been testing larger working prototypes and I'm NOT talking about Production models that require large investments on the part of the Iranian government! I'm talking about the Air Force using it's own personal, tools and facilities towards building airframes using cheaper materials used in prototypes and engines they already have in stock and conducting R&D in building newer and larger diameter engines for a future fighter to be produced 20 years from now and building massive vacuum chambers that would be a necessity for fighter production in the future

 

[WinterNights]

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Just after Iran got a new Defense minister our new defense minister went on TV and announced that Iran had just started the "design phase" (on Paper) of a larger more capable Iranian fighter jet!!!!!!!!!! So it is not a state secret BUT it is something Iran's Air Force should have worked on for the past decade!

Do you have a link for this? This current DM confirmed the design of a heavy fighter?

 

[Cthulhu]

This new ejection seat that they unveiled, Is there a complete video footage of it's tests?

 

[TheImmortal]

1st off Fighter Project IS NOT the priority today nor does it need to be a priority for Iran to conduct RD project and build working prototypes and to start building the tools needed for the production of a more capable fighter in the future!

2ndly As long as U.S. keeps on threatening us the ONLY priority Iran needs to have is 1.Mass production of precision guided Solid Fuel BM 2.Bulding Larger Diameter Liquid Fuel BM equipped with MIRV 3.Mass production of cruise Missile in high number from max ranges between 50-2000km 4.Mass production of various types of UAV's & UCAVs with secure com's & or increased automation 5.mass production of various SAM systems 6.Space Program & development of land based positioning systems 7.Production of a larger more capable Iranian Sub's....

And there would be a whole list of other project that come before the production of an Iranian fighter! But that doesn't change the fact that a fighter project doesn't need to be top priority for Iran's Defense industry for Iran's Air Force to work on the right fighter project for R&D which should have been top priority for the Air Force Airframe R&D in the past decade. The Human resources you'd be wasting towards designing and building a new CAS fighter would be the same human resources in the R&D project you would need towards a larger more capable fighter!

Just after Iran got a new Defense minister our new defense minister went on TV and announced that Iran had just started the "design phase" (on Paper) of a larger more capable Iranian fighter jet!!!!!!!!!! So it is not a state secret BUT it is something Iran's Air Force should have worked on for the past decade!

And the only Fighter engines Iran has been working on are attempts to reverse engineer the J-79 & RD-33 and license production of or co-production of the AL-222
And NONE of them are secrete projects.

But NONE of these explains why Iran's Airforce wasn't working on a larger more capable twin engine twin seat fighter in the past decade and why they don't have a working prototype using current engines by now nor does it explain Iran's obsession with CAS fighters in a country the size of Iran!

FYI By 2025 the Russians plan on starting serial production of a replacement for the MiG-31 that will be a high altitude Mach 4 6th gen fighter equipped with lasers which will make most SAM missiles & Air to Air Missiles useless against them and more expensive high altitude, high speed SAM that could reach them would have to be deployed in large numbers to overwhelm the lasers on these fighters

So by 2038 (20 years from now) the type of platform Iran needs to be taking into production would be something similar to what the Russians plan on producing in the next 7 years or else there would be no point producing them at all!

Which means Iranian Air Force generals have their heads stuck in the sand because if they didn't Iran would have been testing larger working prototypes and I'm NOT talking about Production models that require large investments on the part of the Iranian government! I'm talking about the Air Force using it's own personal, tools and facilities towards building airframes using cheaper materials used in prototypes and engines they already have in stock and conducting R&D in building newer and larger diameter engines for a future fighter to be produced 20 years from now and building massive vacuum chambers that would be a necessity for fighter production in the future

You fail to follow the trail of bread crumbs.

Nobody knew Iran was capable of building a nuclear program so vast in 2003.

Nobody knew that from 1998 Shahab 3 No dong variant that in less than a decade an 100% iranian design solid fuel Sejill missile would be developed.

Iran has shown you Sofreh Mahi manned fighter design (and a unmanned bomber design), which if you compare to US Skunkworks 6th gen fighter concept they are very similar in design.

Iran has announced a heavy fighter project. There are rumors of at least 2 other fighter projects in the past decade.

The efforts you currently see and ridicule are made to keep Iran’s current fleet of fighters viable till at least 2030.

Even iran knows that come 2030-2035, even the F-14’s will become too cumbersome to maintain, so the finish line is somewhere around there.

If you search the news, in the last 5 years you will see Iranian attempt to get their hands on F-35 engine blueprints.

You have to ask yourself, WHY?

If Iran is as backwards, stupid, naive, antiquated as you say...what would they want with the blueprints of an F-35 engine?

That would be like giving a Ferrari engine to an 18th century farmer.

So obviously Iran has a desire for that engine, for something.

The issue you fail to grasp is that Iran news is a controlled state. Iran is a vast country physically. Iran could easily test prototypes and no soul would know.

Certainly US intelligence and foreign intelligence are not diverting resources focusing on what fighters Iran is developing. Even if they found anything it would never make it to the press, as it doesn’t serve their propaganda war machine.

You just need to wait to see what Iran’s plans are in this area.

The easiest example to show you is Iran’s Air defense progression.

Circa 2000, Iran had THE WEAKEST AIR DEFENSE in the Middle East. Syria and Libya both had stronger air defenses.

Iran’s Air defense systems much like their airforce was full of 1960-1970’s Shah era systems.

There was no unified air defense network. Radar points were abysmal and blind spots were everywhere.

Iran made its first major air defense purchase in ~2005 when it bought the TOR-M1’s from Russia.

Little did most people know that was a stop gap measure. Iran had significant air defense systems in development (Talash, 3rd Khordad, etc) except they wouldn’t be ready for another 7-10 years.

Iran needed a stop gap in case war broke out over the nuclear program before then.

My point is, Iran fields some of the most advanced radars, air defense missile systems, etc. One of the few countries to have very long range EW radars and OTH radars.

Yet less than 15 years ago, Iran had the air defense system of a historical military museum collector.

 

[Sineva]

I do not know . It's similar to the F-4, but it can not be the j7 because of the radar and the nose of the fighters.

Probably one of the old mig23s from iraq.

 

[VEVAK]

You fail to follow the trail of bread crumbs.

Nobody knew Iran was capable of building a nuclear program so vast in 2003.

Nobody knew that from 1998 Shahab 3 No dong variant that in less than a decade an 100% iranian design solid fuel Sejill missile would be developed.

Iran has shown you Sofreh Mahi manned fighter design (and a unmanned bomber design), which if you compare to US Skunkworks 6th gen fighter concept they are very similar in design.

Iran has announced a heavy fighter project. There are rumors of at least 2 other fighter projects in the past decade.

The efforts you currently see and ridicule are made to keep Iran’s current fleet of fighters viable till at least 2030.

Even iran knows that come 2030-2035, even the F-14’s will become too cumbersome to maintain, so the finish line is somewhere around there.

If you search the news, in the last 5 years you will see Iranian attempt to get their hands on F-35 engine blueprints.

You have to ask yourself, WHY?

If Iran is as backwards, stupid, naive, antiquated as you say...what would they want with the blueprints of an F-35 engine?

That would be like giving a Ferrari engine to an 18th century farmer.

So obviously Iran has a desire for that engine, for something.

The issue you fail to grasp is that Iran news is a controlled state. Iran is a vast country physically. Iran could easily test prototypes and no soul would know.

Certainly US intelligence and foreign intelligence are not diverting resources focusing on what fighters Iran is developing. Even if they found anything it would never make it to the press, as it doesn’t serve their propaganda war machine.

You just need to wait to see what Iran’s plans are in this area.

The easiest example to show you is Iran’s Air defense progression.

Circa 2000, Iran had THE WEAKEST AIR DEFENSE in the Middle East. Syria and Libya both had stronger air defenses.

Iran’s Air defense systems much like their airforce was full of 1960-1970’s Shah era systems.

There was no unified air defense network. Radar points were abysmal and blind spots were everywhere.

Iran made its first major air defense purchase in ~2005 when it bought the TOR-M1’s from Russia.

Little did most people know that was a stop gap measure. Iran had significant air defense systems in development (Talash, 3rd Khordad, etc) except they wouldn’t be ready for another 7-10 years.

Iran needed a stop gap in case war broke out over the nuclear program before then.

My point is, Iran fields some of the most advanced radars, air defense missile systems, etc. One of the few countries to have very long range EW radars and OTH radars.

Yet less than 15 years ago, Iran had the air defense system of a historical military museum collector.

NONSESE!!!!!!!!!Who say's Iran's 1st major Air Defense purchase post revolution was the Tor M1?

SA-2, SA-6, SA-5, HQ-7, SA-11.... Were all purchased in the 10 Years prior to the purchasing of the Tor systems BEFORE AHMADINEJAD & DURRING Rafzanjani & Khatami presidency and they were purchased in far greater numbers! So your making up NONSESE!
The largest Air Defense purchase for Iran came mainly after the fall of the Soviet Union....
Tor's are short ranged mobile Air Defense systems nothing more!

And how does saying Iran's Air Force has been slacking when it comes to Air Frame development = to saying Iran is a backward country??? Iran's problem is NOT technology!

As I have said repeatedly Iran is FULLY capable of building a platform comparable to the Mirage IV and Iran is clearly capable of equipping such a platform with Avionics, Weapons Systems and Sensors far superior to what you see on the Kowsar.

And the Kowsar avionics pkg are one thing and making the decision to take an absurdly useless PLATFORM like the Kowsar or F-5 into production is another!

Iranian engineers have developed a modern indigenous INS system, MFD's with sensor fused technology, an advanced Iranian weapons systems, sensor and Avionics..... all digitized, all capable of handing high G's & high latitudes,.... And you wanna waist $7Million USD worth of modern upgrades on an F-5 platform who wouldn't be able to cross the Persian Gulf and hit most costal targets on the other side of the Persian Gulf with 2 1000lb bombs.

So why would I try to fool myself and praise a "Platform" that is truly not worth the praise especially at Iran's level of technology?

Do you think Americans that criticize the F-35 hate their country or think their country is backwards? NO! Criticism when rightly deserved is healthy ESPCIALLY in a domestic defense industry! And I have no problem praising weapon systems that deserve to be praised like
Iran's Simorgh UAV, Saegheh UAV, Sh-129, Fatteh-110, Zolfaghar, Khorramsharh, Fateh sub, Talash, Sayad 3C, Bavar, the long list of ISW Iran is producing....

But if you were to compare every branch of Iran's Military, Iran's Air Force stands out as the weakest link in terms of R&D and the development of new platforms and that has NOTHING to do with priorities!

Iran's Army & IRGC Ground Forced in the past 20 years have developed a wide array of weapons and new platforms for their ground force and the list is endless!
Iran's Army Aviation even stunned the Russians when they inspected Iran's PANHA facilities (They were so stunned that they couldn't understand why Iran wasn't already mass producing +10 passenger Helos)
Iran's Air Defense accomplishments from the moment they separated from the Air Force has stunned year after year
Iran's Navy has not only reverse engineered and upgraded the most advanced warship in Iran's fleet but today Iran is building it's own subs, designing it's own ships and is by far a more capable force than they were prior to the revolution.
IRGC Aerospace forces make advancements year after year with newer more capable missiles & UAV's and rather than kicking the downed Jet powered RQ-170 to the Air Force to reverse engineer it was mainly the IRGC's R&D division that took responsibility for it's Airframe....

Now knowing all this why wouldn't I criticize the Air Force for coming up short again in terms of platform and powerplant development when for well over a decade they have been stuck on one of the worst supersonic fighter platforms Iran has had in it's fleet(In terms of capability)?

And lack of proper R&D in the Airforce has NOTHING to do with the Iranian governments priorities!!!!!!!!
If the Air Force had done it's job properly in the past 20 years and had Reversed Engineered an upgraded version of the F-14 and or a Supersonic Bomber which do you think would have been more of a priority for the Iranian government today 1.Building a handful of MowJ class Frigates for the Navy or 2.Producing an upgraded version of the F-14 & or bomber.

The answer is clear! And the fault is with command NOT technology!

Do you have a link for this? This current DM confirmed the design of a heavy fighter?

If you go to YouTube and find his videos it was one of the 1st interviews he gave on Iranian TV.
I'm not sure if it's still posted but if I find it I'll post it for you....

 

[sanel1412]

I do not know . It's similar to the F-4, but it can not be the j7 because of the radar and the nose of the fighters.

Those aircraft are prepared for avio-transport or transported to that airfield recently,they have removed half wing to require less space...I would say it is J-7 since I reckognize tail and wings have delta shape ..because aircrafts have removed half a wing looks strange and misproportional
EDIT
I have correct myself,closer look shows non-delta wing and nose ..thus tail looks.like arrow only because F4 have tail fins under certain angle and this is F4s...since they removed half of the wings and aircrafts are literally under the wings of transport planes.... this fact about transportation still apply and if I remember correctly they don't even have to remove half of tje wings to load aircrafts...F4 wings can be simple switched/folded....like on most carrier fighter aircrafts

 

[pin gu]

Here it comes

**تسنیم: سردار حاجی زاده گفته بودند که خلبانان عراقی را برای پرواز با هواپیمای سوخو 25 طی 10 روز آموزش دادیم. برای ما بفرمایید که این کار چگونه انجام شد و شیوه استاندار این آموزش چه مدت طول می‌کشد؟

-سردار فرزادی پور: خلبانان عراقی از سال 1991 عملا پرواز نکرده بودند و این فاصله زیاد و طولانی نیازمند طی یک دوره چند ماهه برای بروز رسانی خلبانان بود. اما در آن زمان حضور جنگنده‌های سوخو 25 برای مقابله با داعش یک الزام و ضرورت بود که با توجه به شرایط موجود، آموزش خلبانان عراقی برنامه ریزی و در حدود 10 روز انجام شد. می‌توانیم بگوییم این شیوه آموزش و آماده سازی در این مدت کوتاه بی‌نظیر است.





** آیا این خلبانان بلافاصله پس از ورود به عراق کار عملیاتی انجام دادند؟

-سردار فرزادی پور: بله روز دوم یا سوم بود که وسایل به عراق منتقل شده بود که این خلبانان کار عملیاتی انجام دادند و همین اقدام موجب شد تا با عملیات ترکیبی زمینی و هوایی، بغداد از محاصره داعش آزاد شود.

ما در حوزه تعمیراتی و پشتیبانی هم کمک‌های مستشاری به عراق ارائه کردیم ولی تمام پروازها و اقدامات عملیاتی در عراق را خود خلبانان عراقی انجام دادند.

جنگنده‌های سوخو 25 به عراق واگذار شده است

** تسنیم:‌این جنگنده‌ها به طور کامل به عراق واگذار شدند یا هنوز تعدای از آنها در اختیار ما است؟

-سردار فرزادی پور: جنگنده‌های سوخو 25 به صورت کامل به عراق واگذار شدند و این اقدام براساس قراردادهای فی ما بین ایران و عراق انجام شده و تا زمانی که نیاز داشته باشند به آنها کمک مستشاری می‌کنیم اما سیاست سپاه و جمهوری اسلامی در واگذاری تخصص‌ها است نه نگهداری آنها. ما همزمان با انتقال تجهیزات تمام تلاش‌مان را کردیم که تخصص‌ها را هم به آنها انتقال دهیم و امیدواریم در آینده نزدیک آینده این کار به صورت کامل انجام شود.

** تسنیم: مقداری هم در خصوص اتفاقی که اخیرا در حوزه اورهال سوخو 22 افتاد بفرمایید؟

-سردار فرزادی پور: اقداماتی از این دست در نیروی هوافضای سپاه به لحظه در حال اتفاق افتادن است اما به خاطر ملاحظاتی رسانه‌ای نمی‌شود. ما در بخش‌های بسیار پیچیده و متفاوت ورود پیدا می‌کنیم اما مردم خوب ما از بسیاری از آنها مطلع نمی‌شوند.

کار در حوزه جنگنده سوخو 22 کار بسیار ویژه‌ای بود. بعد از 28 سال زمینگیر بودن این جنگنده، فرماندهی عملیات هوایی پای کار آمد و این جنگنده را عملیاتی کرد. البته یک ابهامی برای بعضی‌ها وجود دارد و آن اینکه که سوخو22 یک جنگنده نسل سوم و قدیمی است و چرا ما باید روی آن سرمایه گذاری کنیم و آن را به خدمت بگیریم؟

در این باره باید بگوییم که این جنگنده قابلیت‌های خوبی برای حمل مقدار قابل توجهی از مهمات را دارد. سرعت و ارتفاع پروازی و سایر ویژگی‌های این پرنده این اجازه را به ما می‌دهد که با اتکا به دانش داخلی و توانمندی‌ نیروهای خودمان بتوانیم از این جنگنده بهره برداری موثر کنیم.

** سوخو 22 می‌تواند 4 تُن مهمات هوشمند حمل کند

رویکرد ما در بکارگیری سوخو 22 استفاده از تسلیحات هوشمند و نقطه زن است ضمن آنکه این جنگنده می‌تواند 4 تن مهمات با خود حمل کند که اگر این میزان مهمات تبدیل به مهمات هوشمند و نقطه زن بشوند که شدند، کارایی این جنگنده را بسیار بالا می‌برد.

**تسنیم: تعامل شما با ارتش چگونه است؟

-سردار فرزادی‌پور: تعاملات ما با ارتش بسیار خوب است و در شهرهایی که پایگاه مشترک داریم از امکانات یکدگیر به صورت کاملا دوستانه و سازمانی استفاده می‌کنیم. در حوزه‌های تخصصی هم با عزیزان‌مان در ارتش جمهوری اسلامی همکاری‌های خوبی داریم.

انتهای پیام/

 

[VEVAK]

Do you have a link for this? This current DM confirmed the design of a heavy fighter?

Here is one of the interviews when he 1st took office & I also believe there is another one which I can't find

If you understand Farsi you can go 16:50m into the video if not a close enough translation would be :
Hatami: Airpower is one of the area's we need to put considerable effort towards, practically in terms of a Heavy Fighter jet it is an area we need to put more effort towards developing, which I have put forth and planed for...
Journalist: Have we worked on such a project before that we can further expand upon? Or is it a completely new project we plan to start
Hatami: We have started preliminary "research" on the project, The fact that we need to increase our Air Power and turn it on strategic force is clear to us....

Preliminary research is basically doing cost/benefit annalists on the platforms powerplant requirements, platforms payload requirements, weight & size requirements, range requirements, speed requirements, avionic & sensor requirements, RCS requirements, tools and raw material requirements for the production of the Airframe and various parts,.....
Which means if the Airforce had done it's job properly in the past decade they would already had two working prototypes to choose from using engines they already have in stock with detailed designs for a serial production model of the Airframe, they would have already built at least one large vacuumed chamber equipped with an oven and big enough to fit an F-14 in, they would have already built at least one massive vacuumed oven presses needed for building large bulkheads..... Iran's Airforce using it's own personal should have conducted R&D in metallurgy and composites using it's own personal....

 

[WinterNights]

Here is one of the interviews when he 1st took office & I also believe there is another one which I can't find

If you understand Farsi you can go 16:50m into the video if not a close enough translation would be :
Hatami: Airpower is one of the area's we need to put considerable effort towards, practically in terms of a Heavy Fighter jet it is an area we need to put more effort towards developing, which I have put forth and planed for...
Journalist: Have we worked on such a project before that we can further expand upon? Or is it a completely new project we plan to start
Hatami: We have started preliminary "research" on the project, The fact that we need to increase our Air Power and turn it on strategic force is clear to us....

Preliminary research is basically doing cost/benefit annalists on the platforms powerplant requirements, platforms payload requirements, weight & size requirements, range requirements, speed requirements, avionic & sensor requirements, RCS requirements, tools and raw material requirements for the production of the Airframe and various parts,.....
Which means if the Airforce had done it's job properly in the past decade they would already had two working prototypes to choose from using engines they already have in stock with detailed designs for a serial production model of the Airframe, they would have already built at least one large vacuumed chamber equipped with an oven and big enough to fit an F-14 in, they would have already built at least one massive vacuumed oven presses needed for building large bulkheads..... Iran's Airforce using it's own personal should have conducted R&D in metallurgy and composites using it's own personal....

Thanks for finding it. I look forward to see what comes of this project. His words and tone were satisfying that they're now talking air force more seriously.

 

[TheImmortal]

Which means if the Airforce had done it's job properly in the past decade they would already had two working prototypes to choose from using engines they already have in stock with detailed designs for a serial production model of the Airframe, they would have already built at least one large vacuumed chamber equipped with an oven and big enough to fit an F-14 in, they would have already built at least one massive vacuumed oven presses needed for building large bulkheads..... Iran's Airforce using it's own personal should have conducted R&D in metallurgy and composites using it's own personal....

Oh I am sorry Vevak, I personally forgot you visited each Iranian military installation and verified Iran has no oven.

Good thing we have you on this board and your wealth of classified knowledge.

You can’t build a heavy fighter and stick a damn J-79 in it or an Rd-33 or a J-85.

So for Iran to build a heavy fighter they would need an engine with >80nt dry >100 nt afterburner which leaves just TWO possible engines that Iran has access too F-14 engine and possibly SU-24 engine the AL-21.

Iran needs something in the AL-31 class to be able to build a heavy fighter side (SU-35, F-14, F-22).

I assume Iran spent its earlier years trying to reverse engineer a less complex engine like J-85 before moving to J-79 and higher.

There is only A FEW countries in the world that can build their own heavy jet engines. China is still years behind Russia and US and they have a lot more experience and resources in this field than Iran will ever have.

 

[VEVAK]

Oh I am sorry Vevak, I personally forgot you visited each Iranian military installation and verified Iran has no oven.

Good thing we have you on this board and your wealth of classified knowledge.

You can’t build a heavy fighter and stick a damn J-79 in it or an Rd-33 or a J-85.

So for Iran to build a heavy fighter they would need an engine with >80nt dry >100 nt afterburner which leaves just TWO possible engines that Iran has access too F-14 engine and possibly SU-24 engine the AL-21.

Iran needs something in the AL-31 class to be able to build a heavy fighter side (SU-35, F-14, F-22).

I assume Iran spent its earlier years trying to reverse engineer a less complex engine like J-85 before moving to J-79 and higher.

There is only A FEW countries in the world that can build their own heavy jet engines. China is still years behind Russia and US and they have a lot more experience and resources in this field than Iran will ever have.

1st off you don't know me! So don't automatically make assumption!

2ndly You assumptions about the engines are inaccurate!
As I keep telling you Iran is FULLY capable of building an Airframe far superior than the Mirage IV and in terms of engines Iranian J79 are more powerful than the engines of the Mirage IV in terms of overall thrust so a J-79 or an RD-33 will be sufficient to accommodate Iran's needs for the next two decades!

In terms of engines if Iran ever develops the technology to build RD-33's using domestic raw materials it would mean Iran technologically would be able to build high thrust turbines capable of withstanding temperatures higher than 2500 degrees Fahrenheit and more capable afterburners and once that happens producing a more powerful engine like the TF-30 will be a peace of cake aside from that Iran could with a few adjustments made in materials and design turn the J-79 that has a turbine inlet temp of under 1800F (Similar to J85's) into a far more powerful Turbojet engine that would NOT require fans that need to run at a much lower RPM's than the compressors


In terms of design because the F-4 was built so it could be adjusted to takeoff from carriers and since Iran doesn't have a carrier Iran could build a far superior design (Than the F-4) using J79's(Or RD-33's) capable of carrying more fuel than the F-4 that will be sufficient for Iran for the next two decades!

So the best platform for Iran is a large Delta Wing design about the size of the Mirage IV (In terms of length) equipped with an internal weapons bay & capable of delivering up to 16x 1000lb bombs at least 1000km away without refueling.... Allowing a modified interceptor version to carry a good number of Fakour missiles.....

Iran's advancements in Nanotechnology and composites will allow Iran to further reduce the empty weight of the aircraft compared to the F-4 or Mirage IV allowing for better thrust to weight ratio
Iran's advancements in Laser technology will allow Iran to develop laser countermeasures if motivated to do so within the next 5 years removing the requirement for a high maneuvering platform on a +9G Airframe

Iran's advancements in sensors and optics will allow Iran to better equip a force multiplier with various more expensive sensors, weapons systems and countermeasures because it would far more cost effective to put over $20 Million USD worth of Sensors, Avionics, com's & countermeasures on a force multiplier capable of delivering 16X 1000lb bombs to targets well over 1000km away without refueling $50 Million USD Airframe as appose to $7Million worth of Avionics on a $10 Million USD platform that could barely deliver 2 1000lb bombs to a targets less than half that range.

Also a large enough twin seat, twin engine supersonic platform will allow Iran to focus on and put most of it's efforts and funding towards a single platform & a single powerplant allowing for increased production at reduced costs and a large enough platform could be made to meet most of the needs of Iran's Air Force allowing Iran to replace all it's supersonic fighter with a single platform

 

[TheImmortal]

So the best platform for Iran is a large Delta Wing design about the size of the Mirage IV (In terms of length) equipped with an internal weapons bay & capable of delivering up to 16x 1000lb bombs at least 1000km away without refueling.... Allowing a modified interceptor version to carry a good number of Fakour missiles.....

First of all you EITHER make a ground attack fighter OR an interceptor. YOU DONT MAKE IT BOTH OR IT WONT BE GOOD AT EITHER! They are fundamentally different types of airplanes it’s like F-14 being an F-4 and vice versa.

Second if the primary intention is to carry 16 bombs and attack targets far away from home, why have an internal bay? Are you just trying to name things for you Hollywood Fighter to have so it’s sounds “advanced”?

Furthermore isn’t the J-79 a dirty *** engine? Is that really fit for 5th gen fighter?

Your idea of an “internal weapon” bay to reduce RCS won’t mean much when the absurd heat signature of your J-79 engines gives your plane away to any modern air defense systems.

Not to mention a fully loaded Mirage fighter design type would have a RCS of between 9-12m2 based on info I have found. So your planes would be lighting up radars like a damn Christmas tree.

So assuming you want your fighter to penetrate heavily contested airspace (Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Arab Emirates) the plane would need ANOTHER plane to escort it through dense radar areas.

The survivability of this aircraft is in question.