Saif al-Arab
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You are unable to reply to my posts as usual so you resort to trolling or writing absurdities. In this case resorting to ad hominem arguments.
Can you please show me where I have ever said that all 450 million Arabs share the exact same ideas? Do all 80 million Iranians share the exact same ideas? In short are you insane or just trolling heavily?
The fact is that Arabs share much more in common than the opposites. Starting from a common ancient Semitic/Hamitic/Arab/Islamic/modern-day history to religion (Islam, Christianity and Judaism = all 3 Abrahamic/Semitic religions), language, culture to a very large extent, cuisine, geography, climate, landmass (you can travel from Morocco to Oman by car and never leave the Arab world) etc. The list is very, very long.
Just like Iranians, despite belonging to different ethnic groups and speaking different languages, have much more in common with each other than foreigners. This is hardly a secret and common sense. Yet you somehow cannot comprehend it the other way around.
The relations between Arabs people to people are also mostly excellent evident of the Arab diaspora in Latin America (between 30-40 million people), USA (3.5 million), Europe (10-12 million) etc.
Of course as an Iranian (foreigner) you won't understand this.
Can you mention any conflicts between Arab nations other than Saddam's invasion of Kuwait in August 1990 which lasted 2 days and killed less than 5000 people in total, the Sand War between Morocco and Algeria in October 1963 which killed 350 people, The Libyan-Egyptian War of July 1977 which killed less than 500 people and finally the Yemeni CIVIL WAR where Nasser played a big role?
4 of those 5 conflicts are bound in the Arab Cold War and where done by regimes, most often unelected.
Arab Cold War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What you see today are purely civil wars fueled by outsiders. Not Arab-Arab wars.
Saudi Arabia's intervention in Yemen is not a war against Yemen but the Houthi terrorist cult.
Meanwhile Kurds in Iran (PJAK) have killed 30.000 Iranians (much more than all Arab-Arab wars combined in the past 100 years) let alone Iranian MKO who have killed over 15.000 Iranians or Baloch separatists who have killed 1000's of Iranians since 1979.
Kurdish separatism in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Also do I need to tell you that closely related/neighboring EUROPEAN nations killed 60 MILLION of each other just between WW1 and WW2? Or should I remind you of how Slavic people in Europe from the Balkans 20 years go to Eastern Ukraine today have been slaughtering each other in the millions since time immortal?
No comparison at all but of course this fits your fabricated narrative.
This is in 2008 in Tehran with Sheikh of Dubai,
Sultan Qaboos of Oman was the first ruler to visit Iran after Ahmadenijad's re-election
Qatar Emir in Iran
What's the point of those photos? You can find similar photos between Saudi Arabian and Iranian leaders taken since 1979.
Besides Ahmadinejad was never hostile against Arab people (from what I recall) and apparently his own mother was a Sayyida.
Besides I was the one who first mentioned the irony of Iran having closer relations to the GCC (in terms of business/economy) than any of its neighbors (despite demonizing it in its Mullah controlled media), that the biggest Iranian diaspora after the US is found in the GCC or that quite a few locals have partial Iranian (either Iranian Arab, Lur or Persian) ancestry. Much more than elsewhere in the Arab world where virtually nobody has ancestral ties to Iran.
Nor have I written anywhere that Arab countries should have no business relations with Iran so I am not sure what your point is?
I am just pointing the hypocrisy out.
Iran is not the biggest trading partner of any Arab nation, the Arab diaspora in Iran is not the second biggest Arab diaspora in the world nor do Iranians, for instance like Brazilians, have over 10 million people of Arab descent although the Arab community in Iran is significant.
Last time I saw the Arab world (more specifically the GCC) is not creating proxies in Iran either. Nor is the GCC trying to export a religious revolution to Iran.
By your logic KSA should simply accept that it's backyard (Yemen) should be overrun by a hostile terrorist militia that wants to destroy KSA? Sounds logical. Is it really a surprise for you that Arab nations "meddle" or intervene in the Arab world? In this case a neighboring country where its president asked for assistance and which 20 out of 22 Arab nations in the Arab League supported?
I was not talking about the recent diaspora which do not have citizenship but the ones which have been migrating since forever (for millenniums) and in particular in the past 3 centuries. Those which have distant either Iranian Arab, Persian or Lur ancestry.
You might not be aware of it but similar migrations from Eastern Arabia and elsewhere in Arabia + Iraq took place in Southern Iran.
So it went both ways.
Also there is no nationality in the GCC which is simply sending so-called low skilled workers. Everyone is contributing in his or her way.
In 1980 when the war started Iraq was one of the richest if not the richest country in the MENA region. They did not need any money. The support for Saddam first arrived when Khomeini 2 years into the war (if I recall) refused a ceasefire. Besides the Khomeini regime was from day 1 against the GCC monarchies due to their closeness with the West. King Faisal wrote a letter where he extended his hand when Khomeini took power but it was largely ignored.
Khomeini and his establishment were openly talking about conquering Makkah and Madinah too. There are a few famous quotes from him in that time period one involving him saying a lot of nonsense.
"The Islamic and non-Islamic powers of the world will not admit our power till such time that we establish our hold over Makkah and Madinah because these are the centers and citadels of Islam. Hence our domination over these places Is an essential requirement ... when as a conqueror I will enter Makkah and Madinah, the first thing to be done at that time by me would be to dig out two idols (Abu Bakr and Umar) lying by the side of the Prophet's grave."
Also did you really expect the GCC not to support a neighboring Arab country where the relations (for once in the modern-era, since the fall of Faisal II in 1958) where somehow cordial against the expansionist Mullah's of Iran? If the Shah had ruled the GCC would have probably remained neutral and urged both sides to calm down.
Besides at that point Saddam was just another dictator in the MENA region. This was long before most of his crimes. In fact many in the West praised him for being an enlightened ruler. He had good ties with the Soviet Union too back then.
I can understand a lot of written Persian (for obvious reasons) but far from fluent obviously. I really doubt that it is as bad as the ENGLISH version of PressTV. Al-Arabiya English hardly ever post outright lies about Iran. There is more propaganda in Iran on this front. You have to admit that.
I am not against cordial ties either but it requires a regime change in Iran or changes in the GCC and then Iranian meddling to end in certain Arab conflict zones.
Other than that I see no reason why the GCC and Iran cannot have close business relations or friendly ties people to people.
From what I have read people of Ahwaz, Southern Iran etc. have many similarities with the people of the GCC, especially in Eastern Arabia.
I have told it many times and I think that I can speak for most Arabs when I say that I have no problem with Iranians or Iran other than the current regimes and anti-Arab Iranians.
I struggle to see why I should dislike Iranian Arabs, Armenian Iranians, Baloch, Turkmens, Kurds, Azeris, Persians from Bandar Abbas, Bushehr or the Khorasan region as long as they don't dislike me for simply being an Arab. Especially as I don't care about sect. Those engulfed in sectarianism (on both sides) hate their own brethren just because they happen to belong to a different sect or have different political views. I am not part of that camp and have never been or will be. On the other hand my impression is that a large percentage of the Iranian psyche/identity, especially the nationalistic one, evolves around hating Arabs due to events that occurred 1400 years ago. That is almost non-existent the other way around.
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