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People forgot to notice video's of fridges being boobytrapped in Tikrit. Once you open the door the bomb would go off, this is why some fridges were taken in trucks for detonation outside the city.



That's not true, Abadi is doing a good job by working closely with the US. There is no regional power which has a non Islamist leadership. All of them have an agenda which will turn Iraq into a proxy battleground. Only US presence can deter them from that which is why the US can be beneficial. Say Abadi allied with Iran against the US/Gulf, what do you think others will do ? Pour in arms en masse like in Syria and no one could stop it. Only the US is currently deterring them from doing so openly and on a large scale, if not for them they would do it. Iran would do so as well and the result will be hell.

Not the US, it's Obama which is not willing to intensify assistance whereas for example John Boehner from GOP states the US should do more sending forward advisors and forward air controllers. Forward advisors & forward air controllers would have a big impact as IA/PMF units lack quality battlefield leaders. You can see this with Abrams tanks being lost by being sent in area's tanks don't belong in (marshes,trenches with dense foliage making a perfect environment for ISIS ambush ) all due to poor decisions by the tank commander. Wouldn't have happened with forward advisors.

Not that everything the US did has been good, after all they're the ones imposing inclusiveness which means many terrorists in parliament in the army but to drop them and ally with a neighbor will have far worse consequences. Allied with the Arabs means the entire Iranian front becomes hostile whilst this country has weak armed forces, allied with Iran means groups like Kataib Hezbollah will grow and be used for external wars, that will allow the US and others to bomb the country. Hence i'm in favor of larger US presence, we cannot trust local politicians neither any neighbors. All of them have plans which are to use this country for further regional wars. Maliki shouldn't have kicked out the US in 2011, none of this would've happened on such a scale if he extended the SOFA. This country will need at least 10 years of foreign military presence to deter others before it can stand alone again, and I think Syria will have the same afterwards if they're left on their own they'll be kicked around by the region whoever rules it.
Well, you could call Iranian influence (backed militias) a necessary evil for now. Since nobody else can provide boots on the ground to combat ISIS right now. But I agree, Iraq needs a 'no problems with neighbours' policy. It's really at the middle of the sunnia shia thing sadly. But however it's spinned, Iran and Iraq are joined at the hip. The only shia majority nations in the middle east. If S hits the fan, it's only those two nations.

Now as for some practical questions. Did you read about Abadi's visit to Washington? Was he or was he NOT turned down the weapons 'wishlist' he had? F16's (why aren't they being delivered yet, it's been 3-4 years now), apaches, perhaps even leased with us pilots. Abrams or other tanks are needed. And the biggest question I have: do Iraqis have ATGM's?? I see the Kurds blowing up dozens of suicide trucks every week, but sadly the Iraqis seem to have nothing and ISIS just blows them up. I thought Iraq had tons of Kornets. Doesn't the US allow European Milans to get into Iraqi hands? Or US TOW's?
 
That's not true, Abadi is doing a good job by working closely with the US. There is no regional power which has a non Islamist leadership. All of them have an agenda which will turn Iraq into a proxy battleground. Only US presence can deter them from that which is why the US can be beneficial. Say Abadi allied with Iran against the US/Gulf, what do you think others will do ? Pour in arms en masse like in Syria and no one could stop it. Only the US is currently deterring them from doing so openly and on a large scale, if not for them they would do it. Iran would do so as well and the result will be hell.

Not the US, it's Obama which is not willing to intensify assistance whereas for example John Boehner from GOP states the US should do more sending forward advisors and forward air controllers. Forward advisors & forward air controllers would have a big impact as IA/PMF units lack quality battlefield leaders. You can see this with Abrams tanks being lost by being sent in area's tanks don't belong in (marshes,trenches with dense foliage making a perfect environment for ISIS ambush ) all due to poor decisions by the tank commander. Wouldn't have happened with forward advisors.

Not that everything the US did has been good, after all they're the ones imposing inclusiveness which means many terrorists in parliament in the army but to drop them and ally with a neighbor will have far worse consequences. Allied with the Arabs means the entire Iranian front becomes hostile whilst this country has weak armed forces, allied with Iran means groups like Kataib Hezbollah will grow and be used for external wars, that will allow the US and others to bomb the country. Hence i'm in favor of larger US presence, we cannot trust local politicians neither any neighbors. All of them have plans which are to use this country for further regional wars. Maliki shouldn't have kicked out the US in 2011, none of this would've happened on such a scale if he extended the SOFA. This country will need at least 10 years of foreign military presence to deter others before it can stand alone again, and I think Syria will have the same afterwards if they're left on their own they'll be kicked around by the region whoever rules it.

I didn't say Iraq should form an alliance with Iran, just focus on fighting IS instead of listening to outsiders spreading bs against PMF. That 'inclusiveness' you said has killed many Iraqi army and PMF troops, it's not a small matter.

Iran hasn't asked Iraq for anything, neither for 'influence' nor for any political pay back. We were the first who started sending arms to Iraq (to all groups including even Kurds) when U.S was playing Iraq over giving even helicopters and missiles, let alone F-16s. I won't even mention Gulf countries and their role.

There is too much bs being spread against PMF/Shia forces, look at Ramadi and Anbar now, they same terrorists who allied with IS once are now asking for PMF to kick their IS brethren out.

Of course I don't claim that Iran does it all for Iraq itself. Defeating Daesh is in our interest, but it's certainly not in interest of some certain countries.

No matter how much others whine about Iran's role in Iraq, we will help Iraq as long Iraqi troops ask for it. The minute Iraq asks Iran to leave, we will do it and let Iraqis themselves fight Daesh. There is a reason why Abadi doesn't ask for it. It has nothing to do with 'causing trouble'. Abadi himself knows that without PMF, Iraqi army can't do much against Daesh and he knows Iran is actually helping IAF and PMF to fight IS.

And please, don't compare Iran's role in Iraq with rest of Gulf countries. We didn't force ourselves on Iraq, we helped a friend when it asked for it and we don't expect anything in return.

U.S is responsible for all this misery in first place, the fact that you still trust U.S amazes me. You don't even see how they are playing Iraq. Why aren't they giving the F16s or Apaches?

If U.S had toppled Saddam in 1991 instead of sanctioning Iraq to death, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis would be alive today, but I'm not going to tell you what's good for your country, and I wasn't implying any sort alliance with Iran, neither I said Iraq should replace U.S with Iran. I'm asking you to see the bigger picture. You know exactly what kind of nasty game U.S and Gulfies have played in Iraq. You may not like some of Iran's policies, but please don't tell me that Iran has 'other agendas'. We have respected Iraq's sovereignty all along.
 
Well, you could call Iranian influence (backed militias) a necessary evil for now. Since nobody else can provide boots on the ground to combat ISIS right now. But I agree, Iraq needs a 'no problems with neighbours' policy. It's really at the middle of the sunnia shia thing sadly. But however it's spinned, Iran and Iraq are joined at the hip. The only shia majority nations in the middle east. If S hits the fan, it's only those two nations.

Now as for some practical questions. Did you read about Abadi's visit to Washington? Was he or was he NOT turned down the weapons 'wishlist' he had? F16's (why aren't they being delivered yet, it's been 3-4 years now), apaches, perhaps even leased with us pilots. Abrams or other tanks are needed. And the biggest question I have: do Iraqis have ATGM's?? I see the Kurds blowing up dozens of suicide trucks every week, but sadly the Iraqis seem to have nothing and ISIS just blows them up. I thought Iraq had tons of Kornets. Doesn't the US allow European Milans to get into Iraqi hands? Or US TOW's?

F16's will be delivered in about 4 months according to some officials.

He requested foreign military aid which indirectly means arms, just like the US paid for a lot of Egypt's Abrams and F-16's, probably Apaches largely paid for by the US in foreign military aid in the sense that it's in their interests to stabilize the country. He didn't request sales otherwise that would be published in a DSCA sale request and I don't think they will buy Apaches anymore as the Mi-28 suits them better.

They have Kornet ATGM, there are many more video's of Iraqi troops blowing up IS suicide vechiles ( with ATGM ) but that doesn't reach headlines as much as when Kurds do it. Just compare the media exposure of Kobani/Ayn Al Arab with Tikrit whilst the coalition launched only ~25 strikes in Tikrit whereas over 600 strikes in Kobani, on top of that Tikrit is larger. Whenever IA and PMF stopped advancing in Tikrit the western media started their rant that they were failing.

I didn't say Iraq should form an alliance with Iran, just focus on fighting IS instead of listening to outsiders spreading bs against PMF. That 'inclusiveness' you said has killed many Iraqi army and PMF troops, it's not a small matter.

Iran hasn't asked Iraq for anything, neither for 'influence' nor for any political pay back. We were the one who started sending arms to Iraq (to all groups including even Kurds) when U.S was playing Iraq over giving even helicopters and missiles, let alone F-16s. I won't even mention Gulf countries and their role.

There is too much bs being spread against PMF/Shia forces, look at Ramadi and Anbar now, they same terrorists who allied with IS once are now asking for PMF back.

Of course I don't claim that Iran does it all for Iraq itself. Defeating Daesh is in our interest too, but it's certainly not in interest of some certain countries.

You can't focus on 1 thing and leave the US on a sideline, their airstrikes are important even though they could do a lot more if they really wanted them defeated quickly. PMF is there to counterweight the government army, that way they don't need to play by the rules of the corrupted constitution that goes by inclusiveness neither are they under centralized gov command which is full of IS apologists.

No matter how much others whine about Iran in Iraq, we will help Iraq as long Iraqi troops ask foe it. The minute Iraq asks Iran to leave, we will do it and let Iraqis themselves fight Daesh. There is a reason why Abadi doesn't ask for it. It has nothing to do with 'causing trouble'. Abadi himself knows that without PMF, Iraqi army can't do much against Daesh.

And please, don't compare Iran's role in Iraq with rest of Gulf countries. We didn't force ourselves on Iraq, we helped a friend when it asked for it and we don't expect paybacks.
PMF are mostly unaligned locals responding to the threat, aside from that you have AAH/KH groups but all of them work together. Of course they're essential, don't know what you mean with that, PMF are locals, Iran has a few advisors in the country and supplies arms to PMF.
Well they did force themselves since 2003 as they have their own interests of hegemony but not by aiding IS thus I have less issues with that, Gulf states instead spread propaganda in favor of IS and have funded them.

U.S is responsible for all this misery in first place, the fact that you still trust U.S amazes me. You don't even see how they are playing Iraq. Why aren't they giving the F16s or Apaches?

If U.S had topplled Saddam in 1991, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis would be alive today, but I'm not going to tell you what's good for you country, and I wasn't implying any sort alliance with Iran, neither I said Iraqi should replace U.S with Iran. I'm asking you to see the bigger picture. You know exactly what kind of nasty game U.S and Gulfies have played in Iraq.
I don't trust them i'm just saying currently weak Iraq needs their presence to prevent regional states from turning the country into their playground.

Imagine Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE without US troops, they would've been overrun a long time ago as Saddam did in 1990. Turkey during the cold war without NATO alliance wouldn't stand the Soviets, Iran wouldn't either without the large amounts of American weaponry they received. Similar story here.
 
You can't focus on 1 thing and leave the US on a sideline, their airstrikes are important even though they could do a lot more if they really wanted them defeated quickly. PMF is there to counterweight the government army, that way they don't need to play by the rules of the corrupted constitution that goes by inclusiveness neither are they under centralized gov command which is full of IS apologists.

Don't keep U.S on sidelines, but don't let them kill even more Iraqis with that 'inclusiveness' rubbish. Many of those tribes in Anbar and Ninevah should be executed, their elders, if you ask U.S, they will tell you to let them in government, those same terrorists who sheltered and supported IS.

PMF are mostly unaligned locals responding to the threat, aside from that you have AAH/KH groups but all of them work together. Of course they're essential, don't know what you mean with that, PMF are locals, Iran has a few advisors in the country and supplies arms to PMF.
Well they did force themselves since 2003 as they have their own interests of hegemony but not by aiding IS thus I have less issues with that, Gulf states instead spread propaganda in favor of IS and have funded them.
So Iran forced itself on Iraq, right? I don't have much to talk with you in this regard, you have already made your choice about what you want to believe.

I don't trust them i'm just saying currently weak Iraq needs their presence to prevent regional states from turning the country into their playground.

Imagine Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE without US troops, they would've been overrun a long time ago as Saddam did in 1990. Turkey during the cold war without NATO alliance wouldn't stand the Soviets, Iran wouldn't either without the large amounts of American weaponry they received. Similar story here.

While you are talking about U.S 'preventing' anything, you should remember that U.S is directly responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians. It's your choice to trust them or to think they won't play their own games with you, F-16s and Apaches are just the tip of iceberg. As I said, you have already made your choice. I don't say cut your relations with U.S, I'm just saying don't let them play with lives of Iraqis by their stupid lies and decisions.
 
F16's will be delivered in about 4 months according to some officials.

He requested foreign military aid which indirectly means arms, just like the US paid for a lot of Egypt's Abrams and F-16's, probably Apaches largely paid for by the US in foreign military aid in the sense that it's in their interests to stabilize the country. He didn't request sales otherwise that would be published in a DSCA sale request and I don't think they will buy Apaches anymore as the Mi-28 suits them better.

They have Kornet ATGM, there are many more video's of Iraqi troops blowing up IS suicide vechiles ( with ATGM ) but that doesn't reach headlines as much as when Kurds do it. Just compare the media exposure of Kobani/Ayn Al Arab with Tikrit whilst the coalition launched only ~25 strikes in Tikrit whereas over 600 strikes in Kobani, on top of that Tikrit is larger. Whenever IA and PMF stopped advancing in Tikrit the western media started their rant that they were failing.

Good. I hope the F-16s come fast. Iraq needs their pilots to gain experience and also it's army to learn to communicate directly with jets. Even if they're 'monkey models', the jets are more than enough to deal with Daesh. And good about the ATGM's. I didn't mean news articles, I meant videos seeing Iraqi/PMU's being overrun by VBIEDS and Kurds taking them out. I hope we see more of Iraqi warriors taking those Daesh VBIEDS out while in the vicinity of other Daeshbags.

PS: know anything about Abrams combat experience? I've read they are a pain in the as$ to maintain. Maybe a lot of t72s annd t90s would be a lot better to combat daeshbags? Less maintenance, more action? And curiously, I see very few Daesh with ATGMS? As opposed to other syrian armed groups with daily videos of ATGMS? Dank je wel man.
 
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So Iran forced itself on Iraq, right? I don't have much to talk with you in this regard, you have already made your choice about what you want to believe.

Are you trying to tell me they did nothing after 2003, they simply sat by and watched America intervene ? The cost of doing nothing would've been too big for them. If they'd do nothing post 2003 the result could be an Iraq allied to the US with heavy US military presence if Maliki extended the status of forces agreement which would be a threat to Iran. Same reason Syria under Bashar was sending armed groups into the country, they didn't want US presence on their borders.

I'm not speaking from emotions here, i've got enough knowledge on this subject.
Ask @Alshawi1234 if you want to hear it from others.

While you are talking about U.S 'preventing' anything, you should remember that U.S is directly responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians. It's your choice to trust them or to think they won't play their own games with you, F-16s and Apaches are just the tip of iceberg. As I said, you have already made your choice. I don't say cut your relations with U.S, I'm just saying don't let them play with lives of Iraqis by their stupid lies and decisions.
I'm aware of their crimes, ME states aren't innocent either.

You think I trust them to the full extent, that's not the case. I simply said cooperation with them is beneficial and IA needs their advise + training for many years to come. Also their presence will deter regional states which is a good thing for Iraq, say the US would disappear from Iraq what will happen ? More possibilities for Iran to intervene which is good for Iran but Iran is not a superpower to deter other regional states from doing the same which they would, the result of that would be what you see in Syria today. I'm sure you understand that I prefer not. The amount of vermin on the inside is more than enough to deal with, foreign Arab terrorists coming in en masse we don't need more of them.

I'm just saying don't let them play with lives of Iraqis by their stupid lies and decisions.
It's not just them it's the entire region playing with lives by using lies and Islam, if we didn't have true Muslims ( Ahlo Sunnah ) there wouldn't be any terrorism in this country like there isn't any terrorism in the south. Maybe they should change their religion, in Ramadi they are being killed by fellow Muslim brothers with Arab funding, I wonder whether they will wake up.

Some news
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Elijah J. Magnier @EjmAlrai · 9 hours ago
#ISF declared 279 #ISIS bodies counted inside #Baiji refinery; 500 #IEDs neutralized in #Baiji. No #ISIS inside refinery. #Iraq.



Elijah J. Magnier @EjmAlrai · 3 hours ago
#ISF is enlarging the security perimeter around #Ramadi pushing #ISIS away and killing many Jihadists. #Iraq.
 
@Antaréss

Sunni tribesmen fight their own people after breaking with Islamic State - Middle East - Stripes

Sunni tribal leader Nazhan Sakher rests inside a tent on the frontline in northern Iraq on April 20, 2015. When Islamic State militants swept across northern Iraq last summer, the Sunni al-Lehib tribe welcomed them as revolutionaries fighting the Shiite-led government in Baghdad. But less than a year later, the tribe is split between those who joined the extremist group and those resisting its brutal rule.

didn't I already say it's a Muslim-Muslim ( aka Sunni-Sunni ) war. Anyway as for Ramadi, the locals should thank the Maliki army as you call it and all Safavids who just prevented another massacre. Thousands of local police officers left whilst ISOF whom are mostly not even from Ramadi were left to defend the city on their own.

Compare that to Amirli where the local citizens including women and children took up arms to resist IS which they did successfully, see how easy the war would be if the locals who speak of karama and nishama all their life's wire their behinds together to take matters into their own hands.


Police personnel, residents return to Iraqi city of Ramadi as panic subsides - The Washington Post


Thousands of police officers and residents who fled Ramadi after an Islamic State offensive last week have begun to return home after reinforcements were dispatched to shore up the center of the western city, Iraqi military officials said Wednesday.

About 5,000 local police officers, nearly the entire force, had left their positions as fear engulfed the capital of Anbar province last week, according to Staff Maj. Gen. Mohammed Khalaf Saeed, acting head of Anbar Operations Command. At the height of the panic, just 1,000 security forces, including army and counterterrorism troops, were left to protect multiple front lines, he said.
 
marines in Anbar's Al-Asad airbase held a combined arms training exercise, I don't know if this is a joint training with local forces but it shows TOW and Javelin.

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Either regular training for defense from IS attacks or preparing to take the role of forward line advisors.
 

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