Iraqi Migs Repair

[rmi5]

I am not talking about UCAVs I am talking about UAVs to identify targets
also considering iraq barely has any actual troops on the ground to identify enemy for air support
they would still need UAVs

Yup, UAVs are important. I think they already have UAVs. Iran has also sent some additional UAVs for them. But, Iraqis do have troops on the ground as well what they lack is an air force and also trustable generals and officers.

 

[OCguy]

The governor of Nineveh, Al Nujafi was involved in it as well. Soldiers that were there spoke about it on camera. Suspicious things took place day before it happened, there are many pieces of information available, + in Arabic which you won't get, still you can get quite far without it anyway you won't so it's irrelevant. If you want to get the info yourself, if not then don't.

Nothing you have said so far contradicts what I said. The Iraqi army melted against a far inferior force, and that is more pressing than air toys.

What you are discussing looks to be the specifics of why the events unfolded how they did, but I never commented on those specifics, and it appears we agree on the premise.

 

[rmi5]

The governor of Nineveh, Al Nujafi was involved in it as well. Soldiers that were there spoke about it on camera. Suspicious things took place day before it happened, there are many pieces of information available, + in Arabic which you won't get, still you can get quite far without it anyway you won't so it's irrelevant. If you want to get the info yourself, if not then don't.

You are right. You also need to add betraying of ex-ba'th generals, which was not a surprise.

Nothing you have said so far contradicts what I said. The Iraqi army melted against a far inferior force, and that is more pressing than air toys.

Basically, they did not fight against terrorists at all. You may change your terminology here. I think betrayed is a better term than "melted", in this case.

 

[1000]

Nothing you have said so far contradicts what I said. The Iraqi army melted against a far inferior force, and that is more pressing than air toys.

What you are discussing looks to be the specifics of why the events unfolded how they did, but I never commented on those specifics, and it appears we agree on the premise.

Which is called, failure of command not soldiers afraid to face the enemy as you make it sound.

The issue here is in both the commanders, military structure and the way chain of command has been applied. If followed the right way treason or commanders deserting wouldn't result in a massive crisis with soldiers not knowing what to do. But that's not all that is to it, theres way more to it, they were given commands to retreat, commanders didn't just flee.

Things aren't quite clear due to the many conspiracy theories out there but a lot of information makes sense.

 

[OCguy]

Basically, they did not fight against terrorists at all. You may change your terminology here. I think betrayed is a better term than "melted", in this case.

Our terms are not mutually exclusive, meaning they can both apply at the same time.

So I stand by what I said that caused the original reply: The betrayal, melting, desertion, abandonment, or whatever term you want to use, by the Iraqi Army is far more important than worrying about fighter aircraft.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if the army "ran" away, or forgot to set their alarm and over-slept on the day of battle. The end result is the same. I never called the Iraqi soldiers cowards, that was how you interpreted it because you are defensive about it. Even Western media interviewed common infantry, and reported how ashamed of their command they were.

 

[Azeri440]

Yup, UAVs are important. I think they already have UAVs. Iran has also sent some additional UAVs for them. But, Iraqis do have troops on the ground as well what they lack is an air force and also trustable generals and officers.

what they lack is coordination
even war torn Syria manages to launch air strike in Iraq , really shows how bad the state is in Iraq

but hopefully with the help of US and Iraq's other allies they can deal with the enemy quickly

 

[forcetrip]

what they lack is coordination
even war torn Syria manages to launch air strike in Iraq , really shows how bad the state is in Iraq

but hopefully with the help of US and Iraq's other allies they can deal with the enemy quickly

US will not help them till they accept their Democracy. Maliki is going to raise his own unprofessional army and run over Iraq in the next 2 years. US will give in by next month and start targeting some elements of the ISIS.

 

[rmi5]

what they lack is coordination
even war torn Syria manages to launch air strike in Iraq , really shows how bad the state is in Iraq

but hopefully with the help of US and Iraq's other allies they can deal with the enemy quickly

Their problem is that their generals, and officers are betraying, and have more sympathy to enemy than Iraq. I hope Iraq's situation gets better sooner. I believe that even Iraqi army, with technical, and information assistance(provided by UAVs, foreign officers helps, ...) and a decent air support, and a reliable(not betraying) army can easily deal with these goons. About US help, I am not sure that it happens. Although US can still help them by giving them satellite info, and UAVs.

US will not help them till they accept their Democracy. Maliki is going to raise his own unprofessional army and run over Iraq in the next 2 years. US will give in by next month and start targeting some elements of the ISIS.

Army belongs to Iraq, not Maliki, and Maliki is already a democratically elected person. Most Iraqis are Shias who will obviously support him.

 

[forcetrip]

Their problem is that their generals, and officers are betraying, and have more sympathy to enemy than Iraq. I hope Iraq's situation gets better sooner. I believe that even Iraqi army, with technical, and information assistance(provided by UAVs, foreign officers helps, ...) and a decent air support, and a reliable(not betraying) army can easily deal with these goons. About US help, I am not sure that it happens. Although US can still help them by giving them satellite info, and UAVs.


Army belongs to Iraq, not Maliki, and Maliki is already a democratically elected person. Most Iraqis are Shias who will obviously support him.

Without a chain of command there is no army. The unfortunate fact is the remaining command is only around baghdad. irregular forces will be sent out to reclaim territory. Its real bad news for the sunnis of Iraq that fell for the honey pot. You can not regulate a professional muslim army properly in this world forget about trying to harness a muslim mob army.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

I would not be surprised if the U S puts a halt on the delivery of the F16's to iraq.

The iraqi prime minister had fired all the capable generals & colonels & replaced them with his own---forgot history--- ( iran ).

 

[Azeri440]

Their problem is that their generals, and officers are betraying, and have more sympathy to enemy than Iraq. I hope Iraq's situation gets better sooner. I believe that even Iraqi army, with technical, and information assistance(provided by UAVs, foreign officers helps, ...) and a decent air support, and a reliable(not betraying) army can easily deal with these goons. About US help, I am not sure that it happens. Although US can still help them by giving them satellite info, and UAVs.

George H.W. Bush aircraft carrier is in Persian Gulf and F-18s along with drones are tracking ISIL movement

 

[rmi5]

George H.W. Bush aircraft carrier is in Persian Gulf and F-18s along with drones are tracking ISIL movement

That's a good move if they give the intelligence(and also satellite intelligence) to Iraqis.

 

[Scorpion666]

Right now Iraq really needs an strong air force. I know that during Saddam's time There were lots of Mig 29s and Mig 25s and other Russian aircraft useful to the army. Some of them were dug up as they had been buried so they could be used again by Saddam. I also heard the a lot some parts of the air force were on standby and had aircrafts ready but no way of getting orders.

Also some of these aircrafts were shipped to the US so they could be researched. As Mig-25 with the Iraqis had the latest specs.

Why can't Iraq get Russian help to get some of the less damaged aircraft repaired and back into service?

Iraq does get revenue from oil, and foreign aid. I know Iraq will be getting F-16s but if the Migs can also be cheaply repaired that would be a great advantage.

maybe not all but at least a few...

Who will fly em ?? Even if repaired

 

[anHuman]

So it was a "tactical retreat"

It was a betrayal ... those general and high ranks officers was bought by ISIS ( or it's more accurate to say KSA bought them for ISIS )