Iraq partitioning

[IR-TR]

Sunni iraq will merge with sunni syria

G. Damn it, doesn't anybody read the first post? How will they survive the fact that they don't have any resources? That's my question. Is the GCC just going to pump them full of money? As if they don't have enough deficits. Me and my neighbour can 'merge', but if we're both dirt poor, then WTF?

its already is dione ..there is serious hatred amongst them on sectarian & ethinic lines both in Iraq and syria .. a lot of blood is spilt never in a million years they will join ranks again

Arabs don't think in terms of nations. Not even regions. They think tribally. The only thing that could bind them is security. Secterianism accomplishes that. Well played powers that be, well played.

 

[nForce]

Simple question, if Iraq gets partitioned along ethnic and sectarian lines (Kurds vs Arabs, Sunni vs Shia), what does the Sunni country look like? I mean they don't have any oil, so no future. Who will they then attack? Or will they just live on in peace? Without prosperity. The kurds are fortifying their are, like another Israel. What if the shia do the same? They have no enemy to the west, the kurds won't attack them once the 'disputed territories' are resolved, leaving only the Sunnis to deal with. That can be done through a hermetically sealed border. What will happen to the Sunni 6 million of Iraq?

IF that were to happen, not that I want to see it. WTF will the Sunnis do without any resources? Thanks in advance.

They will keep fighting for ever like India and Pakistan, North Vietnam and South Vietnam, North Korea and South Korea, until, one completely invades the other and takes control.

 

[IR-TR]

They will keep fighting for ever like India and Pakistan, North Vietnam and South Vietnam, North Korea and South Korea, until, one completely invades the other and takes control.

North and South Vietnam? You mean during the US war?

Shia Iraq has a population of over 20 million, Sunni Iraq barely 6 million. How will that be an 'equilibrium'? If the Sunnis don't find oil soon, they're F-ed real bad. A second Yemen (Arabs without oil).

 

[pak-marine]

Arabs don't think in terms of nations. Not even regions. They think tribally. The only thing that could bind them is security. Secterianism accomplishes that. Well played powers that be, well played.

Tribal thought process was probably back in the days current civil wars and unrest says otherwise .. IS domination of sunni areas , iraki pm and asad controlling shia majority areas and the kurds who control their lands ..not an expert though may be you can correct me if i am wrong some where

 

[IR-TR]

Tribal thought process was probably back in the days current civil wars and unrest says otherwise .. IS domination of sunni areas , iraki pm and asad controlling shia majority areas and the kurds who control their lands ..not an expert though may be you can correct me if i am wrong some where

No we're saying exactly the same thing. Arabs normally only tribally, but when entire sects start whacking each other, they fall in line with their sect (ISIS vs Shia). So now they think in sectarian terms, partition and when peace settles in, go back to tribal thinking, mostly in their own sect.

 

[revojam]

They can join Turkey Anatolia can easily absorb some 6 million sunni Arabs that way our borders will circle KRG from downwards and we will have landlock leverage on Kurds(just like Armenia) they will forever gonna be a landlocked country but also landlocked by us.Not the mention ending their dream to reaching Mediterrean Sea.This way even if they got world's biggest oil reserves it will be useless.

 

[Saho]

IS merged Western Iraq to Eastern Syria so the Kurds should consider merging North Iraq to North East Syria and leaving out Central South Iraq for the Shias and Iran. Solved?

Most of the oilfields in Syria are located in the East (i.e Deir Ezzor) and what about Baiji in North West Iraq? They're contested at the moment.

There will never be a stable partitioning Iraq - the separatist Kurds, ISIS and the Shia are vulnerable and too unpredictable.

 

[pak-marine]

No we're saying exactly the same thing. Arabs normally only tribally, but when entire sects start whacking each other, they fall in line with their sect (ISIS vs Shia). So now they think in sectarian terms, partition and when peace settles in, go back to tribal thinking, mostly in their own sect.

My opinion is it will be a disaster forming a new country on religious lines .. ethinic makes sense but religious no it just doesnt work .. however it seems this is what the people want for now .. however hope and wish for them peace and prosperity in future

 

[nForce]

North and South Vietnam? You mean during the US war?

Shia Iraq has a population of over 20 million, Sunni Iraq barely 6 million. How will that be an 'equilibrium'? If the Sunnis don't find oil soon, they're F-ed real bad. A second Yemen (Arabs without oil).

There is no thumb rule for partition actually. People do it the way they see it fit.

 

[IR-TR]

They can join Turkey Anatolia can easily absorb some 6 million sunni Arabs that way our borders will circle KRG from downwards and we will have landlock leverage on Kurds(just like Armenia) they will forever gonna be a landlocked country but also landlocked by us.Not the mention ending their dream to reaching Mediterrean Sea.This way even if they got world's biggest oil reserves it will be useless.

I like your way of thinking. At first I thought WTF? But then I realized your point. Damn Fing right. I see so many different maps of 'Kurdistan'. Some landlocked, some WITH mediterranean or even black sea borders. What is the exact demographics in those regions in Turkey? If and when Turkish Kurdistan goes, is it feasible to keep them landlocked?

There is no thumb rule for partition actually. People do it the way they see it fit.

Sure, the rule of power. 6 million people can't beat 20 million, 6 million people can't annex 20 million. So the fault lines will remain the same, with some (hopefully peaceful) ethnic cleansing (moving people around).

My opinion is it will be a disaster forming a new country on religious lines .. ethinic makes sense but religious no it just doesnt work .. however it seems this is what the people want for now .. however hope and wish for them peace and prosperity in future

The people don't want sh1t, they want peace. Except for the Kurds, they want their own country. Shia and Sunni are being played against each other in order to achieve the bigger plans of outside powers. Any troll who can't see this needs to have his eyes checked. I'm sure most Iraqi Arabs would want to peacefully co-exist, because their Arabism is just as strong as their sectarian identity. But after 12 years now, and a few more coming years, of constantly blowing each other up, that Arabism will have to make way for sectarian security. So that'll probably happen.

IS merged Western Iraq to Eastern Syria so the Kurds should consider merging North Iraq to North East Syria and leaving out Central South Iraq for the Shias and Iran. Solved?

Most of the oilfields in Syria are located in the East (i.e Deir Ezzor) and what about Baiji in North West Iraq? They're contested at the moment.

There will never be a stable partitioning Iraq - the separatist Kurds, ISIS and the Shia are all vulnerable and too unpredictable.

Iran doesn't want another inch, it wants peaceful neighbors. If Shia Iraqi's are peaceful, fine (who knows what happens if the sectarianism blows over, they're still Persian hating Arabs). A peaceful Kurdistan would be fine too. Just a buffer against hordes of ISIS and other takfiri animals is needed.