Featured Iran's inclusion in CPEC to benefit every country of the region - Pak FM

[HAIDER]

Afghanistan is not the context, and i can't confirm what you said. What i can confirm, General Rahil was not the PM and such decisions require PM authority.

After APS incident Gen Raheel force the parliament to sign Anti-terror bill , all approval from parliament before Radul fasad , because he learn alot , what happened to Musharraf after Lal masjid, Bughti etc operation. Same democratic govt drag him in courts. That's why NSC was formed, so all in same boat, when discussing national security issues.
NSC has very wide power, PA can do anything if its sees any breach of national security. Basically PM of Pakistan has very limited say in national security matter,when issues tabled in NSC.

 

[dbc]

I have spent a lot of time in that region, building railway from Almatay to Tashkent would be a challenge!

it already exists


China-Iran routes
At the moment, there are two possible routes for traffic between China and Iran; a route passing through Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan and a similar route, but bypassing Uzbekistan. The first route is part of the Almaty-Bandar Abbas corridor entering Iran through the border point of Sarakhs. This corridor was opened in 2011 and has the potential to lift 2 million tonnes of freight annually.

The latter is part of the East of Caspian Route and passes through the Inche-Burun border crossing. This route is a branch of the north-south corridor, which starts in Russia and runs all the way up till the Persian Gulf. However, this line runs diverts east of the Caspian Sea to pass through Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan. The railway line was launched at the end of 2014 and foresees transporting some 15 million tonnes of cargo annually by 2022.

https://www.railfreight.com/beltand...ed-connecting-inner-mongolia-bam/?gdpr=accept

 

[BATMAN]

it already exists

If there's a train passing through the corridor i mentioned... it must be a wonder of the world. There must be a national geographic documentary about it !

Almatay to Urumqi is relatively new, 3-4 years old, this i'm aware of.

 

[dbc]

If there's a train passing through the corridor i mentioned... it must be a wonder of the world. There must be a national geographic documentary about it !

Almatay to Urumqi is relatively new, 3-4 years old, this i'm aware of.

none the less, 20 million tones per year of rail cargo is substantial capacity.Nearly 70 super tankers per year.

 

[BATMAN]

none the less, 20 million tones per year of rail cargo is substantial capacity.Nearly 70 super tankers per year.

I didn't opposed it, i said some part of rail network would be challenge. While i care more what Pakistan can gain and cash it's value.
What i was proposing was world's largest oil storage facility at Gawadar and incentives for industrial investors.

 

[HalfMoon]

Lol, they don't even care about him anymore.

They has realized that Kulbhushan Jadhav has been compromised or was a double agent.

 

[dbc]

I didn't opposed it, i said some part of rail network would be challenge. While i care more what Pakistan can gain and cash it's value.
What i was proposing was world's largest oil storage facility at Gawadar and incentives for industrial investors.

Worlds largest oil storage? You mean strategic reserves for Pakistan? What is Pakistan going to do with a 100 million barrels of oil? Strategic reserves are typically state financed never privately funded due to volatility of oil prices.

Besides, strategic reserves like the one in the US or China is downstream of large basins and mega oil terminals.

 

[HalfMoon]

Care to explain, how Iran can build it's own land route to China?

Forget the Arab investments in refineries, any loyal Pakistani would like to built an Iran wall along Iran border rather than any road to felicitate regional terrorism.

Pakistan need to get out of this Iranian slave mentality, while rulers should explain the state sponsored corruption at Taftan border.

Referring to the OP, it's an absurd proposal and making this bogus nonsense a featured thread is equally absurd, which hints Pakistani ministers take salary from Pakistan but serve Iranian mulla. irrespective if in the process Pakistan risk it's remittance from GCC, as well aid and used military equipment.

Iran does not need to connect and trade through Pakistan.

China already has railroad to Iran. Mashhad will further be linked to Chabahar by Railroad.

This means China can now move goods from Kashgar to Chabahar using the railroad and then further by sea.

The route from China to Iran via Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan is marked in orange below. Its already part of BRI.

I have spent a lot of time in that region, building railway from Almatay to Tashkent would be a challenge!

The railroad is already there

There is already a direct freight train between China and Iran. The rail route, also known as the New Silk Road, stretches 2,300 kilometers from Urumqi in western China's Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region to Tehran, connecting Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan along the way, cutting transportation to 14 to 15 days, compared with 45 to 50 days by sea. According to Iranian business daily Financial Tribune, five cargo trains have traveled the route to the Iranian capital since January 2016, loaded with myriad Chinese goods, from automobile accessories and spare parts to household appliances and ceramic tableware.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201901/25/WS5c4aa81da3106c65c34e6912.html

 

[The Accountant]

Chinese rail based freight corridor till turkmenistan is already operation

Yes ... CPEC is closed. China will not use Pakistan and will stop procuring gulf oil.

Happy ?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Yes ... CPEC is closed. China will not use Pakistan and will stop procuring gulf oil.

Happy ?

Indianisms, please members, I request us to be delicate with Indian egos, history has not been kind to them since 27 feb 2019.

 

[mqur1963]

CHINA HAD PLAYED A CARD TO BROKE IRAN FROM INDIAN PARTNERSHIP .WHEN THEY START PROJECTS WE WILL SEE.

 

[Zhukov]

So that benifits china . Pakistan gains nothing by Iran joining CPEC . More over with the chinese looking to invest in iran , they can easily use the iran route/ports through turkmenistan . I think china already has railway till turkmenistan

1-Friendly Iran
2-No more free ride for The Government of a certain country that uses Iran's economic dependence on it to destabilize Pakistan
3-More economic Dependence for Iran from Government of that certain country whose every perk for any country comes with a particular string attached i.e destabilize Pakistan
4-Last nail in the coffin of Baluchistan/Sistan Independence movement.
5-Peace in the region

Even if no direct economic benefit comes to Pakistan the above mentioned points are enough for us.

Peace and Regards

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Why would iran join CPEC ? When they can have their own CIEC .
Iran does not need pakistan to access the Central asian countries right ?
And shouldn't china investing 400 bil $ in iran worry pakistan as CPEC may be sidelined because of that specially if Iran is able to provide a safer investment environment ?

Chinese don't even waste 60 cents without thinking of a profit, let alone even giving a hint of wasting 60 billion $s spent in Pakistan. However the billions India spent in Afghanistan and Iran are practically wasted now - worry about that.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Pulse no hurdle from US Navy threads to China Iran trade.by sea is dangerous of being blocked and blackmail by USA

And apart from CPEC, there is no other viable, long term and secure energy route to China. Afghanistan will remain unstable in foreseeable future, the central Asian states (you got three of them between China and Iran) mean that China have to secure guarantees with three different governments/establishments to secure its energy supply route, which means if anyone of them get influenced by American establishment or even Russians, this whole thing will crumble down. And both Americans and Russians are known to exercise influence in central Asian "stan" states. Hell, even India operate an airbase in Tajikistan. One other hand, China only have to deal with Pakistani establishment which already is fully aligned with mutually beneficial geopolitical ambitions and gains.

 

[Cash GK]

Shipping loading and unloading is expensive and time consuming process. If something can send in straight line on road or rail track, will reach much more quicker. We need to look in reality. It's question of 400 billion vs 46 billion.

Why we have only 46 billions investment because Chinese don't like our in house dog fighting..second with 46 billions this will be massive win for Pakistan at least we will have Iranian borders secure after Indian exit. Second Chinese and USA economic war will enable Chinese manufacturers to built Pakistan made products to sent to USA. I must say Pakistan already secured some ecnomic deals with USA in exchange of USA Taliban peace deal..you will not understand. Pakistan was power broker when they helped USA to become solo super power when Pakistan n usa defeated Soviet and helped Germany to get real freedom in 1987 after fall of Berlin Wall. It was Pakistanand and usa 14 new countries got freedom after fall of Soviet. USA was ungrateful friend and Chinese knew this reality in 80z and Chinese knows Pakistani links with muslims countries. Next 50 years will be rise of Asia without india in that plan..you may differ with my thoughts. But reality