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Iran's Homegrown Bavar Ground-to-Air Missile System Still Lags Behind S-300

Iran's Homegrown Bavar Ground-to-Air Missile System Still Lags Behind S-300
15:36 03.03.2017(updated 15:42 03.03.2017)
https://sputniknews.com/military/201703031051234259-iran-bavar-anti-missile-system/

Iran's production of the Bavar 373 ground-to-air missile system is progressing well, but its capabilities are unlikely to rival the Russian S-300, editor of Russian magazine "Arsenal of the Fatherland" Viktor Murakhovsky told RIA Novosti.

Earlier this week, Iran's deputy defense minister Amir Khatami announced that Iran is carrying out tests of its Bavar (Belief) 373 long-range air defense system.

"Work with the Bavar 373 complexes is progressing as planned, testing of the complex has been carried out. These tests will continue to be carried out until the complexes are delivered to their units," Khatami said, RIA Novosti reported.

The Bavar 373, which has similar characteristics to Russia's S-300 system, was unveiled in August 2016. The project was launched in February 2010, after Russia suspended a $900 million deal signed in 2007 to deliver the complex.

Russia stopped the delivery following UN Security Council resolution 1929 that banned the sale of weapons to Iran. In April 2015, during successful negotiations between Tehran and the 6+1 groups of countries regarding Iran's nuclear program, Russian President Vladimir Putin removed the embargo and Russia delivered the S-300 last year.

Iran's President Hassan Rouhani (3rd L) and Iranian Defence Minister Hossein Dehghan (2nd L) stand in front of the new air defense missile system Bavar-373, in Tehran, Iran August 21, 2016. Nevertheless, Tehran has persevered with its plans to produce its own ground-to-air missile system Iran unveiled the Bavar 373 in August 2016.

Editor of Russian magazine "Arsenal of the Fatherland" Viktor Murakhovsky told RIA Novosti that production of the Bavar 373 is in the experimental phase and as such system is far from matching the capabilities of Russia's S-300 system.

"The S-300 is a system on another level, a long-range system which is developed and reliable. What the Iranians are doing is developmental work and the production of prototypes.
Nobody knows the real characteristics of this complex yet, including the Iranian media.
I wouldn't expect this complex to enter into service with the Iranian army in the next few years," Murakhovsky said.

The expert added that so far, Iranian developments in military equipment have been based on older equipment from the Soviet Union or the UK.

In front of the portraits of supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, right, and late revolutionary founder Ayatollah Khomeini, left, a long-range, S-300 missile system is displayed by Iran's army during a military parade marking the 36th anniversary of Iraq's 1980 invasion of Iran, in front of the shrine of late revolutionary founder Ayatollah Khomeini, just outside Tehran, Iran,
Wednesday, Sept. 21, 2016.

"I don't really believe that the Iranians have started making something from zero, taking into account their level of scientific and technical development. This is probably a creative copy of an old complex. We can see this based on the example of the Iranian anti-tank missile systems. One of them is almost a copy of the American TOW 2, which they received back then, and the second is a copy of the Soviet Konkurs. Exactly the same thing is happening with the air defense systems," Murakhovsky said.

Editor of "National Defense" magazine Igor Korotchenko told RIA Novosti that Iranian experts will find it difficult to copy such a complex system as the S-300. He referred to China's attempt to replicate the S-300PMU-1 with its FD-2000, which lacks the anti-interference capacity and range of the Russian model.

"I can say with absolute certainty that any attempts by foreign countries to clone or replicate the S-300 are doomed to fail. Even if they are able to produce something, the anti-air missile system will be very different from its Russian counterpart, and not in a good way."

Korotchenko recommended that the Iranians concentrate their efforts on obtaining more Russian surface-to-air missile systems rather than trying to build their own.

"If Iran is thinking about its security then it doesn't need to develop its own system, but continue to purchase Russian air defense systems, creating a layered system of national aerospace defense which will include firepower, radar and automated control systems," Korotchenko said.

On Friday, Iran released the first video of test strikes from its S-300 system. Judging by the reaction to the test, it appears the missiles hit their targets.

Russia's S-300 surface-to-air missile system has a range of up to 150 km and can hit targets at an altitude of up to 27,000 meters travelling at 2,800 meters per second. Its 92N6E multi-functional radar has a 400-kilometre range which is able to engage six targets simultaneously.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201703031051234259-iran-bavar-anti-missile-system/

Is he suddenly talking like this because Iran rejected the Russian offer of the S-400 system?
 
I think he was just misrepresented in the title. The guy never said the final system will never match S-300. At its current stage, the system is in development phase and it will be a while before it becomes operational and all the bugs are rooted out.
 
Is he suddenly talking like this because Iran rejected the Russian offer of the S-400 system?

He is Russian... It's normal !!!

Korotchenko recommended that the Iranians concentrate their efforts on obtaining more Russian surface-to-air missile systems rather than trying to build their own.

:lol:

Russians are in need of money so bad !!!
 
I think he was just misrepresented in the title. The guy never said the final system will never match S-300. At its current stage, the system is in development phase and it will be a while before it becomes operational and all the bugs are rooted out.
Still, he tells a lot about other Iranian systems and Chinese attempts to mimic the S-300PMU1, So after his first diplomatic talk, his real thoughts came to light, read the underlined part..
So even if the Bavar-373 starts with 80% capabilities of the latest S-300-PMU2 who shares some components and missiles with the S-400, it will translate into billions of $ in savings on top of the priceless knowledge acquired to make a sophisticated air defence system.. offering also a lot of development potential..
But like what he says himself in the article:
"Nobody knows the real characteristics of this complex yet, including the Iranian media."
 
Nobody knows the real characteristics of this complex yet, including the Iranian media.
We know very little, which includes;

That it incorporates AESA radars

The maximum missile range is 300 km

Maximum radar range is 450 km

The radars can track up to 100

Of course this isn't much to go by. The Russian "analyst" is basically saying that "I don't think Iran can make something good, so the Bavar-373 probably isn't good. By the way, buy Russian. Russia is best at everything. Russia stronk." This is sputniknews after all.
 
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We know very little, which includes;

That it incorporates AESA radars

The maximum missile range is 300 km

Maximum radar range is 450 km

The radars can track up to 100

Of course this isn't much to go by. The Russian "analyst" is basically saying that "I don't think Iran can make something good, so the Bavar-373 probably isn't good. By the way, buy Russian. Russia is best at everything. Russia stronk." This is sputniknews after all.
They are very good at EW and CM and that is one of the strongest parts of the S-300/400/500 series, if Iran can match that on top of what you have mentioned then it will be as potent as their systems..
 
They are very good at EW and CM and that is one of the strongest parts of the S-300/400/500 series, if Iran can match that on top of what you have mentioned then it will be as potent as their systems..
Agreed. The great point here is that we know nothing of the Bavar-373's EW/ECCM capabilities, so this supposed analyst is not making a fair judgement.

I guess there is one aspect of ECCM that we know, and that is that the AESA radars the B-373 possesses are inherently jamming resistant and have LPI (low probability of intercept) capabilities. These are generic features of AESA radars. But beyond this we cannot know the ECCM capabilities of the B-373.
 
Agreed. The great point here is that we know nothing of the Bavar-373's EW/ECCM capabilities, so this supposed analyst is not making a fair judgement.

I guess there is one aspect of ECCM that we know, and that is that the AESA radars the B-373 possesses are inherently jamming resistant and have LPI (low probability of intercept) capabilities. These are generic features of AESA radars. But beyond this we cannot know the ECCM capabilities of the B-373.
That is true and it is already good..Hit a ballistic missile in the next test and we are already talking about the S-400 and S-300VM capabilities..
 
so how many years we are talking about till we see some juice?
 
so how many years we are talking about till we see some juice?

Officials have said launches have already taken place. But they have not been publicised. It may be a matter of days, weeks or months for all we know. All depends on the willingness to show the goods.
 
Abraham Assael, CEO of the Fisher Institute for Air and Space Strategic Studies in Herzliya and a former brigadier- general in Israel:
"Tehran developing its own advanced missile defense system comes as no surprise.
The Iranians are well-advanced in their technology. In the last decade or two we can say that they developed a lot, especially in the field of rockets,” he said, adding that while it takes time to develop a complicated system, the Iranians are very capable of developing a very advanced system, even more so than the S-300"

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Ir...s-test-of-Russian-S-300-missile-system-483270
 

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