VEVAK
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Another childish comment.
I have already told you, and I repeat it again, neither Ahmadinejad, nor Rouhani nor any other president wont decide on the priority of future projects, not even in the civilian sector, even sane ministers shouldn't interfer with the works of experts. defense experts based on their evaluations decide on the priorities. all governments do is to allocate money, absolutely nothing else.
(Though Gen. Dehghan was the only one who interfered, suspended all defense projects to justify the 85% budget loose and received his medal for it from Rouhani, interestingly beside Zarif, Dorri Esfahani, and the rest of the known traitors).
So while Ahmadinejad fully supported both the science and defense ministries, Rouhani boycotted both of them. 85% budget cut in an organization means it's officially closed. the only reason that we still see some output is because firstly most of them are near complete projects of Ahmadinejad era and secondly the direct interfere of supreme leader (against Reformists' treason) to allocate at least 4% of the total budget to defense sector.
If you wanna know what this f@ck Rouhani did to our defense sector, try to find our researchers in prison:
پناهیان: سازندگان قطعات حساس موشک ساقط کننده پهپاد آمریکا در آستانه رفتن به زندانند+ فیلم
That comparison between Rouhani/Ahmadinejad was as childish as calling the Qaher-313 a childish design.
a random guy in Internet without knowledge about aviation thinks knows better than our defense experts who have studied in this field, have tens of years of expertise, and have access to both software and hardware test facilities!!!
Kowsar-88 as it's name suggests started four years before Rouhani, and as interviews are still available it was near unveiling in the end of Ahmadinejad government, then Rouhani happened, they published a vague footage of it, sent it to comma, and if you have followed recent interviews, again you can see that it was the supreme leader's pursuit which revived it, and today they still hadn't installed it's back seat yet!
Fakour was first displayed during the Ahmadinejad presidency (though Rouhani unveiled it 3 more times later!), not only this medium range missile was complete on that time, but they were already working on more advanced Maqsood long range missile and even an unnamed anti missile missile for our fighter jets.
In the last year of Ahmadinejad presidency, they were working on 17 first class major airborne projects, Fakour was just one of them, what happened to them? simply this f@ck Rouhani happened, and subsequently years of delays or complete suspension!
سردار حجازی: ۱۷پروژه هوافضا در خط تولید قرار دارد - همشهری آنلاین
Yes, when gen 5 designs are not funded, then people go for their available gen 3 platforms (F5), and even ignore the progress which was made in Saqegheh to save the costs in one extra fin!
It's funny in the same post you wanna claim that Iranian Presidents are powerless while crediting Ahmadi and blaming Rohani! LOL! Make up your dame mind!! And if you believe that nonsense then don't vote!
Iranian presidents have far more power than you think because whether they choose to fund or NOT fund a project & the people they pick to lead or oversee the projects is what makes or breaks a project and yes there are certain projects that the Supreme leaders takes a personal interest in but by the most part it's Iranian presidents that make or break projects DIRCECTLY DUE TO FUNDING because without proper funding the results would be exactly what has happened to Iran's Space Program.
And what has happened to Iran's Space program in the past ~10 years is the biggest example of how much power Iranian presidents actually have and how an Iranian president can easily choose to make or break something even something as large as a Space Agency! A project that I fully give Ahmadi credit for and at the same time it's something I most definitely don't shy way from blaming Rohani for breaking.
And I'm fully aware of how many military R&D projects Rohani canned or refused to properly fund which is basically the same thing.
Difference is unlike you I DO NOT close my eyes to FACTs and make up excuses just because I support one person or one party over another!!! And that is what makes you BLIND TO REALITY!!!!!
Rohani has been Iran's president for over 6 years and the very 1st sketch of the Kowsar was 1st drawn on paper 8 years ago so that's NOT a project.
Ahmadi failed when it even came to funding the J85 Owj "Production" project so there were no plans to have a powerplant to power the aircraft and that's why the preliminary designs for the Q-313 were base on a fictional single engine.
So how you fund and pursue a project is far more important than when the preliminary sketches were drawn up because we can have Iranian designers draw up and do CAD designs of a 10,000 tone sub so what? At the end of the day without proper leadership, funding, management, tools, infrastructure, parts, materials, human resources and proper oversight to bring it into fruition in a timely manner it doesn't really mean anything so crediting Ahmadi for this project based on when the sketches were drawn is BEYOND absurd. If Ahmadi truly wanted he had 8 years to fund and bing the Shafaq project into fruition & now you wanna credit him for a scetch drawn up during his last 2 years in office! LOL!
And YOU KEEP ON bring up utter NONSESE! I've told you a million times if Iran had cut it's defense spending by 85% after Ahmadii the entire Iranian military would have gone hungry and Iranian solders wouldn't of even been able to feed or clothe their own children and Iran most definitely would not have been able to conduct military operations to save both Iraq and Syria from ISIS let lone produce any weapons what so ever!!!!!
And I've told you before and I'll say it again that absurd statement makes you sound utterly foolish because "The VAST majority" of Iran's Military budget both under Ahmadinejad and today actually goes towards Paychecks, Food, Fuel, Housing, Maintenance & upkeep and NOT weapons or R&D projects so there simply isn't room to make an 85% cut so you sound like an IDIOT when you keep repeating that absurdity!
As for the Saegheh again you talk about things that you don't have a clue about! At the end of the day one of the great geniouses of the F-5 was and is having a comparativly low thrust platform that would be able to achieve near supersonic max cruise speeds which made it faster than most of it's 4th gen adversaries and that ment most of it's 4th gen adversaries that were equipped with far greater thrust couldn't catch it or run away from it without blasting their afterburners and emptying out their fuel tanks and in a country as large as Iran such a capability becomes even more crucial.
Fact is Segheh design added both drag & weight that reduced your thrust to weight ratio, payload capacity, speed & range with the ONLY advantage being a higher angle of attack but only at higher altitude because without more powerful engines you simply can't afford to risk a stall at lower altitudes. So basically a useless gain without newer more powerful engines that can push you out of that manuver and it's RCS reduction was minimal with basically no noticable effect against modern radars.
Meaning the Saeghe was a GREAT technology demonstrator and the technology gained will help us in the future. HOWEVER, it would be absurd to choose that designe over the Kosar and sacrifice speed, range, thrust to weight ratio, drag & payload capacity simply because it looks cooler! That would be both absurd and idiotic and I'm happy that they were wise enough NOT to do that!
17 projeh hava fazza dar khatteh tolleed includes all types of Missiiles, various UAV's, jet engines,.... that were being produced at that time which is NOTHING and a rather low figure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can promisse you we have a lot more than 17 aerospace project in production today!