Iran’s Chabahar won’t vie with Pakistan’s Gwadar: Experts

[Taimoor Khan]

The fact that Iran had been using Bandar Abbas and not developing Chahbahar for its own use is proof enough of how much useful Chahbahar actually is for Iran.

That is a very good point. It will be worth investigating as to which area of Iran their industrialization is centered around and its distance from Charbahar and Bandar Abbas. We have been hearing a lot of noise from Indians about Chinese industrial infra on the eastern coast and how, in their opinion make Gawadar less important. I am not convinced that this is some sort of trade agreement between the three. I mean what these three third world countries will import export among each other? They dont make any worth while products. Iran and Afghanistan just want to be nuisance for Pakistan and India being India just to poke to its nose in matters where Pakistan is concerned.

 

[Hamza913]

It won't affect Gwadar because Gwadar has the backing of China, a country with better influence than India.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I am strong advocate of the fact that if U become need of the world, the world goes an extra mile protecting U. We have been Blessed with a strategic location on map and using that point we should invite the whole world even India to ship their cargo via Gwader and see the miracle as now U are on driving seat and can sort out many issues quite with ease. Build a state of the art Naval Base at Gwader and here U are monitoring one of the busiest trade route. But yeah all depends on motives of the players who want to trade via Gwader.


The fact that Iran had been using Bandar Abbas and not developing Chahbahar for its own use is proof enough of how much useful Chahbahar actually is for Iran.

Agree with everything apart from "bring india on board" bit. That is a complete no no. That is virtual suicide. We need to be as far away from those people as possible. If we are to be a successful, secure and prosperous than we need virtually no contact with india and need to open up more with our allies and other friendly nations.

 

[shah1398]

That is a very good point. It will be worth investigating as to which area of Iran their industrialization is centered around and its distance from Charbahar and Bandar Abbas. We have been hearing a lot of noise from Indians about Chinese industrial infra on the eastern coast and how, in their opinion make Gawadar less important. I am not convinced that this is some sort of trade agreement between the three. I mean what these three third world countries will import export among each other? They dont make any worth while products. Iran and Afghanistan just want to be nuisance for Pakistan and India being India just to poke to its nose in matters where Pakistan is concerned.

Chahbahar is totally Indian brainchild and as Chahbahar is receiving funds and development from Indian money then why would they refuse it. On the other hand IP pipeline carries interest for them and that is they have heavily invested in the project. The main reason for India to go for Chahbahar was to not be dependent upon Pakistan for its goods movement to Afghanistan and then ahead to Central Asia though Pakistan provided the cheapest route for this purpose while cargo's movement through Chahbahar is already much costly as compared to that through Pakistan and hence the final price of product is already high for India. That is why India did try earlier to clinch some deal with Zardari Govt in this regard but cudnt.

Agree with everything apart from "bring india on board" bit. That is a complete no no. That is virtual suicide. We need to be as far away from those people as possible. If we are to be a successful, secure and prosperous than we need virtually no contact with india and need to open up more with our allies and other friendly nations to us.

Frankly speaking I thought 1001 times before including the name of India and as much I hate to say that but if Indian cargo moves through Gwader then we would already have quite a leverage upon them on many issues. Insurgency in Balochistan would vanish off in no time and so would anti Pakistani factors in Afghanistan and Kabul. It would be more or less win win situation for us. But yeah issue of Kashmir would still be as same though dialogue would be initiated and tone from both sides would be quite soft and who knows we find a solution for that too. Power of money can never be denied as it had united even sworn enemies too. Am just taking into account the broader perspective.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Chahbahar is totally Indian brainchild and as Chahbahar is receiving funds and development from Indian money then why would they refuse it. On the other hand IP pipeline carries interest for them and that is they have heavily invested in the project. The main reason for India to go for Chahbahar was to not be dependent upon Pakistan for its goods movement to Afghanistan and then ahead to Central Asia though Pakistan provided the cheapest route for this purpose while cargo's movement through Chahbahar is already much costly as compared to that through Pakistan and hence the final price of product is already high for India. That is why India did try earlier to clinch some deal with Zardari Govt in this regard but cudnt.


Frankly speaking I thought 1001 times before including the name of India and as much I hate to say that but if Indian cargo moves through Gwader then we would already have quite a leverage upon them on many issues. Insurgency in Balochistan would vanish off in no time and so would anti Pakistani factors in Afghanistan and Kabul. It would be more or less win win situation for us. But yeah issue of Kashmir would still be as same though dialogue would be initiated and tone from both sides would be quite soft and who knows we find a solution for that too. Power of money can never be denied as it had united even sworn enemies too. Am just taking into account the broader perspective.

Conversely, wouldn't access to Gwadar help them fuel terrorism and strife throughout our nation? Wouldn't it give our enemies a free pass towards destruction of our nation? I say NO to our enemies and NO to indianism.

 

[shah1398]

Conversely, wouldn't access to Gwadar help them fuel terrorism and strife throughout our nation? Wouldn't it give our enemies a free pass towards destruction of our nation? I say NO to our enemies and NO to indianism.

In no way am suggesting giving access to India via land route from eastern border. My all propositions hover around Gwader. Just for instance that if Indian cargo has to pass through Gwader to Afghanistan and ahead so ofcourse they would need protection for that and right now its Baloch insurgents who are main threat and India is supporting them fully. But in case its cargo moves in Balochistan so for its safety India will tone down all those organisations and in longer run we are benefiting. Not to forget the revenue India would be paying us for all the shipment through our soil. So we are getting peace and money both. And all Indian cargo for sure would be non military stuff so no chance of supplying weapons to likes of BLA and BRA etc in garb of this cargo. In short if we deny them Gwader they ll keep on fueling violence inside Pakistan but if their cargo moves through Gwader then yeah we stand a chance of peace in Balochistan.But yes its a calculated risk.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

In no way am suggesting giving access to India via land route from eastern border. My all propositions hover around Gwader. Just for instance that if Indian cargo has to pass through Gwader to Afghanistan and ahead so ofcourse they would need protection for that and right now its Baloch insurgents who are main threat and India is supporting them fully. But in case its cargo moves in Balochistan so for its safety India will tone down all those organisations and in longer run we are benefiting. Not to forget the revenue India would be paying us for all the shipment through our soil. So we are getting peace and money both. And all Indian cargo for sure would be non military stuff so no chance of supplying weapons to likes of BLA and BRA etc in garb of this cargo. In short if we deny them Gwader they ll keep on fueling violence inside Pakistan but if their cargo moves through Gwader then yeah we stand a chance of peace in Balochistan.But yes its a calculated risk.

In a lot of ways I do agree with you but I think you overestimate the threat posed by BLA and other indian proxies. It's been pretty much destroyed already. And that's thanks to our military. China has initially invested $46 billion in CPEC. If we want the billions to continue flowing into Pakistan form our Chinese brothers and sisters then we need to ensure those creatures stay vanquished. And sure as night turns to day, that is one thing the Pakistan military will guarantee and ensure is done with the utmost ruthless efficiency. Rivers of the blood of our enemies will flow but CPEC WILL BE A SUCCESS.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

In no way am suggesting giving access to India via land route from eastern border. My all propositions hover around Gwader. Just for instance that if Indian cargo has to pass through Gwader to Afghanistan and ahead so ofcourse they would need protection for that and right now its Baloch insurgents who are main threat and India is supporting them fully. But in case its cargo moves in Balochistan so for its safety India will tone down all those organisations and in longer run we are benefiting. Not to forget the revenue India would be paying us for all the shipment through our soil. So we are getting peace and money both. And all Indian cargo for sure would be non military stuff so no chance of supplying weapons to likes of BLA and BRA etc in garb of this cargo. In short if we deny them Gwader they ll keep on fueling violence inside Pakistan but if their cargo moves through Gwader then yeah we stand a chance of peace in Balochistan.But yes its a calculated risk.

Indians wouldn't be able to do much on the Baluchistan liberation front whether you let them dock gwadar or you don't , the thing is Iran itself has a sensitivity towards the separatist baloch element .what can definitely happen is India using the chahbahar project to escalate tensions between Iran and Pakistan with the help of non state actors like riggi or like opening their own daiesh/ttp franchise and use their old rhetoric in blaming Pakistan.. Therefore it's imperative for Iran and Pakistan to work closely with respect to border patrol and Intel sharing and avoid blame game. There is also a possibility that not India but some other country starts supporting baloch seeratists just like Iraq's baath party did between 50s and 80s supporting baloch separatists.

 

[Ahsan Awan]

Good news

 

[shah1398]

Rivers of the blood of our enemies will flow but CPEC WILL BE A SUCCESS.

IN SHA ALLAH.

Indians wouldn't be able to do much on the Baluchistan liberation front whether you let them dock gwadar or you don't , the thing is Iran itself has a sensitivity towards the separatist baloch element .what can definitely happen is India using the chahbahar project to escalate tensions between Iran and Pakistan with the help of non state actors like riggi or like opening their own daiesh/ttp franchise and use their old rhetoric in blaming Pakistan.. Therefore it's imperative for Iran and Pakistan to work closely with respect to border patrol and Intel sharing and avoid blame game. There is also a possibility that not India but some other country starts supporting baloch seeratists just like Iraq's baath party did between 50s and 80s supporting baloch separatists.

Main problem is weak govt and weak foreign policy. Sky is the limit if somehow we can put a new life into our diplomatic channels then surely much much can be achieved.

 

[GURU DUTT]

I am sure Alexender was not using those heavy crago ship to carry his troops across. Karachi sister port, Bin Qasim was also used by Mohamad Bin Qasim in ancient time. Pointless argument really! No one is denying the existence of Charbahar, its the utility which is questionable.

Either the experts are lieing through their teeth that Charbahar is not deep sea port hence cannot handle the big cargo ships, or you are just pissing in the air.


Do you have any evidence of Charbahar used in recent times to load/unload heavy cargo ships? Please do share.

Point is last shah of Iran had already cut a deal with americans to devlop chabahar port but first iran iraq war and then the revolution and then gul wars & sanctions never let that happen

now iran wants to restart that innitiative as it knows its very risky for it keep all its buisness at Bandar Abbas so it also wants a second port not very far from bandar abbas and chabahar is a perfect candidate ... i repeat again Chbahar is not competeing with gawadar rather its in direct comptiton for all the port cities inside persian gulf

as for its current buisness you sir have the capbility to use google search do it yourself .... Sir im sure with the results u will feel revolutionised

 

[tarrar]

The experts are speaking only for dollars.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Point is last shah of Iran had already cut a deal with americans to devlop chabahar port but first iran iraq war and then the revolution and then gul wars & sanctions never let that happen

now iran wants to restart that innitiative as it knows its very risky for it keep all its buisness at Bandar Abbas so it also wants a second port not very far from bandar abbas and chabahar is a perfect candidate ... i repeat again Chbahar is not competeing with gawadar rather its in direct comptiton for all the port cities inside persian gulf

as for its current buisness you sir have the capbility to use google search do it yourself .... Sir im sure with the results u will feel revolutionised

Thats the problem I have, more I google into it, more I am getting convinced that Charbahar is not a deep sea port. Not even experts but now it seem Pakistani government officials have said that same.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1112186/no-competition-pakistan-sees-no-threat-irans-chabahar-port/

ISLAMABAD: The Ministry of Commerce seems to be least bothered by the trilateral agreement signed recently by Iran, Afghanistan and India for developing the Chabahar port, believing it can never be a competitor of Gwadar port since it is not a deep-sea port.


I am not looking into from the prospect of competition between the two, its the utility of Charbahar which is under question. Thats why I ask you, if you can negate this impression of Charbahar not being a deep sea port, I am all ears.

 

[Syed Hussain]

It was already understood and if anything can be put between Gwadar and Chahbahar is "cooperation" and not rivalry. The whole hoax was created under "ethno-sectarian" influence by some of our domestic as well as foreign players, with the facebook page of this very forum being actively involved in it.

 

[randomradio]

A lot of hubris here based on wrong information in the article.

Chabahar will be a deep sea port, that's the purpose of the agreement. And it is meant to connect Delhi and Mumbai to Iran, Afghanistan and the rest of Central Asia. Eventually connecting to the Chinese Silk Road. So the economic benefits will be mutual between China and India.

What Chabahar will do for India is give access to Central Asia and Europe. What Gwadar will do for China is give access to the Middle East.

India has direct access to the Middle East, Africa and ASEAN. China has direct access only to ASEAN. So they need more infrastructure while India only has to use existing ports.

Gwadar is not in direct competition with Chabahar. China will continue using Gwadar and India will continue using Chabahar. However the scale of business will be different for both. Gwadar will connect China to the Middle East and Africa, while Chabahar will connect India and even ASEAN to Central Asia and Europe. The quantity of business will obviously favour Chabahar. So CPEC is no threat to Chabahar.