Iran's Ayatollah: 'Death to America' doesn't mean 'Death to Americans'

[jammersat]

Then I'll have to remember, the next time I'm in a public meeting deciding about bridges and road signs, or talking to my congressman, or observing a Senate committee, than what I'm experiencing is "pure fantasy".

or that they are letting you there because of your religion / ethnicity

Then I'll have to remember, the next time I'm in a public meeting deciding about bridges and road signs, or talking to my congressman, or observing a Senate committee, than what I'm experiencing is "pure fantasy".

and i'm not talking none-sense here , the american government when it comes to its grip over its citizens is a joke , compared even to the most 3rd worldest of nations like iran , don't tell me it's the liberty you are taking for granted , cause it's not ; i've been there and i've done all kinda *** , they couldn't hold me responsible for any single one of them .. and i wasn't even a citizen there

Yeap.

Back in 70s, rabid Mullahs in the region were in fact USA's plan B against commies.

In Iran situation was much more in favor of Mullahs due to two main reasons.

1. Religious
2. "Khumsi" economics

For #1 study the stature and concept of Ayatullah in Shia Iranians
For #2 study the role of "Khums" annual contributions that allowed Mullahs to acquire huge tracts of land in Iran. .

That's a conspiracy theory on par with the moon landings filmed in the hollywood basement ,

That iran was part of a green (islamic ) belt around the soviet union , if that is true then so was pakistan ,

the iranian revolution was what it was , nothing less nothing more ..

 

[Solomon2]

or that they are letting you there because of your religion / ethnicity

Tsk. There are no religious tests or prerequisites for such things. Of course you're talking nonsense!

the american government when it comes to its grip over its citizens is a joke , compared even to the most 3rd worldest of nations like iran , don't tell me it's the liberty you are taking for granted , cause it's not ; i've been there and i've done all kinda *** , they couldn't hold me responsible for any single one of them .. and i wasn't even a citizen there

Yes, we Americans are quite pleased the government doesn't have a "grip over its citizens." We are citizens and the government belongs to us, we don't belong to the government! A government that "grips" its citizens reduces them to mere subjects!

 

[jammersat]

Tsk. There are no religious tests or prerequisites for such things. Of course you're talking nonsense!

Yes, we Americans are quite pleased the government doesn't have a "grip over its citizens." We are citizens and the government belongs to us, we don't belong to the government! A government that "grips" its citizens reduces them to mere subjects!

you are the one talking hebrew here not me , you have no clue what you are talking about , if they let you in a high school trip to the congress lawn , it's only because of your jewish religion , i mean think about it !

 

[Solomon2]

you are the one talking hebrew here not me , you have no clue what you are talking about , if they let you in a high school trip to the congress lawn , it's only because of your jewish religion , i mean think about it !

You don't have to keep spouting panicky lies. Just apologize, say you're sorry, that you were talking out of ignorance. Your credibility will go up as a result.

 

[jammersat]

You don't have to keep spouting panicky lies. Just apologize, say you're sorry, that you were talking out of ignorance. Your credibility will go up as a result.

I don't have to apologize to you , you are a jew

 

[Solomon2]

I don't have to apologize to you , you are a jew

Like that should make a difference!

 

[jammersat]

Like that should make a difference!

it does , specially on a forum like this ...

 

[raptor22]

Naaah.

Ordinary people on the street cannot differentiate between the two.

Mullahs say these things for pure obfuscation.

if you want to ask me,

2015 reality is that no nation should ever shout such slogans like marg ber tootoo and marg ber poopooo

These slogans are $tupid and only belong to stone age cave man mentality.

The sooner Iranians get rid of these the better.

Yeehaa...
It's been well-known by all Iranians .. you could go and ask all Americans who've traveled Iran since revolution about hospitality and kindness they've received ... Iranian can separate people from policies.
And the slogan would be chanted for good unless the USA stops its enmity and wrong policies against Iran.

 

[FaujHistorian]

.....
That iran was part of a green (islamic ) belt around the soviet union , if that is true then so was pakistan ,
..

Yes Aghan Jaan

yeap. Pakistan Iran and Tureky were the arc of anti-Soviet defense. (read about CENTO)

This arc had two right wing groups and one or more left wing groups.

In Pakistan right wingers were army and mullahs. Left winger were PPP and Awami league

In Iran, right wingers back then were army+ shah + Mullahs. Left wingers were khalq and Tudeh

Then there were smaller "nationalist" subgroups that weaved in an out of right and left wingers.



These groups defined internal politics of Iran and Pakistan all the way from 1950s down to 1980s.

Mullahs as turned out both in Iran and Pakistan were double edged sword. They first miiked the West for support and then at some point turned rabidly anti-West.

The rest as they say is history

(or you dream as holywood story).

 

[takeitwithyou]

it was what I heard and understood since 30 years ago. and for 99% of the times it is translated as "down with USA " not "death to USA"

Great- We would also like to clear up that when Americans say Islam is the reason behind all these terror activities, we mean the people who follow it, not the religion.

 

[VCheng]

Iran's supreme leader says the slogan "Death to America" is not aimed at the American people, but rather American policies.

It's okay. Really. Sanctions on Iran are not aimed at the Iranian people. but rather Iranian policies. Fair is fair.

 

[raptor22]

It's okay. Really. Sanctions on Iran are not aimed at the Iranian people. but rather Iranian policies. Fair is fair.

But there is a different :

We've never done a military coup in the USA
We've never done supported a dictator for 3 decades in the USA
We've never created one of the most hideous secret police of the last century in the USA
We've never put pressure on American for capitulation in the USA ..
We've never stood against American revolution in the USA
We've never frozen American asset in the USA
We've never attempt to do another military coup in the USA
We've never helped another country to invade the USA and bomb it by chemical weapons

 

[VCheng]

But there is a different :

We've never done a military coup in the USA
We've never done supported a dictator for 3 decades in the USA
We've never created one of the most hideous secret police of the last century in the USA
We've never put pressure on American for capitulation in the USA ..
We've never stood against American revolution in the USA
We've never frozen American asset in the USA
We've never attempt to do another military coup in the USA
We've never helped another country to invade the USA and bomb it by chemical weapons

Look at it this way: Both sides do whatever they can to further their own respective national interests. Quite fair.

 

[Serpentine]

Look at it this way: Both sides do whatever they can to further their own respective national interests. Quite fair.

So, If America suddenly considers Pakistan's nukes as a threat to western civilization, and nukes all major Pakistani cities to oblivion in an hour, remember you said it, it's absolutely fair, because America would have done what it thought to be in its best interests, right?

Or maybe you wouldn't care at all about such scenario and Pakistan? Since you are trying so hard to be more American than Americans themselves?

 

[VCheng]

So, If America suddenly considers Pakistan's nukes as a threat to western civilization, and nukes all major Pakistani cities to oblivion in an hour, remember you said it, it's absolutely fair, because America would have done what it thought to be in its best interests, right?

Or maybe you wouldn't care at all about such scenario and Pakistan? Since you are trying so hard to be more American than Americans themselves?

The pursuit of national interests is the foundation of international geopolitics for ALL countries, equally. If Pakistani nukes are a threat to USA, don't you think they can be handled without nuking all major Pakistani cities?