Iranians in India - the Model Minority

[Android]

Mr Jinnah DISOWNED HIS DAUGHTER AND NEVER TALKED TO HER AGAIN IN HIS LIFE...

Ok so lets say his biological grandson

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

we have a small Parsi population as well.....some of them fled Iran during Revolution and settled in Karachi (and even as north as Murree)

extremely educated, extremely hard-working and patriotic people......many of them made HUGE name for themselves in Pakistan


even Murree Breweries is an old business that was started by Parsis (and even employs some Muslims as well)

 

[angeldust]

Even now it is not strictly unacceptable for a girl to were a janeu, i know a relative of mine who does, it is merely out of fashion.

Yes fashion and modern clothing has dictated chages in ancient religious traditions amongst us too. The sudreh our girls now wear is much shorter, and has spaghetti straps instead of the semi sleeves shown in the photo I posted earlier. So that it can be worn under their tops without showing. Otherwise traditionally, it flows from below the blouse of the sari, with an ornamental lace border. Like in marriages and navjotes, the mother and close relative women still wear the same accordingly for the occasion.

A Parsi girl being dressed up by family womenfolk for her engagement.

 

[angeldust]

maybe we should first check how many iranians have not intermixed with conquering races.

What is "Iranian" today is 20 seperate ethnicities and 10 different races.

Probably the only ones who come as close genetically to the original Aryan race as the Parsis are the Iranian Persians, but even amongst them there is inter-mixing of Arab, Turk, Kurd, Azeri, and Mongol blood.

Race and purity thereof is a very touchy subject when both Islamic Iranians and Indian Zoroastrian Parsis are thrown together.

Better to leave this out of this thread to maintain the feel-good nature.

This is why I started off by requesting that the OP changes the title to Indians of Persian origin. Because even though Iran and Iranian is traditionally true as well, its linkage now to Islam and dilution of the pure racial stock makes it impossible for the Parsis to identify with the people anymore.

Ask any Parsi about his genetic and civilizational roots and he will say "Persian."

Ask any Iranian Zoroastrian as well, in Iran or India, from Yezd or Kerman or Chak or Mumbai or Los Angeles. You will get the same answer.

"Iran" is the land and the location. There is no connection otherwise to the other racial bloodlines that were once mortal enemies and then invading conquerors historically from the pre-Islamic times.

Here are some photos of Iranian Zoroastrians in modern day Iran:

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

I saw this thread when it was first created but these people are Indians, not Iranians. I'm not sure why they're still being called "parsis" or why some/all of them would consider themselves Parsis. Religion doesn't make a person Persian or Arab or... They've been out of Iran for more than a millenia and frankly they even look more Indian.

I'm glad that Zoroastrians found a safe haven in India, and thankful, but I don't feel any connection with them. Most Iranians I guess would feel the same way.

To be honest even your president Ahmedinejad looks Indian to me

 

[Abii]

To be honest even your president Ahmedinejad looks Indian to me

There is no Iranian look really. If you look on a map, Iran is smack bang in the middle of the planet. If you wanna go from West to East or vice-versa, you're gonna cross Iran. With people living in the area since the Neolithic age (11,000 BCE) and many many millenia of invasions and people coming to settle in the area from every continent, including Africa and Europe (Polish migrants for example), Iran has collected a good mix of faces. You can find every shade of Homo Sapien and every look in the country.

Unlike China, India, East Asian nations, the Americas, Russia etc... who are all on the corner of some continent, Iran is in the middle of everything and everyone.

You can get 10 Iranians and one would look like an Arab, one would look East Asian, one black, one European, one Indian, a few a mix of all the above etc... Nejad is actually unique IMO. I honestly can't figure out his looks. He doesn't look Indian to me. I actually don't know what he looks like.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Mixing of course. 1000 years is to short for such evolutional process. The Jews in Europe heavily mixed with the native European population, while the Jews in Iran and other Middle-Eastern countries didn't mix on such scale.

Yes, genetic studies have strongly indicated that Parsis have married Indian women and absorbed them into their community.

 

[Surenas]

Yes, genetic studies have strongly indicated that Parsis have married Indian women and absorbed them into their community.

Thanks. I thought so.

What is "Iranian" today is 20 seperate ethnicities and 10 different races.

Probably the only ones who come as close genetically to the original Aryan race as the Parsis are the Iranian Persians, but even amongst them there is inter-mixing of Arab, Turk, Kurd, Azeri, and Mongol blood.

You're right about not start the discussion about genetic purity, but just wanted to respond on this. It's true that we in Iran have different (sub) ethnic groups, but 90% of the people in Iran are Iranians by race. Even the Azeri's are genetically Iranian, so like the Kurds, Lors, Baluchi's and other groups. Thats why the country is called Iran and not Persia. Persians are the biggest Iranian group in Iran, but not the only one.

 

[vsdoc]

There is no such thing as an "Iranian" race please man .....

It is an urban legend that Islamic Iran uses as a crutch to salve their identity dichotomy wounds.

 

[Surenas]

There is no such thing as an "Iranian" race please man .....

It is an urban legend that Islamic Iran uses as a crutch to salve their identity dichotomy wounds.

Bro, anthropologically the Iranian (Iranid) does exist.

The Irano-Afghan race (also Iranid race) was a term used in scientific racism for the populations native to the Iranian plateau. The Irano-Afghan type was classified as belonging to the greater Caucasian race, and was variously associated with either the Nordic or the Mediterranean subtypes, depending on the authority consulted.

Carleton S. Coon in his The Races of Europe classifies the Indo-Afghans and Irano-Afghans as Nordic, describing them as being long-faced, high-headed and nose-hooked. Bertil Lundman by contrast postulates an "Iranid" subtype of his "Eastern Mediterranean" race. Earnest Hooton in 1946 describes the "Iranian Plateau type" as distinct from the Atlanto-Mediterranean one,

particularly in its long, high-bridged, and boldly jutting nasal promontory. It has the same huge dolichocephalic head and massive, usually long face. The great nose may be either straight or convex, more often the latter.

According to Renato Biasutti the type was defined by:

Brunet-white color, very dark hair and eyes, abundant pilosity; medium stature (165), slim body; very long (74) and high head with prominent occiput; long face; large and high nose with root at the level of the forehead, straight or convex spine, strongly curved nostrils (64); full lips, robust chin.

John Lawrence Angel following Coon in 1971 discusses a "Nordic-Iranian type" in the following terms:

D1 lies between Anglo-Saxon and Keltic area norms, and D2 is the earlier pre-Bronze Age Corded form which Coon identifies. Type D3, lighter and more hawk-nosed, is transitional to the Mediterranean type B4 and to type D4 (Iranian), which is the Proto-Iranian of Vallois, Irano-Afghan of others, and Proto-Nordic of Krogman, and which is more linear and more rugged than D3 and has a more tilted chewing plane, more nasal convexity, and deeper occiput. Type D5 approximates Coon's Danubian-Halstatt and successor Central European forms.

Iranid race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[vsdoc]

Bro this is a nice thread of warm brotherhood and all. Suffice to say, that 1400 years have passed since the Persians lost to the Arab hordes and went under as a people.

In those 1400 years, one group has remained mostly untouched by choice and by the promise they made to their hosts.

The other has mingled with races from all around, as wave after wave of foreign invaders swept in.

The ancient Iranid race was never semitic. They were pure Aryan. Yet there is massive semitic genetic markers all over your population.

If anything, even with what limited intermingling the Parsis may have had, it has been Aryan blood.

Not Arab or Turk or Mongol or African or Jew.

 

[Surenas]

Bro this is a nice thread of warm brotherhood and all. Suffice to say, that 1400 years have passed since the Persians lost to the Arab hordes and went under as a people.

In those 1400 years, one group has remained mostly untouched by choice and by the promise they made to their hosts.

The other has mingled with races from all around, as wave after wave of foreign invaders swept in.

The ancient Iranid race was never semitic. They were pure Aryan. Yet there is massive semitic genetic markers all over your population.

If anything, even with what limited intermingling the Parsis may have had, it has been Aryan blood.

Not Arab or Turk or Mongol or African or Jew.

Nonsense.

Genetic studies conducted by Cavalli-Sforza have revealed that Iranians cluster closely with European groups and more distantly from Near Eastern groups. Preliminary genetic tests suggest common origins for most of the Iranian people.This study is partially supported by another one, based on Y-Chromosome haplogroups.

Probably less mixed than the Parsi's.

 

[vsdoc]

Nonsense.

Probably less mixed than the Parsi's.

What a piece of crock man! What's with you guys and your coconut fetish?

No pure Aryan can be so insecure.

Are you an Azeri Turk by any chance?

They love taking refuge behind Cavalli-Sforza, with all its preliminary, partially, and probably BS!

A pure Persian knows where he or she stands in the Iranian hodge podge. Not to mention a pure blood Parsi Zoroastrian.

"Iranian" RACE. HA!

 

[Surenas]

What a piece of crock man! What's with you guys and your coconut fetish?

No pure Aryan can be so insecure.

Are you an Azeri Turk by any chance?

They love taking refuge behind Cavalli-Sforza, with all its preliminary, partially, and probably BS!

A pure Persian knows where he or she stands in the Iranian hodge podge. Not to mention a pure blood Parsi Zoroastrian.

"Iranian" RACE. HA!

You must be the most stupid Indian on this forum, isn't it? While I provide sources and researches, you can only come up with unsubstantiated statements. I respect Parsi's, but noway they are pure Persians. They look more Indian than Iranian. And thats imo not a problem, because Indians are respectable people and it shows that the Parsi's are well integrated in the Indian society.

 

[vsdoc]

You must be the most stupid Indian on this forum, isn't it? While I provide sources and researches, you can only come up with unsubstantiated statements. I respect Parsi's, but noway they are pure Persians. They look more Indian than Iranian. And thats imo not a problem, because Indians are respectable people and it shows that the Parsi's are well integrated in the Indian society.

You've quoted squat and called it research. I can quote ten other papers that say much the oposite, and with far fewer of the probablies, partiallies, and prelimanaries that your "paper" propounds.

And just so we are clear, give me stupid Indian over confused coconut Azeri Turk "Iranian" anyday.

We are Mazdayasnis. We are pure blood.

And we are what you try to be via your BS papers.

Because what else do you have?

Little surprise that Google is littered with genetic references when it comes to Iran and Iranians.

Keep ranting.