Iranian UAVs | News and Discussions

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1230041072048443393

 

[Sina-1]

Please read the whole thread to understand why clever and intuitive engineering together with complete understanding of warfare, wins battles and wars, and not shiny new imported fighter jets!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1230980280346955776

 

[Sina-1]

New UCAV coming up...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1231481720194715649

 

[PeeD]

New UCAV coming up...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1231481720194715649

I would expect this as the lowest case scenario:

This UAV shown recently with two Toloue-10, PBS TJ-100 in their turboprop variants.

That would be 500HP turboprop power, still lower than the 900HP or so of the MQ-9 but close.

However: Because this is a IRGC-ASF project, it won't be this UAV.
Still the TJ-100 design is the only known turbine engine that would be cheap enough with sufficient lifetime to be used as an Iranian made turboprop propulsion. Even S-129 still uses a foreign ~100HP engine.

 

[Sineva]

I would expect this as the lowest case scenario:

This UAV shown recently with two Toloue-10, PBS TJ-100 in their turboprop variants.

That would be 500HP turboprop power, still lower than the 900HP or so of the MQ-9 but close.

However: Because this is a IRGC-ASF project, it won't be this UAV.
Still the TJ-100 design is the only known turbine engine that would be cheap enough with sufficient lifetime to be used as an Iranian made turboprop propulsion. Even S-129 still uses a foreign ~100HP engine.

Heres the data on the PBS turborop TP100 based on the TJ100.
https://www.pbsaerospace.com/our-products/tp-100-turboprop-engine

Its a very compact engine and would require little work to adapt the Shahed 129 to be repowered with it,plus you`d be looking at pretty much doubling the HP and reducing the engine weight by about 20%.So some pretty big improvements to something like a Shahed 129.One could easily imagine a redesigned twin engined Fotros using 2 of these turboprops.

 

[Philosopher]

Any image of the Toloue-10 engines?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Heres the data on the PBS turborop TP100 based on the TJ100.
https://www.pbsaerospace.com/our-products/tp-100-turboprop-engine

Its a very compact engine and would require little work to adapt the Shahed 129 to be repowered with it,plus you`d be looking at pretty much doubling the HP and reducing the engine weight by about 20%.So some pretty big improvements to something like a Shahed 129.One could easily imagine a redesigned twin engined Fotros using 2 of these turboprops.

the main question is how much fuel it consume ?

 

[Sineva]

the main question is how much fuel it consume ?

They give the BSFC [Brake Specific Fuel Consumption-lb/HP/hr ] in the data sheet.Its not that great compared to the rotax,however it is producing almost TWICE the power while also being around 20% lighter.Like pretty much everything its a trade off.

 

[Hack-Hook]

They give the BSFC [Brake Specific Fuel Consumption-lb/HP/hr ] in the data sheet.Its not that great compared to the rotax,however it is producing almost TWICE the power while also being around 20% lighter.Like pretty much everything its a trade off.

Well in that case it's only good for bigger UAVs (meant a lot bigger) or light aircrafts ,for Something in size of shahed 129 we still need that rotax engine

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1234469595966210048

 

[Sineva]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1234469595966210048

It seems remarkably intact for something that was "shot down",looks like it pretty much glided in in fact.It could have been hit with a lucky small arms shot on something like the engine.I cant tell whether its an older or newer type sadly.
They really need to be operating these with the new light weight glide bombs,that way they can get some real combat data on the actual effectiveness of these new light weight ucavs

 

[TheImmortal]

It seems remarkably intact for something that was "shot down",looks like it pretty much glided in in fact.It could have been hit with a lucky small arms shot on something like the engine.I cant tell whether its an older or newer type sadly.
They really need to be operating these with the new light weight glide bombs,that way they can get some real combat data on the actual effectiveness of these new light weight ucavs

Too expensive/risk to bring the good UAVs into battlefield (Rq series) though the cheaper RQ version was attempted on Israel.

Ababil-3 is pretty cheap and Shahed-129 does the more advanced job. These Ababils are probably either bought by Syrian government or donated to Iran backed militias. They are likely older versions used in recon role.

Seems Iran likes to test its weapons in Yemen against western tech armies rather than in Syria where you are basically fighting insurgents so any data collected doesn’t help assess capabilities against a nation state military.

Also Israel has destroyed a lot of Iran’s more advanced drones in Syria during wave attacks (T4 base attacks and the alleged Pre-emptive strike to prevent Quds Force “swarm drone” attack).

 

[Sineva]

Too expensive/risk to bring the good UAVs into battlefield (Rq series) though the cheaper RQ version was attempted on Israel.

Ababil-3 is pretty cheap and Shahed-129 does the more advanced job. These Ababils are probably either bought by Syrian government or donated to Iran backed militias. They are likely older versions used in recon role.

Seems Iran likes to test its weapons in Yemen against western tech armies rather than in Syria where you are basically fighting insurgents so any data collected doesn’t help assess capabilities against a nation state military.

Also Israel has destroyed a lot of Iran’s more advanced drones in Syria during wave attacks (T4 base attacks and the alleged Pre-emptive strike to prevent Quds Force “swarm drone” attack).

I was thinking more of their potential against the turkish forces rather than the terrorists,especially considering recent events in syria over the last couple of days.

 

[TheImmortal]

I was thinking more of their potential against the turkish forces rather than the terrorists,especially considering recent events in syria over the last couple of days.

Testing weapons against a semi-ally (Turkey) is not a pragmatic move when Saudi Arabia is available and wielding latest weaponary.

Iran has warned Turkey about strikes on its officers and Iran backed militias involved in the Idlib offensive. It could strike back. But Iran needs turkey from a sanctions busting role and Idlib is not of great importance to Iran.

Any assistance To Syria is mostly To punish Turkey for any transgressions. Or else Iran could care less about Idlib province. It wants Al-Taf and eastern Syrian border cleared for arms shipments by land.

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

I think some Iranians are comparing the Turks with the innocent civilian Sunni that they hit in the Middle East. Your garbage cans picking up all over will do nothing but fall.