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[Philosopher]

will iran already completed the design long before they made a model too


here it is Besat submarine

This mockup has been around for more than a decade. It was never confirmed to be a design for Besat. Also, do not forget that design for Besat has been changed. Initially, there was talk of it being a 1200 ton submarine, now it is almost 3 times that.

 

[Sina-1]

Nope...it eill be within 2025...

The major Engineering challenges were completed under fatheh project..a base project for besat class, mostly AIP and new Propulsions , brushless, as they comfirmed to be used in newer fatheh...

Besat just a design iteration with complex implementation of newer knowledges...

2025...set the clock...

A new submarine project from start to finish generally takes around 10 years, sometimes longer. Forgetting the fact this was stated by head of Iran's navy himself, you will never develop a submarine like Besat in 5 years, it does not matter that they have developed Fateh nor does it matter if they have developed various technology for Fateh e.g AIP.

Edit: If you can speak Persian, you can watch this video for confirmation of what I said above:

you are both correct. Most technological enablers are ready for implemention. So in theory besat could be built faster than fateh. However it will still be a huge leap from 600ton fateh so there are a lot of stuff that can go wrong. I would guess that we will see a near complete besat in 3-5 years but that it will take another 3-5 years to fix all bugs and make sure everything is correctly integrated. Not to mention all test that must be done. From 2nd besat and forward it will be much faster.

 

[Philosopher]

What must be done in the meantime is the expansion of submarine production capability. We need to expand our ability to mass produce Fateh and the Besat, when it is ready. For the very near future, I think at minimum, Iran should be delivering 2-4 Fatehs every 2 years. From what I can see, they are working on manufacturing another 2 Fateh and it will delivered next year. This rate of manufacture needs to increase.

 

[Aramagedon]

Iran ranks fifth in submarine strength in the world

 

[sha ah]

Quantity is one thing, quality is another. The quality of Iran's submarines are not on par with nations like UK or France. Iran is progressing but there is much work to do.

Iran ranks fifth in submarine strength in the world

 

[Sineva]

will iran already completed the design long before they made a model too


here it is Besat submarine

MAN!!
Now those are some old,old pics......they`ve even got Catsoos name on them
I`ve always tended to take most of these models,especially older ones like this,with a grain of salt and viewed them more as potential basic concept ideas rather than realistic depictions of the finished weapon.

 

[Aramagedon]

Iran general interview with al Jazeera:

Iran will use secret weapons against Yankees.

 

[sahureka2]

In other forum a user writes:
<< In the regrettable error and inevitable human tragedy "Konarak A1403" , it must be admitted that the missile used struck this small unit a few meters above sea level and has considerable destructive power, the effect of the explosion that expands has found an easy way upwards thanks to the limited dimensions of the superstructures and because the point of impact was above or near the deck.
I wonder what effects this missile could have caused if it hit a unit at that height similar in size to a modern corvette / frigate where the superstructures would certainly slow down the expansion of the explosion without finding easy ways out ?>>

What do you think, what devastating effects could have on that type of warships?

 

[Shams313]

In other forum a user writes:
<< In the regrettable error and inevitable human tragedy "Konarak A1403" , it must be admitted that the missile used struck this small unit a few meters above sea level and has considerable destructive power, the effect of the explosion that expands has found an easy way upwards thanks to the limited dimensions of the superstructures and because the point of impact was above or near the deck.
I wonder what effects this missile could have caused if it hit a unit at that height similar in size to a modern corvette / frigate where the superstructures would certainly slow down the expansion of the explosion without finding easy ways out ?>>

What do you think, what devastating effects could have on that type of warships?

People died and u think that way..??

 

[sahureka2]

People died and u think that way..??

Don't misrepresent my words, the death of 19 and the injury of 15 other sailors is a tragedy, first of all for their families who cry for children, fathers or husbands, this has hit me in the heart because every human life is important to me , but the tragedy for an error occurred, after the Iranian military and technicians, but also from other countries, will try to carefully evaluate all the elements of the accident including the missile from the moment of launch to finish on impact, therefore the whole phase flight and attack and damage caused upon impact.
Therefore my final question on the previous post is not cynical, but a request for a possible answer to a technical question made by another user in another forum.

 

[Arminkh]

In other forum a user writes:
<< In the regrettable error and inevitable human tragedy "Konarak A1403" , it must be admitted that the missile used struck this small unit a few meters above sea level and has considerable destructive power, the effect of the explosion that expands has found an easy way upwards thanks to the limited dimensions of the superstructures and because the point of impact was above or near the deck.
I wonder what effects this missile could have caused if it hit a unit at that height similar in size to a modern corvette / frigate where the superstructures would certainly slow down the expansion of the explosion without finding easy ways out ?>>

What do you think, what devastating effects could have on that type of warships?

I was thinking about the same thing. The fact that the command bridge is totally gone shows how devastating the missile is however, it should be noted that Konarak most probably was not designed to withstand missile either.
Today's destroyers' hull is designed to absorb the energy of such impacts. So it is hard to tell what would happen if this missile would hit a real destroyer.
There was a documentary called "What it takes to sink a destroyer" showed a Canadian Navy decommissioned destroyers that both Canadian and U.S. Navy were using for target practice. AShCM was the first thing they tried. It was not even able to open up the hull let alone cause any damage. What was surprisingly effective was one of the attacking destroyers 120mm shells at visual range that finally was able to sink the ship.

 

[Philosopher]

Sinking an actual naval assets is not what is important. What is imperative is taking those ships out of service. The latter can be achieved much easier. If you then decide to sink those ships, you can do that using torpedos etc because at that point, the ships will be defenceless. A single khalije Fars anti ship ballistic missile will take any ship out of service.

 

[Arminkh]

Sinking an actual naval assets is not what is important. What is imperative is taking those ships out of service. The latter can be achieved much easier. If you then decide to sink those ships, you can do that using torpedos etc because at that point, the ships will be defenceless. A single khalije Fars anti ship ballistic missile will take any ship out of service.

I agree. Compared to Khalije Fars, all these other cruise missiles are toys.

 

[sahureka2]

I was thinking about the same thing. The fact that the command bridge is totally gone shows how devastating the missile is however, it should be noted that Konarak most probably was not designed to withstand missile either.
Today's destroyers' hull is designed to absorb the energy of such impacts. So it is hard to tell what would happen if this missile would hit a real destroyer.
There was a documentary called "What it takes to sink a destroyer" showed a Canadian Navy decommissioned destroyers that both Canadian and U.S. Navy were using for target practice. AShCM was the first thing they tried. It was not even able to open up the hull let alone cause any damage. What was surprisingly effective was one of the attacking destroyers 120mm shells at visual range that finally was able to sink the ship.

however when using a target ship which then has to sink, it is stripped of all the ammunition of the cannons, missiles, torpedos and all the fuel from the tanks that supply the main engines and many elements that can pollute the sea; therefore the effect of missiles hitting this target cannot be considered 100% real.
Different during a conflict when the hit ship is in full efficiency with all that material on board which if triggered can open the damage, even leading to the sinking.
However I also think it is difficult with a missile the size of a C-802 or Harpoon to immediately sink a 3/4000 ton frigate or 5/6000 ton destroyer, but it would be interesting to understand how much damage that missile would cause if it breaks out inside of these ships and if it can at least put it out of action, making it momentarily useless.
To end my thoughts, I think an old 533mm torpedo hitting below the waterline would be far more devastating even for large tonnage naval units

 

[Stryker1982]

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