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[Hack-Hook]

Are you guys interested in the Type 054A frigate?

China can offer a reasonable discount price with TOT.

We are seeking for a deeper relationship, not just for money.

That ship is 3 time current Iranian ships and can increase the capabilities of Iranian navy but right now Iranian navy is interested in Persian Gulf ship (well as far as I understand even that ship won't have VLS and that fact made it's fire power somehow limited)

 

[scythian500]

Iran is working on a new class of ingenuously designed submarines.

This new class will revolutionize Iranian submarine design and production capabilities.

The new heavy submarine class would have a diameter of 10 meters and a length of 87 meters and will weight 3200 tonnes.

https://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/6765432/ایران-در-تدارک-ساخت-زیردریایی-۳۲۰۰-تُنی-هرآنچه-باید-از-دستاورد-جدید-و-پیشرفته-صنایع-دفاعی-کشور-بدانید-تصاویر
https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/920373/ایران-به-سراغ-ساخت-زیردریایی-3200-تنی-می-رود

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran is working on a new class of ingenuously designed submarines.

This new class will revolutionize Iranian submarine design and production capabilities.

The new heavy submarine class would have a diameter of 10 meters and a length of 87 meters and will weight 3200 tonnes.

https://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/6765432/ایران-در-تدارک-ساخت-زیردریایی-۳۲۰۰-تُنی-هرآنچه-باید-از-دستاورد-جدید-و-پیشرفته-صنایع-دفاعی-کشور-بدانید-تصاویر
https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/920373/ایران-به-سراغ-ساخت-زیردریایی-3200-تنی-می-رود

to be honest I doubt they build some thing like that , for start it's not that Aerodynamic
also that sail don't have a diving plane which is a little strange and also have strange design , to be honest it made it made water a lot of vortex around it and made the sub overall somehow unnecessarily noisy .

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

That ship is 3 time current Iranian ships and can increase the capabilities of Iranian navy but right now Iranian navy is interested in Persian Gulf ship (well as far as I understand even that ship won't have VLS and that fact made it's fire power somehow limited)

China can provide you 30MW gas turbine along with the newest VLS technology, also the Type 346A radar.

A 7000 tons destroyer with no AESA radar and VLS free is simply a waste of tonnage.

 

[TheImmortal]

China can provide you 30MW gas turbine along with the newest VLS technology, also the Type 346A radar.

A 7000 tons destroyer with no AESA radar and VLS free is simply a waste of tonnage.

Stop speaking as if you work for the Chinese military.

China won’t supply Iran with anything. Not even Russia (Who needs arms deals) risks selling Iran offensive weapon systems.

When was the last time China sold Iran a major offensive weapon system? You have to go back to the C-800s in the 90’s and maybe some small missile boats.

US isn’t going to let the arms embargo drop they made that clear and even before there was an arms embargo Russia/China didn’t do any major deals with iran.

Iran is working on a new class of ingenuously designed submarines.

This new class will revolutionize Iranian submarine design and production capabilities.

The new heavy submarine class would have a diameter of 10 meters and a length of 87 meters and will weight 3200 tonnes.

https://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/6765432/ایران-در-تدارک-ساخت-زیردریایی-۳۲۰۰-تُنی-هرآنچه-باید-از-دستاورد-جدید-و-پیشرفته-صنایع-دفاعی-کشور-بدانید-تصاویر
https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/920373/ایران-به-سراغ-ساخت-زیردریایی-3200-تنی-می-رود

They can’t even get the Fateh mass produced. So this sub is a long ways away if all they have is this toy model.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Stop speaking as if you work for the Chinese military.

China won’t supply Iran with anything. Not even Russia (Who needs arms deals) risks selling Iran offensive weapon systems.

When was the last time China sold Iran a major offensive weapon system? You have to go back to the C-800s in the 90’s and maybe some small missile boats.

US isn’t going to let the arms embargo drop they made that clear and even before there was an arms embargo Russia/China didn’t do any major deals with iran.

China will eventually head toward a full scale confrontation with the US, if not hot war, there will be a new cold war.

This is a golden opportunity for Iran to acquire military technology.

Since Iran now is a member of the Petro Yuan community, China has obligation to be accountable on your national security.

Type 052D and Type 093B are all available choices for Iran's future navy procurement with TOT.

Even this monster will be a piece of cake for China.

 

[Arminkh]

China will eventually head toward a full scale confrontation with the US, if not hot war, it there will be a new cold war.

This is a golden opportunity for Iran to acquire military technology.

Since Iran now is a member of the Petro Yuan community, China has obligation to be accountable on your national security.

Type 052D and Type 093B are all available choices for Iran's future navy procurement with TOT.

Even this monster will be a piece of cake for China.


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I agree. It is only a matter of time before China figures it cannot continue the neutral approach it has right now.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I agree. It is only a matter of time before China figures it cannot continue the neutral approach it has right now.

If China still owes Iran 20 billion due the US sanction, the Iranian government shouldn't be shy to ask for repayment with weapons and military technologies.

Since China has the obligation to ensure the safety of its Petro Yuan club member, the situation is very different now.

 

[sanel1412]

to be honest I doubt they build some thing like that , for start it's not that Aerodynamic
also that sail don't have a diving plane which is a little strange and also have strange design , to be honest it made it made water a lot of vortex around it and made the sub overall somehow unnecessarily noisy .

It is not aerodynamic...it will not fly for god sake...and that is standard sub design which actually is Hydrodynamic and thus it is designed to best balance high pressue while moving,that is why so many subs are not implement best hydrodynamic design...Ideal design would be probably be shape of drop of water but as I said there are few other things other than hydrodynamics..I think curves are actually what confuse at first look but shape itself it is not uncommon...but this is long term project..many things can be changed..or even never be produced

 

[Sineva]

Are you guys interested in the Type 054A frigate?

China can offer a reasonable discount price with TOT.

We are seeking for a deeper relationship, not just for money.

The type54a is actually quite a good a little ship,unfortunately theres still that little problem of a certain arms embargo that a certain negotiator didnt see fit to have removed as part of the nuclear deal
A modern frigate like this would certainly be a good starting point for iran to work with.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The type54a is actually quite a good a little ship,unfortunately theres still that little problem of a certain arms embargo that a certain negotiator didnt see fit to have removed as part of the nuclear deal
A modern frigate like this would certainly be a good starting point for iran to work with.

Doesn't Iran also want a 7000 tons class destroyer?

With the blueprint of the Type 052D, China can certainly offer some help.

 

[PeeD]

Iran is working on a new class of ingenuously designed submarines.

This new class will revolutionize Iranian submarine design and production capabilities.

The new heavy submarine class would have a diameter of 10 meters and a length of 87 meters and will weight 3200 tonnes.

https://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/6765432/ایران-در-تدارک-ساخت-زیردریایی-۳۲۰۰-تُنی-هرآنچه-باید-از-دستاورد-جدید-و-پیشرفته-صنایع-دفاعی-کشور-بدانید-تصاویر
https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/920373/ایران-به-سراغ-ساخت-زیردریایی-3200-تنی-می-رود

Size and weight wise it sounds close to the South Korean Jangbogo-III class.

This is quite telling: Iran won't go for a Kilo like double hull design that would explain the large diameter of 10m. The Nahang-Fateh-Besat evolution is single hull.

A single hull with such large diameter tells about its internal layout:
10m is large enough for a VLS for CM or BM.
At 3200t it is likely to have lithium-ion battery based electrical drive instead of a full AIP-only propulsion. Volume and weight are to close to the lithium-ion based Jangbogo-III and to far away from other classes and their propulsion to make sense.
87m is also very long, a clear indication for a 10+ VLS, which is basically the main reason to design such a large sub.

Bear in mind that the Fateh is not based on something Iran somehow captured (RQ-170) or purchased, it is a fully Iranian design. So switching to lithium-ion drive would make sense as Iran is the creator of this design 0-100. Plus lithium-ion drive could give it the quiteness, max. speed and endurance requirements as poentially low cost.

Subsystems, materials and quality controls/standards will be mastered with the 500t class Fateh. The jump to the 1200t Besat might be skipped for a larger sub with VLS for serious strike capability.

 

[scythian500]

Size and weight wise it sounds close to the South Korean Jangbogo-III class.

This is quite telling: Iran won't go for a Kilo like double hull design that would explain the large diameter of 10m. The Nahang-Fateh-Besat evolution is single hull.

A single hull with such large diameter tells about its internal layout:
10m is large enough for a VLS for CM or BM.
At 3200t it is likely to have lithium-ion battery based electrical drive instead of a full AIP-only propulsion. Volume and weight are to close to the lithium-ion based Jangbogo-III and to far away from other classes and their propulsion to make sense.
87m is also very long, a clear indication for a 10+ VLS, which is basically the main reason to design such a large sub.

Bear in mind that the Fateh is not based on something Iran somehow captured (RQ-170) or purchased, it is a fully Iranian design. So switching to lithium-ion drive would make sense as Iran is the creator of this design 0-100. Plus lithium-ion drive could give it the quiteness, max. speed and endurance requirements as poentially low cost.

Subsystems, materials and quality controls/standards will be mastered with the 500t class Fateh. The jump to the 1200t Besat might be skipped for a larger sub with VLS for serious strike capability.

I could n't find any subs resembling Iranian one strongly but this could be closest:

The nuclear powered attack submarine known as project 705 in Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa-class_submarine

 

[Sineva]

I could n't find any subs resembling Iranian one strongly but this could be closest:

The nuclear powered attack submarine known as project 705 in Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa-class_submarine

LOL!
Thats just what I`d been thinking too,it does have a sort of russian attack sub look to it,tho the proportions are a bit wonky.
Awesome boats the Liras[Alphas],titanium hulled with liquid metal cooled reactors and 42 knots top speed,a real mig25 of the ocean,and an incredible technological achievement by the soviets.

 

[VEVAK]

Are you guys interested in the Type 054A frigate?

China can offer a reasonable discount price with TOT.

We are seeking for a deeper relationship, not just for money.

Although it is most defiantly an awesome ship that can most defiantly increase Iran's blue water capabilities but right now most of Iran's concerns are within 500km off Iranian shores to create a sufficient enough buffer in a conflict involving the U.S. and anything beyond that for surface vessels is simply peace time operations like escort, research, intel, anti piracy, training, diplomatic missions....

As for deepening defense ties with China I am most definitely for that because I have no doubt that China will own the future but the best way for both countries to improve on Defense Ties especially as it pertains to Iran is co-production or co-development of various military project because of 2 main reasons.
1. Iran experience in the Iran-Iraq war showed that true military capability is something that can't really be purchased and has to be developed with the right infrastructure and personal in place.
2.Due to Iran's current economic problems that only large and noticeable investments the people of Iran wont take issue with are investments that at the same time create jobs inside Iran and puts cash flow back into Iran's economy.

Also for the Navy Iran still has 5 Mowj class hulls built and or under construction that they are working towards finishing so I really don't see them making a large investment towards importing a large surface vessel any time soon. Now co produced or license production of subsystems for the Mowj class that can speed up their construction now that's a different story..... So is the co development of a larger new dry dock with Iran's Navy

But what I would like to see Iran and China do is co-development of a stealth interceptor UCAV that would lead towards a joint R&D program towards a 6th Gen fighter (Airframe) that can be fitted to do strikes or air superiority in the future. Joint hi speed helo programs that use rear vectoring propellers and advanced fly by wire systems with Helo's capable of reaching speeds nearing 500kph. Joint programs in the development of highly capable BLDC engines, advanced composites, UGV,....
Basically deepening ties to a point where Iran and China would a relationship and partnership far better than what the Israeli's have with the U.S.