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again wrong way to compare it statistically
by the way let look at the Iran literacy rate after the revolution
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the statistic of year to year increase in literacy rate show the highest increase was at the time before revolution between 1956 till 1966
those chart are from this research by Ali Kadivar about social justice after 40 year of revolution
there are interesting charts in it for example the most improvement in women life expectancy was before revolution
or the most increase in hospital beds / population was before revolution
or the most increase in number of doctors per population was before revolution
how before the revolution higher percent of people were home owner than after it
overall a very interesting research
and let see after revolution whose government increased the literacy rate the most
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yes the trio that you guys course every day , Moosavi, Hashemi and Khatami
interestingly your favorite president ahamadinejad decreased it in its first 2 year
this individual don't knew what wrong and irrelevant metaphor is
again wrong way to compare it statistically
by the way let look at the Iran literacy rate after the revolution
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the statistic of year to year increase in literacy rate show the highest increase was at the time before revolution between 1956 till 1966
there are interesting charts in it for example the most improvement in women life expectancy was before revolution
or the most increase in hospital beds / population was before revolution
or the most increase in number of doctors per population was before revolution
how before the revolution higher percent of people were home owner than after it
and let see after revolution whose government increased the literacy rate the most
yes the trio that you guys course every day , Moosavi, Hashemi and Khatami
interestingly your favorite president ahamadinejad decreased it in its first 2 year
Like I said myself, literacy rates were already on the way up before the revolution. It continued after the revolution. You have to give credit where credit it due. The current ruling establishment deserves some credit for continuing the trend & developing Iran further. However credit should also be given the the Pahlavi government. They began modernizing Iran at a time when Iran was a largely rural & agrarian society.
Regardless of all this, it's pretty obvious that Iran can't become a first world country & isn't going to reach its full potential unless it can trade openly with all nations without restrictions.
Just look at North Korea & South Korea. One country openly trades with the entire world without restrictions, the other is completely restricted & practices a belligerent & militaristic foreign policy. The standard of living & personal freedoms their people enjoy is like night & day, like two different planets.
What will pakistans generals and its deep state do if things start to really get out of control I wonder?,will they follow the egyptian example where mubarak was left to his fate,only for the deep state to then reassert itself when it felt the time was right by overthrowing the elected morsi government?.
show you even didn't read the article . it literally pop some people bubble worldYou think posting redundant charts in low resolution will somehow alter the established reality?
We're not comparing isolated stretches of those time periods but overall performance of two governments. The Pahlavi regime was imposed on the Iranian people by the British and the Americans from 1921 to 1979, and not merely between 1956 and 1966. So the window you cherry picked is plain irrelevant.
Pahlavi regime: +35 percentage points in 58 years of rule.
Islamic Republic: +47 percentage points in 44 years of governance.
109.7% reallyThis also explains why the literacy rate curve since 2005 is less steep. It's a natural phenomenon. Considering that primary school enrollment in Iran reached 109,7% in 2020, the Islamic Republic has achieved practically everything there's to achieve in terms of education of Iranian children. After the demise of the eldest age groups, Iran's literacy rate will automatically climb by several percentage points.
except Shahid Rajaee have no time to do any change and at at the time of Mr. Khamenei the power was in hand of prime minister not president and guess who was the prime minister . Mr. Moosavi.Not Ahmadinejad but seyyed Khamenei (h.A.) and shahid Reja'i were my favorite Presidents.
after 8 year it become clear who is more loyal to principels of Islamic Republic mr. Moosavi or mr, AhmadinejadExcept that it wasn't the same Musavi at all, but one who was pursuing diametrically opposite policies during those days and who was characterized by a radically different ideological outlook. Yes, under the premiership of the initial Musavi who used to be loyal to the principles of the Islamic Revolution (unlike the current Musavi we reject), and under the presidency of the present day Supreme Leader, the fastest rise was recorded. Indeed.
read the research i post , the fastest growth in literacy rate was in 1956-1966 when they divided it in 10 years periodsRather, it's that literacy improved more rapidly under the Islamic Republic.
I don't recall anybody mentioned that, it just made up in your mindTherefore, the notion that enhanced development is impossible without close relations with the west is disproved these figures.
like them do any thing that bother china.More importantly, sovereignty is absent from south Korea whereas the DPRK is fully independent.
it won't go out of control , their constitution literally allow the army to take control . in fact they like the unrest , they simply use it as an excuseWhat will pakistans generals and its deep state do if things start to really get out of control I wonder?,will they follow the egyptian example where mubarak was left to his fate,only for the deep state to then reassert itself when it felt the time was right by overthrowing the elected morsi government?.
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show you even didn't read the article . it literally pop some people bubble world
109.7% really
except Shahid Rajaee have no time to do any change
and at at the time of Mr. Khamenei the power was in hand of prime minister not president and guess who was the prime minister . Mr. Moosavi.
guess your favorite head of government was actually Mr. Moosavi.![]()
after 8 year it become clear who is more loyal to principels of Islamic Republic mr. Moosavi or mr, Ahmadinejad
read the research i post , the fastest growth in literacy rate was in 1956-1966 when they divided it in 10 years periods
and that was in a condition that before that period they had to force the parents to send their children to school
and it was in a time that Iran had literally no money and was dirt poor
don't recall anybody mentioned that, it just made up in your mind
like them do any thing that bother china.
I believe the moosavi was the same but Iran was not the same and moosavi looked at the country and world situation and gave his program and by the way I believe he is still far more loyal to Islamic Republic Ideals than mr. Ahmadinejad.You know perfectly well that the Musavi of the 1980's was the exact political opposite of the Musavi who resulted from the reformist transition. Ideologically unstable officials are useless over the long term.
thats how it's discussed in academic environment , not vague half century periods as pahlavi era of different periods are a lot different as Islamic republic era of different periods are also a lot different and you cant sum them up with each other, society is fluid entity it change it won't remain static so comparing the half century periods won't tell us anything meaningfulNobody was discussing 10-year periods but distinct governments as a whole.
and that parents wanted to use their children as free worker had nothing to do with that ?And that too was of the shah regime's own making. Because it failed at creating the conditions for a social-cultural environment in which deeply religious Moslem parents in Iran would be at ease with their children attending school.
still higher than after the revolution .Inoperative pretext. In fact Iran was submerged by oil income from 1973 to 1978 yet according to your own statement the growth in literacy slowed down during that period as compared to 1955-1965.
PyongYang rely on china for existence their only trade partner is china , everything they had is financed by china or provided by them , the chinese users want a korea like several hundred years ago that the korean emperor must be ratified by chinese emperor and had to give grain , gold, women and enuch on yearly base to chinese government so yes they complain that Korea is not aligned with them . but if you consider alignment definition in a more sane and moderate term then you see N. Korea is completely aligned with chinaThere are numerous Chinese users on this forum. Go ask them why the DPRK cannot be considered a Chinese vassal, and how Pyongyang's policies have run counter to Beijing's prefered outcome on more than one occasion. Korea's nuclear armament being among said policies.
I believe the moosavi was the same but Iran was not the same and moosavi looked at the country and world situation and gave his program and by the way I believe he is still far more loyal to Islamic Republic Ideals than mr. Ahmadinejad.
thats how it's discussed in academic environment , not vague half century periods as pahlavi era of different periods are a lot different as Islamic republic era of different periods are also a lot different and you cant sum them up with each other, society is fluid entity it change it won't remain static so comparing the half century periods won't tell us anything meaningful
its just good for propaganda but wont show us the whole story.
and that parents wanted to use their children as free worker had nothing to do with that ?
still higher than after the revolution .
PyongYang rely on china for existence their only trade partner is china , everything they had is financed by china or provided by them , the chinese users want a korea like several hundred years ago that the korean emperor must be ratified by chinese emperor and had to give grain , gold, women and enuch on yearly base to chinese government so yes they complain that Korea is not aligned with them . but if you consider alignment definition in a more sane and moderate term then you see N. Korea is completely aligned with china
the drive for increase literacy rate didn't start till 50s , islamic republic just followed the trendsAnd slower the rest of the time, to the point that the Pahlavi regime's overall performance in this regard can't hold a candle to the Islamic Republic's.
evil or not, nobody can deny children were used and still are used as free laborers"Evil" parents... The "Light of Aryans" was only begging for a chance to offer them what's best for them, but these ungrateful peasants rejected it. Do you hear yourself?
self sufficiency on what , that is the question on ridiculous philosophy of worshiping a family ?It's not a matter of alignment but of documented instances of Korea going against China's preferred choice. That means Korea is independent. Independence doesn't preclude freely established alliances or strategic cooperation. This said, no, Korea is enjoying a stark degree of self-sufficiency, it's very far from being supplied everything by China.
the drive for increase literacy rate didn't start till 50s , islamic republic just followed the trends
evil or not, nobody can deny children were used and still are used as free laborers
self sufficiency on what , that is the question on ridiculous philosophy of worshiping a family ?
they are not self sufficient on producing , food , their home appliances are imported from china , their factories are from china , ....
they rely on others for their energy , food , technology . their weapon technology is based on russian and chinese technology
not reallyAnd did so with greater success than the previous regime.
it was a decisive element in parents don't send their children to school and they had to use Gendarmes to make the parent send children to school, later in mid 50s to 60s the problem get solved and in 80s that islamic republic come to power there was no such problem for more than two decades so in reality Islamic republic had nothing to do with parent willingness to send their children to school , it more had to do with change in society and job market which all happened before revolutionIt is not a decisive factor in the evolution of literacy in Iran. The points I raised however are backed up by high profile academic research.
can you show us the results of those programs not the propaganda of the ruling familyRead up on the topic some more, and by that I don't mean dwelling on the cartoonish mainstream propaganda.
Right after the war, the DPRK embarked on one of the most ambitious programs ever introduced to achieve wide scale autarky. This ushered in an economy which can sustain itself in a largely self-sufficient manner, occasional shortcomings notwithstanding. Korean factories are Korean-made, a collectivized agriculture supplies food, and energy is gained from hydroelectric and coal plants (they even export electricity to China). As for their weapons technology, again the levels of autonomy are extremely high.
Either way, the government of the DPRK is up there among the single most independent ones. Their policies aren't dictated by anyone including the Chinese. They've shown that they wouldn't hesitate to opt for sovereignty over anything else, even if it means to endure tremendous hardships. So there's no chance that the DPRK would consent to act as a client state of China. In spite of this, Beijing will not turn its back on the DPRK simply because ongoing conditions serve the PRC's interest just fine, considering regional and global geopolitics.
not really
it was a decisive element in parents don't send their children to school and they had to use Gendarmes to make the parent send children to school, later in mid 50s to 60s the problem get solved and
in 80s that islamic republic come to power there was no such problem for more than two decades so in reality Islamic republic had nothing to do with parent willingness to send their children to school , it more had to do with change in society and job market which all happened before revolution
can you show us the results of those programs not the propaganda of the ruling family
This is normal, just about all human development is logarithmic. For thousands of years, seemingly nothing happens, in 200 years, we go from fighting with sharp objects and spears to nuclear weapons and spaceflight.Between Wright brothers and Apollo 11 there is less than 100 years of time.Pahlavi regime: +35 percentage points in 58 years of rule.
Islamic Republic: +47 percentage points in 44 years of governance.