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No, I am asking where you heard this. It was mentioned by an Iranian official?

TF30 is a 1960’s engine, so reverse engineering it wouldn’t be impossible But would a very serious jump in Iran’s capability.

I remember during the Qaher unveiling, an Iranian official said they presented the Supreme Leader with the the option to attempt to reverse engineer F-14, but he said no that we should build our own design. Now I don’t know if that was just ramblings of someone trying to make Qaher F-313 unveiling look good or not.

But I would be surprised Iran would stick an Iranian built TF-30 into an F-14 without testing it quite extensively to the point it was ready for mass production. Because losing an F-14 is a very very costly thing for Iran’s airforce.
It was in the interview with Azarmehr I posted earlier. I listened to the section again from 01:22:50 to 1:25:00 and He stated a home made engine was installed after extensive testing and combined with an American original on a tomcat but then crashed when I guess two indigenous engines installed? He didn't say two native engines, but that the craft crashed the day after it flew successfully with a native engine. So I'm not sure if there were 2 or 1 native made motors involved because he said that different engines were swapped in and out of that particular bird.
I also have to point that while most of what he says in the various interviews are already known in this forum and can be trusted, there are occasional claims that are not as well substantiated.
Another example is that he says that the kowsar can launch the fakour 90, therefore the kowsar radar is on par with the awg 9...
 
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Lolz, I gave a scientific paper based on scientific studies with tons of references, and you still deny it 😂😂

You clearly didn't read it.

So I have to drop it and believe you, come on .....

Anyway, whatever make your day .

Your “scientific paper” which has 1000 views (LOL) and has not been peer reviewed much less accepted by the wider scientific community. Not published in any major renowned worldwide medical journal (because it’s garbage and they wouldn’t accept this).

Anyone can publish a “scientific paper”, I could publish one saying data shows dinosaurs were wiped out by aliens. Doesn’t mean it’s true.

It’s “tons of references” are based on Christian theology.

Here’s a few of his “references”:


Which of course they don’t believe homosexuality is genetic based they believe it’s environment based or else they would have the moral dillmea of explaining why God “created” homosexuality. All the “pray the gay” crap that they spew that doesn’t work.

So no you didn’t provide a non-biased well recognized widely documented study/paper of the origins of homosexuality.

Which again even if this paper were true doesn’t explain homosexuality in the Muslim world if your argument is that western societies “produce” more homosexuals than Eastern and more specifically Muslim world due to their promotion of LGBTQ+ and acceptance of homosexuality and other gender disorders.
 
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The west is Fucked up, even Jordan Peterson was yesterday banned from Twitter for his position against Lgbt


On a funny note, this American on Ltbg




الحمد لله عل نعمة الإسلام 🙏

Incredible. Fact is that this deliberate social engineering we're witnessing (illustrated by the videos you shared), is increasingly becoming a major explanatory factor behind homosexuality. Because social engineers are bent on turning homosexuality into a trivialized practice so that it ceases being the highly marginal phenomenon it would otherwise remain in virtually every type of society.

To understand what motivates western regimes in doing this, it's necessary to look at the nature of the powerful lobby associated with the effort, its ideology and political program, and also how it integrates with the broader oligarchy's general project to completely uproot humans in every aspect of their identity (religious, national, and even sexual), destroy the family structure, detach people from any type of foundation so that the ultimate barriers to totalitarian control of the individual are removed. And that was my point.

Unfortunately they don't intend to spare the Muslim world either. Have you heard of UNESCO's so-called 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development? Through it, the powers-to-be are imposing LGBTism and gender theory in school curriculae of developing nations, including Islamic ones.

This is another reason why I believe theocracy is better armed than secularism to resist cultural aggression. In Iran, the Supreme Leader had to intervene in a direct manner to prevent Majles and the government, which were then controlled by Rohani's liberals, from ratifying and implementing the problematic clauses contained in the 2030 Agenda. And the Leader rarely makes use of to this kind of power.

If it wasn't for seyyed Khamenei, young children in Iran would now be shown pornographic style material under the guise of "sexual education", they would be told by school teachers that they can choose freely whether they want to be boys or girls, and that homosexuality is as regular and acceptable a practice as heterosexuality.

We can look at Russia as well: given that the government in Moscow views it as a duty to preserve their own religious tradition, it is holding its ground relatively well in this regard since it has a law which bans the advertising of homosexuality among minors, something western regimes are of course lambasting Russia for.

 
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Your “scientific paper” which has 1000 views (LOL) and has not been peer reviewed much less accepted by the wider scientific community. Not published in any major renowned worldwide medical journal (because it’s garbage and they wouldn’t accept this).

Anyone can publish a “scientific paper”, I could publish one saying data shows dinosaurs were wiped out by aliens. Doesn’t mean it’s true.

It’s “tons of references” are based on Christian theology.

Here’s a few of his “references”:


Which of course they don’t believe homosexuality is genetic based they believe it’s environment based or else they would have the moral dillmea of explaining why God “created” homosexuality. All the “pray the gay” crap that they spew that doesn’t work.

So no you didn’t provide a non-biased well recognized widely documented study/paper of the origins of homosexuality.

Which again even if this paper were true doesn’t explain homosexuality in the Muslim world if your argument is that western societies “produce” more homosexuals than Eastern and more specifically Muslim world due to their promotion of LGBTQ+ and acceptance of homosexuality and other gender disorders.
Where did I tried to explain anything or gave any argument??? I've only refuted your claim that homosexuality is only genetic related.

Even genes are influenced by environment.....

You obviously read in diagonal....


 
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Read mohsen's post again, as well as the subject of that documentary: it touches upon what I expounded on, namely the way in which the LGBT lobby and its backers in the political establishment of the west are engaging in promotion of homosexuality on a large scale, in other words striving to increase its frequency in society.

Nobody's denying that in every society, a small number of people are bound to exhibit this sort of tendency. But this here is about a political program taking aim at the social norm in terms of sexual practices. Also, it's paramount to take into account the key difference between individual homosexuals who confine the manifestation of their sexual tendency to the private sphere on the one hand - which has always been the norm, and (post-)modern homosexualism, a communalist and identitarian type of militancy with a specific social and political agenda on the other hand.

The "natural" occurrence of homosexuality you're referring to does not change the fact that in practically every human society throughout history, homosexuality has systematically been a marginal type of practice (in ancient Greece, it was more a case of institutionalized pederasty ie paedocriminality). Because that's what a society founded upon the nuclear family structure as well as human biology itself will inevitably generate: overwhelmingly heterosexual communities of people.

And now we have an oligarchic cabal which is trying to break apart this whole natural order, including every one of its intimately intertwined components - and yes, these are inextricably interdependent: family structure, principle of filiation, hetero-normativity, and correlation of biological and subjective gender identity as a highly dominant eventuality in human psychology.

The very same forces are busy instilling the notion of gender fluidity into the minds of children. Everyone should be able to see the immediate link that exists between dissociation of biological from subjective gender identity (which produces so-called gender fluidity) and disruption of hetero-normativity (the fact that heterosexual preference is most widespread by a huge margin).

This is not about whether homosexuals can be found everywhere. It's about an organized attempt from the powers-to-be to trivialize homosexuality, to make it as frequent as heterosexuality under the pretext of fighting against "all forms of discrimination", to spread its practice in society, and to "fluidify" both gender identity and so-called sexual preference since these two go hand in hand, in order to destroy the fundamental foundations upon which society has traditionally rested. The goal behind this is to rip humans away from their natural points of reference, to create an amorphous mass of identity-less, manipulable zombies.

There's an extensive agenda at work and the discussion is a social and political one in essence.

I agree with your notion that Western Societies are overly promoting LGBTQ+ culture. But it comes from a disingenuous place.

Let me explain:

First I can only speak of the US, but the country is divided roughly in half by the conservatives who more or less hate this promotion and the liberals who more or less think society should give a stage to those who have been shunned for so long.

I will say it is tiring to be shoved LGBTQ+ information 24/7 and I am not the only one who feels this way.

I should say I am not against what one wants to believe or feel. If someone who is homosexual wishes to be homosexual I think they should have that right. We need to avoid being God in this case. Wether it is morally right to be gay or bi sexual that is for them to decide not fellow citizens.

That being said the spread of transgender, gender neutral, binary, gender fluid, identifying as a horse (a joke) that to me points to signs of mental illness. But again maybe I am not “woke” enough to accept these additions. To me there was always straight, bi sexual, and homosexual.

Anyway back to the original topic, this LBTQ+ promotion is happening from a disingenuous place. It’s really happening from these mega companies who are promoting this as a way to gain further revenue and seem like they care about “social causes”. Quite a number of the executives of these companies are mostly conservative, yet in their press releases they promote this stuff. Very disingenuous. Only want to be seen by the public as up to date on latest issues and generate more revenue.

Hollywood has already milked this LGBTQ+ as much as they can. They thrown a character in every movie just to seem “woke”. If the story calls for LGBTQ+ character by all means put one in, but don’t try to force every movie to have some “wokeness”.

Anyway for Iran this is positive. If Western society wants to destroy its moral and fabric and stoke divisions then it only helps Iran as it weakens the empire.
 
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Where did I tried to explain anything or gave any argument??? I've only refuted your claim that homosexuality is only genetic related.

I never said they were ONLY. This is what I said:

The vast majority (if not nearly all) of homosexuality is a biochemistry issue not a environment issue.

Your scientific america article is a much more reputable source.

But the article itself comes with caveats to explain the issue around sexual orientation.

Following taken straight from the article:

Yet some researchers question whether the analysis, which looked at genes associated with sexual activity rather than attraction, can draw any real conclusions about sexual orientation.
Yet some fear that such a finding could be misused “cure” homosexuality, and most research teams have shied away from tackling the topic.
“The message should remain the same that this is a complex behavior that genetics definitely plays a part in,” said study co-author Fah Sathirapongsasuti, a computational biologist at genetic testing company 23andMe in Mountain View, Calif., during a press conference. The handful of genetic studies conducted in the past few decades have looked at only a few hundred individuals at most—and almost exclusively men. Other studies have linked sexual orientation with environmental factors such as hormone exposure before birth and having older brothers.

The fact that homosexuality has been observed in animals (including other mammals) points to a highly complex set of biochemistry issues.

It is not a simple as finding a single gene or handful of genes to switch off via CRISPR to “cure” homosexuality.

To simplify: I believe that at its core it is a biochemistry issue that can be amplified by the environment. But in absence of the required biochemistry issue/imbalance/etc. I do not believe an individual can become “homosexual” just from the environment alone.
 
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The vast majority (if not nearly all) of homosexuality is a biochemistry issue not a environment issue.
it is related to some anatomical different in brain

There's clearly a policy by western regimes, initiated around a decade ago, to promote homosexuality, and it starts with "sexual education" programs that are now part of school curriculae for kids as young as 6, 7 or 8. Parents trying to teach their children that they should be attracted by the opposite sex are punishable by law, in the name of "non discrimination".
you can't teach homosexuality as you can't teach sexual preference
 
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I never said they were ONLY. This is what I said:



Your scientific america article is a much more reputable source.

But the article itself comes with caveats to explain the issue around sexual orientation.

Following taken straight from the article:





The fact that homosexuality has been observed in animals (including other mammals) points to a highly complex set of biochemistry issues.

It is not a simple as finding a single gene or handful of genes to switch off via CRISPR to “cure” homosexuality.

To simplify: I believe that at its core it is a biochemistry issue that can be amplified by the environment. But in absence of the required biochemistry issue/imbalance/etc. I do not believe an individual can become “homosexual” just from the environment alone.
If you have read the guardian article regarding evolution new theories and genetics you will get my point : even genetics are influenced by environment.

Regarding the rare animal homosexuality, its also an environmental issue, where power, dominance, complexed social structure, scarce occasion to mate for many species, ....

There is a lot of incest in animals, it should be implemented in our culture, behaviour, laws .... ?? Let's make incest legal ✌️

We aren't animals to act like animals, or not?
 
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If you have read the guardian article regarding evolution new theories and genetics you will get my point : even genetics are influenced by environment.

No your point has shifted. It started out by saying majority of homosexuality is influenced by environment, now your viewpoint is more in line with mine (albeit still different).

You can be exposed to whatever environment you want, but without the genetic makeup that influences homosexuality (that we still don’t understand or can pinpoint)....you will not be a homosexual.

It is that easy. The military/CIA/etc have TRIED using the best scientists at their disposal to be able to convert straight men into gay men and FAILED thru various techniques/methods. It would be a powerful weapon in disabling armies.

I don’t see why this is so difficult for you to understand. The environment alone cannot turn someone gay. Nor can the environment turn someone’s genes on and off in right combination to make someone a homosexual. The genetic make up needs to already be “primed”. Just because we can’t pinpoint it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. We didn’t know if Black Holes even existed until the first one was indirectly detected.

And if you do some research you will see that many homosexual individuals first “knew” or “Felt” they were different long before puberty or even sexual thoughts could emerge. Very short time in environment.

The lack of research in this field should let you know it’s not something the medical community cares about. Securing funding to pinpoint sexuality is tough and pointless. Also it’s a Pandora’s box that doesn’t advance the medical advancement of humanity, but rather would open the way for fringe medical companies to attempt to reverse the effects of genetic make up that creates the opportunity for homosexuality to arise (in concert with ones environment stimulus or not). Thus it’s largely avoided at present time.

There is a lot of incest in animals, it should be implemented in our culture, behaviour, laws .... ?? Let's make incest legal ✌️

That’s a huge leap comparing incest to homosexuality. They are not comparable nor should they be.

Incest was appeared in many societies especially royal bloodlines to keep the blood “pure”. However, due to our lack of medical advancement at the time we did not understand the “genetic bottleneck” that would occur. Thus as can be seen in Ancient Egypt and other societies, this led to what we now know as major birth defects in offspring. Hence one major reason it is outlawed. And probably forbidden in monotheistic holy books as well. Homosexuality does not create such birth defects nor can they even spread their genes without a surrogate.

Morality is irrelevant. Many things that are immoral (strip clubs, prostitution, gambling, etc) are still legal in many countries.

It’s not homosexuality one needs to worry about, it’s the lack of child births around the world including societies like Iran that once were the youngest in the Middle East that are no rapidly aging in demographics. It’s the climate of the earth changing at a rapid pace.

A inverted demographics pyramid can collapse modern economies. A changing earth can wreck famine and drought on a mass scale.

It’s like watching a fire slowly consume your city then being fixated on traffic violations. Makes zero sense why humanity is focused on such trivial matters when there are major existential threats happening that we continue to ignore. This is exactly what governments want you to focus on while they avoid addressing the larger problems that can one day bring their collapse. Because if they told you what could happen, widespread panic would spread like that fire consuming the city.

Tackle the existential problems first before we start chasing morality and ethics issues of society. Or else there won’t be a society to police.
 
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I agree with your notion that Western Societies are overly promoting LGBTQ+ culture. But it comes from a disingenuous place.

Let me explain:

First I can only speak of the US, but the country is divided roughly in half by the conservatives who more or less hate this promotion and the liberals who more or less think society should give a stage to those who have been shunned for so long.

I will say it is tiring to be shoved LGBTQ+ information 24/7 and I am not the only one who feels this way.

I should say I am not against what one wants to believe or feel. If someone who is homosexual wishes to be homosexual I think they should have that right. We need to avoid being God in this case. Wether it is morally right to be gay or bi sexual that is for them to decide not fellow citizens.

That being said the spread of transgender, gender neutral, binary, gender fluid, identifying as a horse (a joke) that to me points to signs of mental illness. But again maybe I am not “woke” enough to accept these additions. To me there was always straight, bi sexual, and homosexual.

Anyway back to the original topic, this LBTQ+ promotion is happening from a disingenuous place. It’s really happening from these mega companies who are promoting this as a way to gain further revenue and seem like they care about “social causes”. Quite a number of the executives of these companies are mostly conservative, yet in their press releases they promote this stuff. Very disingenuous. Only want to be seen by the public as up to date on latest issues and generate more revenue.

Hollywood has already milked this LGBTQ+ as much as they can. They thrown a character in every movie just to seem “woke”. If the story calls for LGBTQ+ character by all means put one in, but don’t try to force every movie to have some “wokeness”.

Anyway for Iran this is positive. If Western society wants to destroy its moral and fabric and stoke divisions then it only helps Iran as it weakens the empire.
A suddenly rare piece of rational thinking. At the end, I suggest to our progressive and justice seeking friends that the rightness or wrongness of the alphabet soup strain is not a priority discussion. Furthering the implementation of justice, free education, elimination of disease, poverty, famine, are. Promotion of human purity, freedom of faith, happiness and wealth are.

Anything that gets in the way of those must be shoved aside. Examples are alphabet soup, ‘free speech’, etc.
 
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Mohsen get out of the Caveman age. Homosexuality has been seen among intelligent animals and traces its roots to earliest major human civilizations.

The vast majority (if not nearly all) of homosexuality is a biochemistry issue not a environment issue.

Homosexuality in Iran exists, so does that mean the IR of Iran are turning Iranians gay? Nonsense.
Your theories on homosexuality are false, lemme give you a better counter theory you cant counter - its linked to psychological + emotional damage from either absent or dysfunctional fathers. PROVE THAT WRONG. i've noticed in US that 90% of the gay people i know, had bad father relationships..and US has higher gay % than rest of the world - EU is apparently ~4% gay, but US is apparently 8-9% gay, and we know relationships in the US ARE FUCKD, so many single parents, so much narcissm, so much control and manipulation, and the deprioritization of what it takes to make people normal and ok - good family and family relationships...SAME THING WITH THE DRUGS - why US loves drugs the most? once again, US as a country has failed to raise normal balanced citizens...there is a reason Tsinghua university in China still categorizes homosexuality as a mental illness...because there are links between it and psychological imbalance.
 
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اثبات اینکه ایران موفق شد TF-30 را مهندسی معکوس کند کجاست؟



محسن از عصر غارنشین برو بیرون. همجنس گرایی در میان حیوانات باهوش دیده شده است و ریشه آن به اولین تمدن های بزرگ بشری می رسد.

اکثریت قریب به اتفاق (اگر نه تقریباً همه) همجنس گرایی یک موضوع بیوشیمی است نه یک موضوع محیطی.

همجنس گرایی در ایران وجود دارد، پس آیا این بدان معناست که جمهوری اسلامی ایران ایرانی ها را همجنس گرا می کند؟ مزخرف.
Iknow what ur thinking is .dont be like wind every time on better one side
 
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