Iranian Chill Thread

[sha ah]

Yeah when the prices go up too high, people won't pay and will purchase from wholesale retailers or they will look for ways to save money, like buying flour and making bread, growing their own vegetables, etc. So at the end of the day shop owners, smaller retailers will have to cut their profit margins for the time being or throw away their stock. Their choice. I mean they've made large profit margins for years so what now they can't cut their margins for a few months ?

Realistically right now wheat prices are at an all time high, the prices have doubled from last year. Oil prices / natural gas prices are extremely high right now, which makes transport of these goods expensive as well. The Ukraine war is causing alot of these price increases and at the same time the Rial is also low right now which also doesn't help the situation in Iran.

In the future if wheat prices fall, global energy prices stabilize and if the Rial even fluctuates and goes up in value a little, all these things will help stabilize the prices of goods/food. This is really the worst time right now and it may get worse but eventually things should calm down. Even if there's a recession, how long will it last 6 months ? 1 year ? 2 years ?

Regardless over time prices should stabilize. The Ukraine war shouldn't last more than a few more months so hopefully after that things will calm things down. The problem with the west is that they want their cake and they want to eat it too. They are currently sanctioning 1/3rd of all humanity. That essentially means that they're avoiding doing business with 2.6 billion people. In essence they're sanctioning themselves. I don't know but to me it just seems like an unsustainable and counterintuitive policy.

I mean think about it they're currently sanctioning Venezuela, Iran and Russia. These nations have the largest, 4th and 8th largest oil reserves in the world. No wonder petrol prices are so high. It's not rocket science. They're already trying to work out a deal with Venezuela but Venezuela has limited production capacity. Iran on the other hand could quickly pump out an additional 1-2 million barrels per day if sanctions are removed.

Like Putin said recently, their policy amounts to economic suicide, but at the end of the day its their choice. If they want to shoot themselves in the foot, so be it.

shop owners complaining at 18K toman for a 1 litre milk they don't have buyers .

I forgot chiken it went up from 40K to 60K then wen back to ~52K.

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Yeah when the prices go up too high, people won't pay and will purchase from wholesale retailers or they will look for ways to save money, like buying flour and making bread, growing their own vegetables, etc. So at the end of the day shop owners, smaller retailers will have to cut their profit margins for the time being or throw away their stock. Their choice. I mean they've made large profit margins for years so what now they can't cut their margins for a few months ?

Realistically right now wheat prices are at an all time high, the prices have doubled from last year. Oil prices / natural gas prices are extremely high right now, which makes transport of these goods expensive as well. The Ukraine war is causing alot of these price increases and at the same time the Rial is also low right now which also doesn't help the situation in Iran.

In the future if wheat prices fall, global energy prices stabilize and if the Rial even fluctuates and goes up in value a little, all these things will help stabilize the prices of goods/food. This is really the worst time right now and it may get worse but eventually things should calm down. Even if there's a recession, how long will it last 6 months ? 1 year ? 2 years ?

Regardless over time prices should stabilize. The Ukraine war shouldn't last more than a few more months so hopefully after that things will calm things down. The problem with the west is that they want their cake and they want to eat it too. They are currently sanctioning 1/3rd of all humanity. That essentially means that they're avoiding doing business with 2.6 billion people. In essence they're sanctioning themselves. I don't know but to me it just seems like an unsustainable and counterintuitive policy.

I mean think about it they're currently sanctioning Venezuela, Iran and Russia. These nations have the largest, 4th and 8th largest oil reserves in the world. No wonder petrol prices are so high. It's not rocket science. They're already trying to work out a deal with Venezuela but Venezuela has limited production capacity. Iran on the other hand could quickly pump out an additional 1-2 million barrels per day if sanctions are removed.

Like Putin said recently, their policy amounts to economic suicide, but at the end of the day its their choice. If they want to shoot themselves in the foot, so be it.

Agree with most of things you said but Russia part I don't agree.Russia is massive in agriculture and energy they will regain everything they lost in just 1-2 year expect soft power which takes more time.

 

[OldTwilight]

In the future if wheat prices fall, global energy prices stabilize and if the Rial even fluctuates and goes up in value a little, all these things will help stabilize the prices of goods/food

In Iran if something price goes up , then it will never get down ... this is how Iranians traders do business ... if they don't find buyer , they will just make artifical shortage of goods with help of government ...

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Report: Global Debt Hits Record $305 Trillion in Q1​

According to a report by the institution, the increase was largely driven by China ($2.5 trillion) and the US ($1.8 trillion), CNN reported.
In contrast, total debt in the eurozone fell for the third consecutive quarter, the IIF pointed out.

At 348% of global GDP, debt is 15 percentage points below its peak in the first quarter of 2021, with “stronger nominal GDP growth helping to lower rates,” the IIF added.

The move reflects rising inflation, and the global debt-to-GDP ratio fell for the fourth consecutive quarter in the first quarter of 2022, the report has highlighted.

Iran, Cuba Ink Barter Trade Roadmap Agreement​

Cuba is one of the main grain producers and is also considered a major market for Iranian commodities in Central and Latin America.

 

[sha ah]

Initially it was believed that Ukrainian grain production would be down by 30% this year compared to last year. Now they're saying that it could be down as much as 50% or more. Not only that but shippers are currently avoiding the Black Sea so that complicates matters even more.

On top of that, several grain producing nations, like Kazakhaztan, Russia, India, have banned exports to ensure their own food security. To make matters even worse, fertilizers from Russia, Belarus will be less accessible now because of sanctions. Russia is one of the largest fertilizer producers in the world.

Some analysts are saying that grain prices could double from their current price. Currently wheat prices have doubled from last year and are at an all time high. If the price doubled again it will lead to starvation and poverty for millions of people all over the world.

 

[Hack-Hook]

impractic

Yeah when the prices go up too high, people won't pay and will purchase from wholesale retailers or they will look for ways to save money, like buying flour and making bread

not practical and don't save money that much perhaps the end result would be more expensive

Yeah when the prices go up too high, people won't pay and will purchase from wholesale retailers

not all people can buy at the amount those people sale

In the future if wheat prices fall, global energy prices stabilize and if the Rial even fluctuates and goes up in value a little, all these things will help stabilize the prices of goods/food. This is really the worst time right now and it may get worse but eventually things should calm down. Even if there's a recession, how long will it last 6 months ? 1 year ? 2 years ?

i believe it when i see it

So it's $3 a kilo for rice ? What grade of rice and from where ? Corner store ? medium sized retailer ? wholesale retailer ? It depends, but that sounds like a pretty standard global price.

a question for you , is the price of producing grain the same all over the world ?
why when government want to remove subsidies and give people all the commodities at international price then don't pay them the same amount they receive for the same job for example in Eu.

 

[sha ah]

The price of producing wheat is not the same all over the world, but right now there is a major shortage so the price is spiking.

If Iran imports grains for example, they will pay the international rates, same as everyone else, maybe a little less for shipping. Without subsidies, that means it will cost the same in Iran as anywhere else. Of course turning that wheat into bread will cost alot less in Iran since the price of labor, rent, electricity is much cheaper.

Even in some of the most impoverished countries in the world most commodities cost the same. Many African countries where people make less than $1 a day, still the price of gold is the same, the price of wheat is the same, the price of many things are cheaper but gasoline in those countries costs 20x more than in Iran, so Iranians are still extremely lucky to have that.

The government can't control the weather. There are droughts in the entire region, therefore Iran has a shortfall in wheat production this year. Even if Iran could produce enough wheat, when the government allows exports, the price adjusts to international rates. Again without subsidies, the price will be the same as everywhere else.

This is why several nations like India, Russia, Kazakhstan are blocking exports right now. However if prices for commodities in one country are much cheaper than another, then that naturally leads to smuggling of goods outside the country, which is what we see in Iran on a large scale.

If tomorrow the Iranian government were to pay everyone in Iran as much as people make in the EU then they would have to print alot more money which means inflation would shoot up through the roof and the price of everything would go up 100 fold. It would lead to hyperinflation and would defeat the purpose. It has to be done gradually.

All economic policies work better when implemented gradually, otherwise it causes a shock to the system and people suffer. This is why I can't understand why the Iranian government didn't reduce the subsidies step by step, especially after they sold all their surplus oil and oil prices are so high right now. Not a smart move and very irresponsible if you ask me.

You say that baking your own bread is impractical, growing your own vegetables is impractical and you say that buying from larger retailers or wholesale retailers is impractical. I will have to agree to disagree with you. If people have no other choice, they have to make inconvenient or difficult choices. I know people who are very well off who bake their own bread, grow their own vegetables and buy from larger retailers, so it's not as impractical as you claim.

impractic

not practical and don't save money that much perhaps the end result would be more expensive

not all people can buy at the amount those people sale

i believe it when i see it

a question for you , is the price of producing grain the same all over the world ?
why when government want to remove subsidies and give people all the commodities at international price then don't pay them the same amount they receive for the same job for example in Eu.

This piece of trash accidentally admits his sins

 

[Hack-Hook]

You say that baking your own bread is impractical, growing your own vegetables is impractical and you say that buying from larger retailers or wholesale retailers is impractical. I will have to agree to disagree with you. If people have no other choice, they have to make inconvenient or difficult choices. I know people who are very well off who bake their own bread and grow their own vegetables and buy from larger retailers

you are welcome to do that when you live in a 50m apartment and the husband and wife had to work at least for 10-12 hours a day

this is from last year for this year you are free to decide for yourself .

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[925boy]

Sounds like the food price hike in Iran even made some Iranians on this thread bitter. It'll be better soon.

 

[SalarHaqq]

For the sake of further familiarization with the concept of communism, I would highly recommend everyone to watch the following conference.

Luckily at least one subtitled version of a presentation by this thinker is available. His understanding of Marx and communism is simply astonishing. Even if you're not so much into theory, do listen in, as I can guarantee you'll seldom come across a lecture as intellectually stimulating as this.

@Sineva @BigMelatonin

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In regards to communism and socialism, wasn't socialism the tool they used in their government system ?

I always have hard time when I think about a concept in theoretical point of view vs practical one then somehow I lean toward practical ones and take them as important one.not just what communism promised and what they delivered but in comparison vs others too.

Imagine today we find a intelligent being on moon and bring it to earth then educate it about these two capitalism and communism models.then we show two models of cars sales to this intelligent being :

a. A model when sales of cars are based on costumer demands.
b. A model when sales are based on producers desires.

how does this intelligent being categorize these two models ?which one belongs to which school of thought ?

My point was terminological in essence. Practically speaking, none of the two models you described would be conceivable under communism. For as said, in communism there is no money, no commodities, no buying / selling things, no paid labor, no price and no materialistic value to any object. It is truly the community of being, as opposed to the society of having (capitalism).

From a Marxian perspective, so-called communist states weren't communist, they were capitalist, state capitalist to be precise. Where there's a state - any state, no matter its characteristics, there is by definition no communism. Marx was saying no to the state, no to politics, no to economy, and resoundingly so.

Of course this applies to any model of mixed economy as well - whether inspired by Keynes, post-WW2 German ordo-liberalism, Scandinavian social-democracy, French welfare state, Russian Mencheviks and Social Revolutionaries, Proudhonian "anarcho"-federalism or etc, all of these to Marx were or would have been nothing but avatars of the capital, i.e. forms of governance and organization of the means of production which, at one point in time and space, were necessary for capital to deploy due to the stage in which capital was finding itself in accordance with the social processes stemming from the historical dialectics of the class struggle.

But I believe that basically, you were advocating a mixed type of economy for Iran. And I concur with that, Iran needs a mixed economy, not unfettered US-style capitalism.

 

[Oldman1]

But they have surrendered and at the start Ukraine had 14,000 troops and allied militia defending Mariupol. All together only a few thousand survived and surrendered. That sounds like a defeat to me but who knows.



Atleast the government is doing something to offset food prices for the poor.

Iran Gives More to the Poor as Rising Prices Spur Protests - BNN Bloomberg

Iran’s government has hiked payments for the poor to help offset a sharp increase in food prices that has stirred unrest.

www.bnnbloomberg.ca

It definitely wasn't 14k defenders, it was way less than that. No more than 5k at most. Don't be shocked by that.

 

[TheImmortal]

It definitely wasn't 14k defenders, it was way less than that. No more than 5k at most. Don't be shocked by that.

Dude close to 5K surrended in last month - what war do you follow.

It was likely around 10K or so or 10 BTGs with the majority being Azov Battalions, as that’s where they decided to make their stand.

 

[Oldman1]

Dude close to 5K surrended in last month - what war do you follow.

It was likely around 10K or so or 10 BTGs with the majority being Azov Battalions, as that’s where they decided to make their stand.

5k didn't surrender, don't know where you got that number.

 

[TheImmortal]

5k didn't surrender, don't know where you got that number.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1527000568467705857

That’s just last 72 hours.

Non-Azov have been surrending throughout the battle of Mariupol. Another 2K+ there.

The fact you think 5K could even hold a city as big as Mariupol is hilarious.

 

[Oldman1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1527000568467705857

That’s just last 72 hours.

Non-Azov have been surrending throughout the battle of Mariupol. 2K+ there.

The fact you think 5K could even hold a city as big as Mariupol is hilarious.

LOL! 1744 in last 72 hours. Think about it. 14k defenders? How many does Russia need to take on a city containing around that number? You really believe 2k surrender before that? It was only a few hundred since in the videos show only a few hundred and I've looked at them. Not in the thousands like Russia claims.

The Russians are resorting to saying that some western general is leading the defense like some Canadian general or something, that it was the only reason why the Ukrainians have defended so fiercely. Or in general the whole war they claim they are fighting NATO and not the Ukrainians because its embarrassing right?