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not isolated i can post hundreds of such thing.

I will do you even better:

Between 2001 to 2009, over 100,000 homes were built in USA using toxic Chinese drywall known for leaking toxic chemicals.


That’s just one incident of highly poor construction in US, a 1st world country with some of the strictest building codes in the world.
 
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Azov battalion get the green bus treatment, or the white bus treatment I guess. The western mainstream media still won't admit it's a surrender. They're portraying it as a victory.


Depends on the point of view. I see it as a military defeat but in terms of morale and the time bought early in the war and casualties the defenders of Mariupol have inflicted on the Russians, it can lead to victory. Remember the Alamo!
 
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But they have surrendered and at the start Ukraine had 14,000 troops and allied militia defending Mariupol. All together only a few thousand survived and surrendered. That sounds like a defeat to me but who knows.

Depends on the point of view. I see it as a military defeat but in terms of morale and the time bought early in the war and casualties the defenders of Mariupol have inflicted on the Russians, it can lead to victory. Remember the Alamo!

Atleast the government is doing something to offset food prices for the poor.

 
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Let me give the Communists in here an example of Iranian governments goodwill:

Pardis was a suburb of Tehran started under Ahmadinejad for low income families. An area people made fun of and brushed it off. With as low as 40,000 toman via a payment program a family could own a vital asset. Today Pardis is worth over 1,000,000 toman. Imagine the difference it made for those families. Today Pardis is one of the desirable suburbs/townships outside of Tehran.

Chitgar a now influential suburb was an IRGC backed project that sold to IRGC families (or had connections to IRGC) was also very cheap compared to market prices and markets prices now reach 2,000,000 toman and is one of the most desirable places of Tehran.

Now ask yourself, what government in the world does that for its citizens? Does USA? Does EU? Does Turkey? Does South Korea?

Never imagined you at the door collecting rent of your rentals
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Asking the government to basically subsidize and entire economy will only bankrupt that country as it grows into the future, like US that instituted New Deal back in 1930’s and now is paying the price in 2000’s.

Consequence of the New Deal? The New Deal belongs to almost a century ago, and it represented just a brief exception in the history of the US regime. The rest of the time, the American regime has been practicing no holds barred ultra-capitalism with close to zero social policies to balance them out. Of all developed economies, the USA has consistently been the one to feature the smallest amount of social welfare measures.

After WW2, the US regime quickly reverted back to unfettered capitalism and did away with the heritage of the New Deal. Ever since the 1980's and the triumph of the Chicago and Austrian schools of neoclassical economics, this madness has reached new heights (despite a relative relaxing of the doxa of monetary rigor during the last two decades).

Current dysfunctions of the US economy have nothing to do with macroeconomic policies implemented some 90 years ago. They are a consequence of contemporary policies which are anything but socially-oriented. On the contrary, these policies mark the epitome of free market thinking, enhanced by a steady increase in the relative weight of the financial sector over the real economy.

It's capitalism in its wild, dog-eat-dog form that has reached a dead end. This is the face of American-style capitalism in 2022:

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https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/us/26tents.html

If rising numbers of USA citizens can no longer afford proper medical treatment, if rising amounts of middle-class Americans need to go to Mexico to be able to afford a dental prosthesis, it is not because of the US government's expenditure on public healthcare (which happens to be minimal in international comparison) - it's because these expenditures are way below required levels.

There is zero justification for the wealthiest country on earth to treat its people in such a manner. And this misery is certainly not a consequence of social policies, because the USA happens to be one of the developed countries that spends the least on social welfare programs, isn't it.

Let me give the Communists in here an example of Iranian governments goodwill:

It has nothing to do with communism. Germanic tribes who crushed the Roman legions in 9 AD were communist. Native Americans were communist.

Communism means: no state authority, no public institutions, no currency nor other means of payment, no paid labor and no 'enslaving' salary, no private property, no professions, no organized education (from a communist perspective, just another superstructure tailored to serve the interests of the capitalist class), no division of knowledge into separate scientific disciplines, no education system dispensing this sectorial knowledge, no organized institutional religion, and so on and so forth.

Literally worlds apart from any existing human polity since the advent of civilization several millennia ago. Even so-called communist states of the former Soviet bloc were nothing but state capitalist entities when viewed from an authentic Marxian angle (the notion of "Marxism" being a contradiction in terms, since Marx himself famously wrote, in one of his correspondences with Engels if I'm not mistaken, that he was no "Marxist" and elsewhere suggested that anything he wrote was implicitly known to every worker, and deeply inscribed in their guts).

Iran is an example of a mixed economy. Basically still a market economy, but where the most undesirable consequences of capitalism are moderated by rather extensive social welfare measures.

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They are not taking away the subsedies..... they are giving the money directly to the people, instead of the induesties.....

Too much of the subsedised goods were being smuggled to neighbouring countries, where they dont have subsidies.
Atleast the government is doing something to offset food prices for the poor.


This is key. The Islamic Revolution was carried out under the banner of social justice and the rights of the disinherited, the mostaz'afin. What is more, unregulated capitalism is not compatible with Islamic ethics. A system like America's, where the top 1% hold more wealth than the entire middle class, where social inequalities are constantly on the rise, where the contrast between rich and poor is mind-boggling and where the downtrodden are left to survive in the most abject conditions despite the over-abundance of wealth at the national level, cannot be a model for Iran.



The Islamic Republic is never going to regress to US-style wild capitalism. Doing so would represent treason against the most basic principles of the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

This does not mean that certain aspects of Iran's economy cannot be reformed or adapted to evolving circumstances. For instance, boosting direct handouts to the poor in exchange for cuts on subsidies on specific products which otherwise would be smuggled out en masse, or avoiding to pay subsidies to the rich who don't need them, these are sound and admissible policies. But never shall the IR settle for an uncontrolled type of market economy.

Liberals (reformists & moderates) in Iran are bent on introducing exactly that sort of an ultra-capitalist economic order and to minimize state intervention in the economy down to American levels. Needless to say, whatever pressures exist on the poor would be multiplied several fold if Iran began liberalizing her economy to a such degrees. The notions of wealth "trickling down" in a savage capitalist economy, of an "invisible hand" auto-regulating markets, or of masses being lifted out of poverty thanks to adequate training adjusting them to the requirements of the job market, are essentially myths. Nothing can replace well thought out, governmental social welfare programs.

On a sidenote, as long as the massive propaganda and psy-ops campaign of the zio-American empire is targeting the Iranian people, the latter are not going to be able to properly evaluate their objective social-economic situation in light of prevailing international standards, and will always complain in a cruelly disproportionate manner considering the fact that they have it much better than citizens of so many other nations. Whether Iran liberalizes her economy or on the contrary spends more on social welfare, nothing will change in this regard, since the subjective perceptions of the Iranian public will keep getting skewed by the enemy's colossal brainwashing enterprise.

However, the IR should stick to its Islamic duty to ensure decent living standards for the poor thanks to governmental regulation of markets, even if some people are too brainwashed to grasp the benefits they're being blessed with.
 
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Consequence of the New Deal? The New Deal belongs to almost a century ago, and it represented just a brief exception in the history of the US regime. The rest of the time, the USA regime has been practicing no holds barred ultra-capitalism with close to zero social policies to balance them out. Of all developed economies, the USA has consistently been the one to feature the least amount of social welfare measures.

After WW2, the US regime quickly reverted back to unfettered capitalism and did away with the heritage of the New Deal. Ever since the 1980's and the triumph of the Chicago and Austrian schools of neoclassical economics, this madness has reached new heights (despite a relative relaxing of the doxa of monetary rigor during the last two decades).

Current dysfunctions of the US economy have nothing to do with macroeconomic policies implemented some 90 years ago. They are a consequence of more recent policies which are anything but socially-oriented. On the contrary, these policies mark the epitome of free market thinking, enhanced by a steady increase in the relative weight of the financial sector over the real economy.

It's capitalism in its wild, dog-eat-dog form that has reached a dead end. This is the face of American-style capitalism in 2022:

27sanfrancisco-web01-superJumbo.jpg

26sacramento2_600.JPG

Herring-Tent-Cities-1A.jpg

0320_tent_460x276.jpg



https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/us/26tents.html

If increasing numbers of US citizens can no longer afford proper medical treatment, if increasing amounts of middle-class Americans need to go to Mexico to be able to afford a dental prosthesis, it is not because of the US government's expenditures for public healthcare (which happen to be minimal in international comparison anyway) - it's because these expenditures are way below the levels the should be at.

There is zero justification for the wealthiest country on earth to treat its people in such a manner. And the misery is certainly not a consequence of social policies, because the USA happens to be one of the developed countries that spends the least on social welfare.



It has nothing to do with communism. Germanic "barbarians" who crushed the Roman legions in 9 AD were communist. Native Americans were communist.

Communism means: no state authority, no public institutions, no money, no paid work and no enslaving salary, no private property, no professions, no organized education (another superstructure tailored to serve the interests of the capital), no division of knowledge into separate scientific disciplines, no education system dispensing this sectorial knowledge, no organized institutional religion, and so on and so forth.

Literally worlds apart from any existing polity since the advent of so-called civilization several millennia ago. Even so-called communist states of the former Soviet bloc were nothing but state capitalist entities if viewed from a proper Marxian angle (the notion of "Marxism" is an absurdity, Marx himself in one of his famous correspondences with Engels explicitly stated he was no "Marxist" and suggested that anything he wrote was implicitly known to every worker, and deeply inscribed in their guts).

The Islamic Republic's economic policies do not even constitute socialism. Iran is an example of a mixed economy. Basically still a free market economy, but where the most undesirable consequences of capitalism are moderated by social welfare measures.

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This is key. The Islamic Revolution was carried out under the banner of social justice and the rights of the disinherited, the mostazaf'in. What is more, unregulated capitalism is not compatible with Islamic ethics. A system like America's, where the top 1% own more than 32% of the nation's wealth, where social inequalities are constantly on the rise, where the contrast between rich and poor is mind-boggling and where the downtrodden are left to survive in the most abject conditions despite the over-abundance of wealth at the national level, is not conforming to the teachings of Islam.


No, the Islamic Republic is never going to regress to US-style, wild capitalism. Doing so would represent treason against the most basic principles of the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

This does not mean that certain aspects of Iran's economy cannot be reformed or adapted to evolving circumstances. For instance, increasing direct handouts to the poor in exchange for cuts on subsidies to specific products which otherwise would be smuggled out en masse, or avoiding to pay subsidies to the rich who don't need them, these are sound and admissible policies. But never shall the IR settle for an uncontrolled type of market economy.

Liberals (reformists & moderates) in Iran are bent on introducing exactly that sort of an ultra-capitalist economic order and to minimize state intervention in the economy up to American levels. Needless to say, whatever pressures exist on the poor would be multiplied several fold if Iran began liberalizing her economy to a significant degree. The notions of wealth "trickling down" in a savage capitalist economy, of an "invisible hand" auto-regulating markets, or of masses being lifted out of poverty thanks to adequate education and training to adjust them to the requirements of the job market are mere myths. Nothing can replace well thought out, governmental social welfare programs.

On a sidenote, as long as the massive propaganda and psy-ops campaign of the zio-American empire is targeting the Iranian people, the latter are not going to be able to properly evaluate their objective social-economic situation in light of prevailing international standards, and will always complain more than they should considering the fact that they have it much better than citizens of comparable nations. Whether Iran liberalizes her economy or on the contrary spends more on social welfare, nothing will change in this regard, since the subjective perceptions of the Iranian public will continue getting skewed by the enemy's colossal brainwashing enterprise.

However, this does not mean that the IR should forego its duty to ensure decent living standards for the poor thanks to governmental regulation of markets.
There are multiple levels of "capitalism" and also there are multiple levels of "communism".

let's say 0 is ultimate "communism" which is a system where everyone gets equal share of wealth and power.this is the worst type possible because capabilities of people are very different.

Then 1 is ultimate "capitalism" where all power and wealth belongs to one man and he decides what's best for everyone else.you may see this case in ancient Egyptian kingdoms.
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Another "capitalism" model in ancient Iran.28 ambassadors of different regions carry king on their toes (simbolic sign of no pressure).

Today there are multiple governing models around the world and if you want to categorize each model I guess you won't even find a 0 to 0.2 communism or 1 to 0.6 capitalism.
 
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There is not Islamic Republic left ... its so called Islamic state ... lets see what this so called Islamic state will do ...

There are multiple levels of "capitalism" and also there are multiple levels of "communism".

let's say 0 is ultimate "communism" which is a system where everyone gets equal share of wealth and power.this is the worst type possible because capabilities of people are very different.

Then 1 is ultimate "capitalism" where all power and wealth belongs to one man and he decides what's best for everyone else.you may see this case in ancient Egyptian kingdoms.
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Another "capitalism" model in ancient Iran.28 ambassadors of different regions carry king on their toes (simbolic sign of no pressure).

Today there are multiple governing models around the world and if you want to categorize each model I guess you won't even find a 0 to 0.2 communism or 1 to 0.6 capitalism.
Capitalism lead to fall of Sassanid with Manavi and Mazdaki religion become widespread and shake the foundation of society ...
in fact Manavi and Mazdaki were acting like 5th column of Arab invader in hope of better opportunity in Arab empire
 
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Some of responces of the Iranians shows the typical negative attitudes in the country.... millions of people got cheap houses buit for them by the goverment, and instead of being thankful, they just bitch about the negative things.....

Also, as someone who has travelled to many countries, I would say that Iran´s public transport is not bad at all.... if you want to see none existant public transport system, go to California.... those who have lived in California know exactly what I am talking about.

And if you want the public transport system in Iran to be better.... then perhaps the money can come from the subsidies that the government is dishing out.... much of which are smuggeled to neighbouring countries. See how every week we hear reports of oil tankers smugelling Iranian diseal in the Persian Gulf....

You cant have subsidised life, and still have money leftover for world class mass transport systems.
 
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Some of responces of the Iranians shows the typical negative attitudes in the country.... millions of people got cheap houses buit for them by the goverment, and instead of being thankful, they just bitch about the negative things.....

Also, as someone who has travelled to many countries, I would say that Iran´s public transport is not bad at all.... if you want to see none existant public transport system, go to California.... those who have lived in California know exactly what I am talking about.

And if you want the public transport system in Iran to be better.... then perhaps the money can come from the subsidies that the government is dishing out.... much of which are smuggeled to neighbouring countries. See how every week we hear reports of oil tankers smugelling Iranian diseal in the Persian Gulf....

You cant have subsidised life, and still have money leftover for world class mass transport systems.

Government get all the money from people ....
Did you ever tried to travel from Karaj to Tehran for work every day !?
How much money you should pay for transformation in Iran compare to your income !?
 
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Iran probably has the cheapest public transport costs in the world... but that is not my point... my point is the money you have, you either spend it on subsidies, or invest in your infrastructure.

You cant have it both.
Iranians seem to think that problems only exist in Iran, and in Europe and America people dont have tough decisions to make about their financial lives....

Do you for examle know that according to the governmnet figures in England, over 17,000 die in their homes each year because they can´t afford to warm up their homes?!!! (Things are a lot worse this year by the way).

 
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Japanese Traveler Describes Journey Across Iran and Ancient Persian Sites // (1899) Yenaga Toyokichi

How I fell in love with Persian language and Iran🇮🇷-Travel vlog in Isfahan

 
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People like you live in a fairy tale land. Look at what rial was worth during the war and look at what it is is worth today. Look at a gasoline and natural gas consumption in Iran during the war and look at it today. List goes on and on. Don’t compare two very different time periods and try to make a direct correlation.

On one hand you decry JCPOA and claim Iran doesn’t need it then cry when Iran is forced to cut subsidies.

Iran’s foreign exchange reserves are frozen and limited oil sales means even less Petrodollars and Petroeuros are flowing into Iran’s coffers.....thus you have to cut subsidies. And no 1MBPD is not enough money to cover all of Iran’s various subsidies (oil, electricity, foods, medicines, government workers salaries, various government programs and projects).

So if you are anti-JCPOA you have to realize these subsidies will need to go as well. And they should go, they drain the governments coffers. It’s a miracle they lasted this long. Look at what happened in to Hugo Chavez’s Socialist Venezuela after government coffers got depleted beyond repair due to falling oil
Revenues/corruption while maintaining a high socialist subsidized society.
…and then Sparky compares the incomparable to…drumroll…Venezuela.

Kool-aid anyone?
 
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