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No, the choice is between life and death of the nation, simple as that. "Educated and capable" has no worth if it is accompanied by uprooting of national identity, de facto loss of sovereignty and soon to come dissolution into a supranational entity as is the case in Europe. You can have that in the west, we will not allow it in Iran.



That's a strawman, beside the point.



Sadly, your apparent indifference to the power and influence of zionism, masonry and the globalist elites is preventing you from correctly identifying the root causes of the very issues you listed above. As well as the fact that these are rooted in the policies of liberal administrations (both moderates and reformists).

But, this is a massive strawman yet again, which I'm not going to get embroiled in. Let's not deflect from the problem at hand.

So once again, here's the issue: if the demographic decline goes on, Iran's economy will experience fundamental, structural breakdown. Thence, social-economic challenges - whether housing, poverty, wealth distribution and what not, will not be able to be addressed in any shape or form.

By then, only solution will remain: mass immigration, with all its adverse effects on national cohesion and identity.



You don't seem to come to terms with the fact that demographic slump is irreversible. No nation affected has managed to get out of it. South Korea spent billions to this effect, but failed miserably. While nations of Europe didn't even try: they went for mass immigration right away.



By your suggestion, there will no longer be such as thing as an Iranian child in the proper sense of the term 30 years from now. Cosmopolitan, disoriented, zombies conceiving of themselves and anyone else as "world citizens", deprived of an actual identity and civilizational rooting, yes. But not Iranians in the effective sense.
Just ask you two question .
Was the person who said "if poverty come from the door faith go out of windows " wrong ?
And how much of our national identity is our faith and culture ?
 
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Was the person who said "if poverty come from the door faith go out of windows " wrong ?
Yes, he was wrong. My life experience, as well as the life experience of most people I know, quite strongly suggest that poor people are generally more religious and faithful to their beliefs than rich people, or the middle class.
 
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Yes, he was wrong. My life experience, as well as the life experience of most people I know, quite strongly suggest that poor people are generally more religious and faithful to their beliefs than rich people, or the middle class.
For the record he was Ali-ibn-Abitaleb first Shia Imam and 4th Caliph .
 
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Yes, he was wrong. My life experience, as well as the life experience of most people I know, quite strongly suggest that poor people are generally more religious and faithful to their beliefs than rich people, or the middle class.
That actually Depends dear friend

آدم رو سگ بگیره جو نگیره سخته :omghaha:
 
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LOOL @ weak Azerbaijan thinking it could step up to the boss. smh.

The Iran-Azerbaijan gas swap deal: Has Tehran’s tough posturing paid off?
The Turkish-supported gas swap deal is not so much a capitulation as a calculated concession from Azerbaijan, which now acknowledges its relationship with Israel as an Iranian red line.
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By Agha Hussain
December 14 2021
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Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev signed an agreement to swap natural gas on November 28 in Ashgabat, Turkmenistan
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Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi signed a gas swap deal with his Azerbaijani counterpart Ilham Aliyev on the sidelines of the 28 November Economic Cooperation Organization (ECO) summit in Ashgabat, Turkmenistan. The timing of the deal and its geostrategic significance outweighs its economic impact for both sides. For Iran, in particular, it represents the first concrete result of the rapid overhaul of its regional posture in recent months.
The standoff and Iran’s hardline approach
The deal ended the October-November escalation between Iran and Azerbaijan, which has featured unprecedented Iranian war games on their shared borders and symbolic steps in challenging several of Baku’s regional interests unless it accounted for Tehran’s concerns.
In a 3 November analysis for The Cradle, this author described Iran’s conduct as the initiation of a new, more assertive posture in Eurasia. The aims of this new posture are to exert damage control over regional trends favorable to Iran’s adversaries and to establish the potency and credibility of Iran’s regional red lines.
In the South Caucasus, this means reversing Azerbaijan’s confidence in Israel as a positive contributor to its regional standing, and pressuring Baku to place its relationship with Tel Aviv on the bilateral negotiating table between itself and Iran.
From this point onward, Tehran can effectively wield the threat of challenging Azerbaijani regional interests as a bargaining chip to scale back Baku’s ties with Tel Aviv. Such challenges include taking steps to reroute the North South Transport Corridor (NSTC) from Azerbaijan to Armenia or stationing troops in Armenia’s south to deter the implementation of Azerbaijan’s prized Zangezur Corridor across that area.
The gas swap deal is Iran’s first inroad in this stratagem.
The gas swap deal de-escalation
According to the deal, Iran will receive Turkmen gas and then send an equivalent amount of Iranian gas to Azerbaijan.
By involving Iran in its regional trade as a means of defusing tensions, Azerbaijan validates Iran’s new hardline posture toward it through this key concession. Specifically, Azerbaijan acknowledges and assuages Iran’s heightened perception of threat in any moves toward crafting a regional economic and security order that does not include a tangible role for the Iranians.
Notably, since this perception of threat is derived almost entirely from Iran’s oft-enunciated view of any such moves as an extension of Israel’s global campaign to isolate it, the deal qualifies as a concession from Azerbaijan, even if indirect, on the issue of its ties with Israel.
From Iran’s perspective, this is a milestone of sorts for its new hard power approach to the region.
The gas deal represented Azerbaijan’s shift from its previously dismissive stance toward Iran’s Israel-centric criticisms of its policies in exchange for Iran winding down its aggressive military posturing on the border.
This serves to activate the bilateral bargaining arrangement Iran seeks.
Under the principle of reciprocity enshrined by such arrangements, any attempts by Baku to revert to its old practice of safeguarding its relations with Tel Aviv from Iranian scrutiny may be met by Tehran’s return to an aggressive posture.
As a result, Azerbaijan would find a mounting set of new challenges at its doorstep, a year after its historic victory over Armenia in the second Nagorno-Karabakh war. The risk factor of its relationship with Israel could therefore skyrocket quicker than President Aliyev would be willing to roll it back, given Azerbaijan’s longstanding reliance on the US-based Israel lobby as a shield against unfavorable US policies promoted by the Armenian-US diaspora.
Tehran, however, would have options aplenty in the potential military and geo-economic alliances with Yerevan to continue mounting pressure on Baku.
The Turkey factor
To Azerbaijan, Turkey has been its single most constant and reliable guarantor of security and economics throughout its tussles with Armenia. However, Azerbaijan’s ties with Turkey factor in very differently when it comes to tensions and potential conflict with Iran.
Eldar Mamedov, an Azerbaijani analyst at Eurasianet and the Quincy Institute, states that “… military confrontation with Iran – a country with eight times the population – clearly is not in Baku’s interests. All the more so because even Baku’s main ally, Turkey, is unlikely to fight a war with Iran on Azerbaijan’s behalf.”
Citing Turkey’s self-interest in keeping its own differences with Iran to manageable levels, Mamedov adds that “policymakers in Baku would be wise to realize the limits of the Turkish support in any potential future conflagration with Tehran.”
Turkey’s influence, in fact, looms large in the details of the gas swap deal. Giving Iran transit state status in the Turkmenistan gas trade is a decision set in the context of geo-economics – where Baku has traditionally taken its cue from Ankara, whose territory is the terminus for Azerbaijan’s most vital trade and transport links, such as the BTC oil pipeline, the Southern Gas Corridor (SGC) pipelines, and the BTK railway.
Of great interest to Iran is that Turkish interests seem to propel the planned Azerbaijan–Turkmenistan gas trade more than Azerbaijani ones.
Azerbaijan’s interest in Turkmen gas does not extend beyond buying it to fill the unutilized capacity of SGC, which it will be able to do itself once it boosts its own gas production.
Turkey, however, has long sought the revival of the dormant Trans Caspian Gas Pipeline (TCP) connecting Turkmenistan via the Caspian Sea to Azerbaijan with the objective of further linkage to the SGC, through which Turkmen gas then flows to Europe via Turkey.
The TCP is core to Turkey’s drive to render itself Turkic Central Asia’s ultimate gateway to the west. This would entail Turkmen gas exports to and transit across Azerbaijan at a much larger, longer-term scale.
Since the discovery in the 1990s of huge gas fields in its own Caspian waters, Azerbaijan has, in fact, treated Turkmenistan as a potential competitor for the European market.
Baku therefore walked away from the TCP project, declining to settle its maritime dispute with Ashgabat over the Dostluk gas field, which itself was enough to inhibit work on the TCP. So when Azerbaijan resolved the Dostluk dispute in January this year and agreed to jointly develop it with Turkmenistan, Ankara’s influence once again stood out.
The fact that Azerbaijan’s top ally sees fit to deploy Turkish-Azerbaijani regional interests as collateral for de-escalation with Iran will therefore encourage Iranian strategists by adding pressure on Baku to accept Iran’s assertive behavior as a ‘new normal.’
Iran-Azerbaijan tensions are far from over
Despite Iran’s gains from it, the gas swap deal is still a calculated concession from Azerbaijan and far from a capitulation.
Once the TCP is built, the swap arrangement with Turkmenistan via Iran will become redundant, as Turkmen gas will be piped directly to Azerbaijan. This is not an unlikely scenario given that the wealthy European Union (EU) designated the TCP a ‘project of common interest,’ thus qualifying it for EU financing and diplomatic support.
This factor raises the stakes – and the risks – in the Iran-Azerbaijan bilateral relationship. More hawkish minds in Baku may, after all, be inclined to interpret the completion of Iran bypassing TCP and the disposal of the gas swap arrangement as a sign that isolating Iran in the South Caucasus has become a viable strategy.
Such a notion would almost certainly receive enthusiastic backing from Israel, who lacks Turkey’s economic incentive in averting an Iran-Azerbaijan conflict and may even see Baku’s reliance on its US lobby deepen if it heads into a fight without Turkey’s blessing.
Ultimately, for Baku, these are fairly risky variables on which to base its present and future roadmap for dealing with Iran. In contrast, Tehran benefits from a more reliable set of options to sustain and escalate its posture when required, with the decisive advantages of geography and size playing to its favor.
The views expressed in this article do not necessarily reflect those of The Cradle.
https://thecradle.co/Article/analysis/4666
 
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The Turkish Lira continues to crash and burn. From 14.5 to 15.65 in one day. A few days before that it was at the 13.5 range. At this rate 20 is a realistic number. I feel sorry for ordinary Turks.

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Iran allows IAEA to reinstall cameras at Karaj nuclear facility

IAEA to not have access to the recordings from the cameras, which will be installed ‘after technical reviews by Iranian experts’.

 
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That actually Depends dear friend

آدم رو سگ بگیره جو نگیره سخته :omghaha:
واقعیت جامعه هست
برو بالاشهر تهران رو ببین. زاهدان رو هم ببین. ببین کدوم مذهبی‌تر هستند

منظورت رو از «آدم رو سگ بگیره جو نگیره» متوجه نشدم​
 
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واقعیت جامعه هست
برو بالاشهر تهران رو ببین. زاهدان رو هم ببین. ببین کدوم مذهبی‌تر هستند

منظورت رو از «آدم رو سگ بگیره جو نگیره» متوجه نشدم​
والله زاهدان هم رفته ام. تو خیابون که میخوای قدم بزنی بچه های کوچیک میان دم گوشت حداقلش پاسور پیشنهاد میدن بهت. یه بار داشتم میرفتم سمت چهارراه رسولی یکی کراک و حشیش و تریاک و این چیزا میفروخت. مذهبی هاشون که دو متر ریش داشتن چرک ازش می‌ریخت. بی نظمی و کثافت از سر و روی شهر می‌بارید. البته جسارت نباشه به بچه های زاهدان ولی متاسفانه خاطره خوبی از این شهر ندارم. مذهبی بودن که به ریش و پشم نیست، به ریا و دروغگویی نیست، به جای مهر وسط پیشانی نیست، به چرت وپرت های صدمن یه غاز نیست، به عمل کار برآید داداش به سخن دانی نیست.
 
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واقعیت جامعه هست
برو بالاشهر تهران رو ببین. زاهدان رو هم ببین. ببین کدوم مذهبی‌تر هستند

منظورت رو از «آدم رو سگ بگیره جو نگیره» متوجه نشدم​
دین یک ظاهر داره یک باطن اگر دین به ظاهر باشه که خوارج از همه مردم دیندارتر بودن
And I can't care less. It is clearly not true about today's world. Find a better excuse.
این کاملا در مورددنیای امروز هم صدق میکنه. فقط مشکل اینجاست که ما فراموش کردیم دین چیه و چی میگه.
 
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والله زاهدان هم رفته ام. تو خیابون که میخوای قدم بزنی بچه های کوچیک میان دم گوشت حداقلش پاسور پیشنهاد میدن بهت. یه بار داشتم میرفتم سمت چهارراه رسولی یکی کراک و حشیش و تریاک و این چیزا میفروخت. مذهبی هاشون که دو متر ریش داشتن چرک ازش می‌ریخت. بی نظمی و کثافت از سر و روی شهر می‌بارید. البته جسارت نباشه به بچه های زاهدان ولی متاسفانه خاطره خوبی از این شهر ندارم. مذهبی بودن که به ریش و پشم نیست، به ریا و دروغگویی نیست، به جای مهر وسط پیشانی نیست، به چرت وپرت های صدمن یه غاز نیست، به عمل کار برآید داداش به سخن دانی نیست.
بعد اون وقت مذهبی واقعی رو در فرشته و جردن و ونک و سعادت آباد و شهرک غرب و فرمانیه و زعفرانیه و کامرانیه و اینها یافتی. درسته؟
دین یک ظاهر داره یک باطن اگر دین به ظاهر باشه که خوارج از همه مردم دیندارتر بودن

این کاملا در مورددنیای امروز هم صدق میکنه. فقط مشکل اینجاست که ما فراموش کردیم دین چیه و چی میگه.
یا داری دین‌داری رو با این‌که یک فردی به خدا اعتقاد داشته باشه قاطی می‌کنی یا چیزی که می‌گی رو درک نمی‌کنم واقعاً و اصلاً همخونی با جامعه امروز ایران نداره
لزوماً هر کسی که به روح یا خدا اعتقاد داشته باشه مذهبی نیست
خیلی‌ها هستند که به خدا و آفرینش هوشمند اعتقاد دارن اما تمامی ادیان رو دروغ می‌دونند. به این افراد می‌گی مذهبی؟
بگذریم از این که امروز خیلی از افراد جامعه ایران که دستشون به دهنشون می‌رسه حتی وجود خدا رو هم منکر دارن می‌شن
تازه یه جماعت تازه به دوران رسیده‌ای هست که نه تنها منکر می‌شن بلکه فحش ناموسی هم میدن و ضد دین هستند

به جرات می‌گم هیچ جای دنیا به اندازه قشر پول‌دار کشورهای مثل ایران و عراق و ترکیه و اینها تو خاورمیانه ضد دین ندارن. حتی آمریکا
یعنی حتی اگه با دین هم مخالف باشند فحش نمی‌دن

همون امام علی که می‌گی بعید می‌دونم اگه نظرش رو می‌پرسیدی می‌گفت که مردم نباید بچه دار بشن
حکایت شما شده مثل داستان عمر و عاص که قرآن رو سر نیزه کرد
داری از گفته امام علی بهره‌بردای سیاسی به نفع دیدگاه خودت می‌کنی
در حالیکه امام علی قطعاً دیدگاهش در مورد فرزندآوری ۱۸۰ درجه خلاف دیدگاه شما بوده​
 
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