Iranian Chill Thread

[Hack-Hook]

Yeah you went from killing in the name of power and greed. To killing in the name of God and killing someone because they believed in a different God or even no God.

Great job. Amazing improvement.

in what name killing in those area I mentioned happen.
God name was a tool to rationalize killing , if it was not God then Gods, Money, Land ,Food ,.......
after all killing is killing what difference it make you do it in what name?
Jonatan Swift put it correctly when he wrote the origin of enmity and war between Lilliput and Blefuscu was their disagreement on breaking egg from which side

 

[sha ah]

I can't believe it. It fell even more now to a new low.

 

[SalarHaqq]

All without Islam or Christianity or Judaism. Organized monotheistic Religion brought the world nothing but war and chaos.

Organized monotheistic religion like Zoroastrianism as well (one of the most organized of them all).

The most lethal and destructive wars in history were neither conducted in the name of religion nor by religious parties.

Irreligiosity, so-called "adogmatic" religion of freemasonry, atheism and secularism have brought misery, wickedness and brutality in hitherto unseen proportions.

And this is what Persians were making 3300 years ago (13 century BCE).

Not Persians, Elamites. Who did not speak an Indo-European / Aryan language but were native to the southwestern Iranian plateau nonetheless.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Can Iran's geography even support 100+ million pop. I am doubtful, and Iran will probably stagnate population wise and probably decline a bit in the decades to come. Which is nothing out of the ordinary because alot of countries are going down this road as you mentioned.

It may be nothing out of the ordinary when you experience certain developments typical of the western-type model of modernity, but it comes with serious consequences, namely that in order to continue to sustain your economy, you will then need to fix the issue with mass immigration. There's no other way around it once you allow population growth to slow down and even to reverse, hence why every western regime has been deliberately allowing massive influx of immigrants from culturally alien lands.

And that in turn means acute, irreversible loss of national identity and specificity, in fact uprooting of nationhood - both for the poor immigrants (whose countries of origin usually got destroyed or exploited by the same imperialist regimes), and for host societies.

Which is all in line with the grand scheme of the globalist oligarchy for a unified one-world regime under the thumb of these same stateless, oppressive and bloodthirsty elites. And also why liberal Iranian politicians, agents of the globalist mafia, will jump up and down at the mere mention of any measure meant to stimulate birth rates.

Iran's geography can accommodate several times its current population.

In short, Iran has but one of the following options at its disposal:

1) Reversing the nefarious demographic trend ASAP through adequate, sustained state policy including all sorts of incentives for parents with numerous children.

2) Collective suicide.

3) Compensating the demographic deficit with mass-immigration including from far away places, and thus killing off Iranian national identity and nationhood.

Honestly, if you care about Iran's survival as a sovereign, independent nation managing to keep its historical and civilizational roots intact, then the looming demographic catastrophy ought to worry you much more than Iran's decision to forego nuclear weapons, which for the time being don't really represent an urgent and existential requirement.

 

[SalarHaqq]

US begins maximum pressure strategy to get Iran to surrender Nuclear program.

If the talks fail, which they probably will, their is at this point no logical reason short of a potential attack by the United States that would warrant Iran not to actually construct nuclear warheads.

The country will still be under max pressure sanctions anyways, so might as well. In either result, either building or not building, you are under max sanctions regardless.

Not building one really is probably decided by a few cowards at the top that are more interested in preserving their wealth and power, then to risk the status quo by building one. In my opinion the IRGC is all for building warheads as I think Mohsen Rezaei stated, but some of the civilian leadership is not.

No offense, but this statement is of a self-contradicting nature.

Correct me if I'm wrong but on the one hand, you're saying the acquisition of nuclear weapons would not result in additional pressure on Iran. On the other, you're suggesting that doing so would jeopardize the "wealth and power" of "a few cowards at the top"... which begs the question how exactly such a thing is supposed to happen precisely absent greater pressure from hostile external powers resulting in a toppling of the Islamic Republic!

Also, if nuclear weapons won't make the leadership and the state more secure, as you seem to suggest, then what's the point in possessing them?

Last but not least, I'd suggest to constantly bear in mind the fact that the survival of Iran and the survival of the Islamic Republic are inextricably tied to and dependent upon each other. If the IR falls, Iran will be gone into the trash can of history for good. Any semblance of a loss of control by the Iranian central state this time around will be mercilessly, brutally, methodically and cold-heartedly exploited to the hilt by Iran's powerful existential enemies. Endless civil strife and dismantling of the country into ethno-linguistic entities will be guaranteed to follow in any such eventuality.

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I wrote many times regarding this issue in the past but will gladly repeat it again to make our people aware. IRGC top leadership figures such as Sardar Hajizadeh or Rezaei are all for building a vast nuclear weapons arsenal as an aggressive deterrent in preserving Irans territorial integrity. The only figures that create obstacles are the clerics (mullahs). Khamenei is the nr.1 obstacle in the path of building nuclear weapons, his statements are available on this issue (fatwa etc). US and Israel are kind of satisfied with the cucks at the top and the moment they cross this red line they will risk elimination. So the cucks at the top will do anything to preserve their standings and influence without risking the program for political gambling.

To sum it up : IRGC wants nuclear weapons, Mullahs block it (same way how Khomeini blocked chemical weapon production as a deterrent- using religion as an excuse). The only way for Iran to create multiple nuclear warheads with a clear strategy is if the IRGC takes over the power from the incompetent cuckold clerics completely. Considering the vast majority of influential mullahs being over the age of 70 and 80 it is just a matter of time before their generation dies out and some room gets created for the military men.

Sorry to say, but these sorts of assessments are inaccurate for a several reasons.

1) The clergy in Iran is not a monolithic political actor. To begin with, most of the clergy is apolitical. Secondly, those amongst it who do get involved in political affairs pertain to a variety of different currents with a multitude of leanings and viewpoints.

2) Iranian leaders do not risk "elimination" for acquiring nuclear weapons. They have been risking and putting their lives on the line the very moment they chose to confront the US and zionist regimes in 1979. Zio-American imperialists aren't "satisfied" in the least with the leaders of the Islamic Republic, but want them all dead, much more so than Saddam and Gaddafi. Which is precisely what they've been directing all their efforts towards for the past 42 years.

Case in point, may I remind everyone that seyyed Khamenei (hafaza Allah) was already subjected to an assassination attempt once, carried out by the western- and zionist-backed MKO terrorist grouplet. In case someone didn't notice, this is why our Supreme Leader has a prosthetic hand! Not to mention how seyyed Khamenei had no fear of engaging in political activism against the shah regime, which resulted in his eminence spending time in the infamous prison of the SAVAK's Komiteye Moshtarake Zedde Kharabkari, where brutal torture methods taught to SAVAK by the zionist Mossad were the order of the day (including with the Apollo torture device, no matter what someone like Omid Dana will claim in this regard).

So the idea that the Supreme Leader is fearing for his life and not ready to embrace martyrdom in the path of Allah swt, is contradicted by hard facts. Quite the opposite of the secular "nationalist" shah, who at the slightest risk, preferred to escape to the west (as in 1953, and then again in 1979). Credit where it's due.

3) If it was the case that anyone deciding to manufacture nuclear bombs in Iran would get assassinated by the enemy, then the very same would hold true of any IRGC generals taking that step after grabbing power. In which case the country would become ungovernable.

4) There is no evidence that sardar Hajizadeh and Rezai advocate a "vast nuclear weapons arsenal". Any statements made by them, which people interpreted to this effect, were matched by similar if not more explicit ones issued by clerics. The most expressive of which was pronounced by none other than former Minister of Intelligence, hojjat ol-Eslam val Moslemin Mahmoud Alavi not too long ago. So here again, there is no perceptible division line between IRGC and clergy.

But more importantly, on matters of such strategic sensitivity and relevance as this particular one, no official in Iran - neither Hajizadeh, nor Rezai, nor Alavi, will be likely to hint at potential revision of policy unless authorized if not asked to do so by the Supreme Leader in person.

5) The Iranian leadership is probably the single most competent in the world. No other group could have directed Iran to stand up to the zio-American empire while not only surviving for this long, but making gain after gain in the geostrategic realm and strengthening the country on practically every level.

6) The notion that there's a serious gap between the Leadership and the IRGC, isn't factual. The IRGC are absolutely beholden and loyal to the Leadership. What is more, the institutional cooperation between the two has been as frictionless, exemplary and constructive as it can possibly get. It was in fact the Supreme Leader's visionary, clear-sighted, genius level approach to military affairs which made the IRGC into the powerful corps it is today, and enabled it to shape its efficient defence doctrine. In fact, the IRGC will be rushing in to volunteer against anyone who even thinks of challenging the authority of Vali-ye Faqih.

Attempts to suggest there is a rift between "clergy" and "military", and that the latter may one day conduct some "nationalist'-inspired "coup" against the former, as well as against the theocratic foundation of the system, has been a pipedream spread for quite some time by the CIA, by the way. Indeed the enemy has actively been attempting to find some generals to recruit in hopes of re-enacting a Reza Khan type of scenario, with a supposedly nationalistic military strongman overthrowing the current order while in fact being completely subservient to western (and now zionist) imperialist interests. But of course, to no avail.

7) Up to this day, nuclear weapons wouldn't have changed the equation in a significant manner for Iran. Iran is guaranteeing her security because the US is largely controlled by zionists and because Iran, thanks to her asymmetric conventional defence doctrine and arsenals, has established effective deterrence against the zionist apartheid entity.

Those people that block our quest for building nuclear weapons should be taken out to the streets and shot for treason. The amount of damage and martyrs we gave for this program without a clear objective should already be a red flag.

Seriously, treason? If the Leadership of the Islamic Republic were "traitors", they'd proceed like the overthrown, secularist and supposedly nationalistic monarchy: they'd bow down to the western imperial powers and to their underlying globalist-masonic oligarchy, instead of resisting them and undermining each and every one of their policies in the region.

Good luck trying to touch the Islamic Iranian leadership, which is in fact what Iran's existential foes are aiming for and working towards around the clock. But that's only going to be possible over the dead bodies of at least 10 million Basijis, Sepahis and other security forces and volunteers (including tens of thousands from allied nations). Those same Sepahis indeed.

There's an obvious twin objective to Iran's nuclear program:

- Endowing Iran with full spectrum civilian application of nuclear power and technology in an ultra-sanctioned environment, ie with a requirement for maximum self-sufficiency in the nuclear fuel cycle etc.

- Providing Iran with a potential and credible nuclear break out capability in case her basic security could no longer be ensured otherwise.

The material and human price of this endeavour has fallen well within cost-effective boundaries.

 

[aryobarzan]

New Iranians...Welcome them..., educate them..and they will be loyal citizens never forgetting what Iran has given them. Take a moment and look into their faces. This could happen to any one any where.

Afghan refugees

 

[Hack-Hook]

It may be nothing out of the ordinary when you experience certain developments typical of the western-type model of modernity, but it comes with serious consequences, namely that in order to continue to sustain your economy, you will then need to fix the issue with mass immigration. There's no other way around it once you allow population growth to slow down and even to reverse, hence why every western regime has been deliberately welcoming massive streams of immigrants from culturally alien lands.

And that in turn means acute, irreversible loss of national identity and specificity, in fact uprooting of nationhood - both for the immigrants, and for host societies.

Which is all in line with the grand scheme of the globalist oligarchy for a unified one-world regime under the thumb of these same stateless, oppressive and bloodthirsty elites. And also why liberal Iranian politicians, agents of the globalist mafia, will jump up and down at the mere mention of any measure meant to stimulate birth rates.

Iran's geography can accommodate several times its current population.

In short, Iran has but one of the following options at its disposal:

1) Reversing the nefarious demographic trend ASAP through adequate, sustained state policy including all sorts of incentives for parents with numerous children.

2) Collective suicide.

3) Compensating the demographic deficit with mass-immigration including from far away places, and thus killing off Iranian national identity and nationhood.

Honestly, if you care about Iran's survival as a sovereign, independent nation that keeps its historical and civilizational roots intact, then the looming demographic catastrophy ought to worry you more than Iran's decision to forego nuclear weapons, which for the time being. don't really constitute an urgent and existential requirement.

first we must be able to reach our internal food consumption, we must solve our water shortage, solve the finding job problem, we must act as our constitution say and provide free education till university, we must solve the marriage problem . then we must talk about increasing population.
let not talk about housing problem and such.

 

[SalarHaqq]

first we must be able to reach our internal food consumption, we must solve our water shortage, solve the finding job problem, we must act as our constitution say and provide free education till university, we must solve the marriage problem . then we must talk about increasing population.
let not talk about housing problem and such.

No, it's the exact opposite in terms of urgency and priority. First Iran must solve the demographic challenge, everything else comes afterwards. No foul excuses. Especially economic issues: an ageing population can tackle none of these economic issues. None.

Otherwise Iran will cease to exist, just like the old nations of Europe lost their identities, their roots, died and were buried because of that, or more precisely, they were readied for dissolution into the freemason- / zionist-planned, cosmopolitan one world regime. But then, we know that liberals in Iran constitute a fifth column for the globalist elites, hence their efforts to keep in place the alarming, below replacement level fertility rate. They want Iran to cease to exist as a sovereign, distinct, autonomous civilization.

Insufficient housing, water, etc will create hardships - not trigger the death of the nation. Continued demographic slump however will kill Iran. It will kill Iran in a matter of one to two generations from now. Also, all these other issues mentioned can be tackled at any point in time, none of them is irreversible. Demographic collapse however is.

 

[Hack-Hook]

No, it's the exactly the opposite in terms of urgency and priority. First Iran must solve the demographic challenge, everything else comes afterwards. No foul excuses. Especially economic issues: an ageing population can tackle none of these economic issues. None.

Otherwise Iran will cease to exist, just like the old nations of Europe lost their identities, their roots, died and were buried because of that, or more precisely, they were readied for dissolution into the freemason- / zionist-planned, cosmopolitan one world regime. But then, we know that liberals in Iran constitute a fifth column for the globalist elites, hence their attempts to keep the birth rate low. They want Iran to cease to exist as a sovereign, distinct, autonomous civilization.

Insufficient housing, water, etc will create hardships only - not trigger the death of the nation. Continued demographic slump however will kill Iran. It will kill Iran in a matter of one to two generations from now. Also, all these other issues mentioned can be tackled at any point in time, none of them is irreversible. Demographic collapse however is.

well , your choice , you can have educated and capable population or population like some moron in parliament who are planning to ban around 40000 yearly medical abortion to increase the population
by the way those abortion are done on cases like chromosomal disorders or severe disease like thalassemia major.


and sadly your obsession with freemason- / zionist everything won't let you see what's killing Iran . its degeneration of our culture its poverty , its widening of the gap between poor and rich, its hopelessness , its the fact that top universities in Iran have become a platform to go overboard, its corruption in all aspects of society. its the fact you'll see such amount of les and deceit in society that it has become a norm.

your suggestion is like many things else we did, let do something we later prepare the prerequisites . go look back when we did the preparation later. if you want 40m poor , jobless , illiterate that their family had no time to rise them and their raised by the principle that God will raise them. then go and add 40 million more to the society.
only beware you can squeeze a spring only to an extent , after that it sprang
by your suggestion this will be iranian children going 30 years forward not Afghan refugee

 

[SalarHaqq]

well , your choice , you can have educated and capable population or population like some moron in parliament who are planning to ban around 40000 yearly medical abortion to increase the population

No, the choice is between life and death of the nation, simple as that. "Educated and capable" has no worth if it is accompanied by uprooting of national identity, de facto loss of sovereignty and soon to come dissolution into a supranational entity as is the case in Europe. You can have that in the west, we will not allow it in Iran.

by the way those abortion are done on cases like chromosomal disorders or severe disease like thalassemia major.

That's a strawman, beside the point.

and sadly your obsession with freemason- / zionist everything won't let you see what's killing Iran . its degeneration of our culture its poverty , its widening of the gap between poor and rich, its hopelessness , its the fact that top universities in Iran have become a platform to go overboard, its corruption in all aspects of society. its the fact you'll see such amount of les and deceit in society that it has become a norm.

Sadly, your apparent indifference to the power and influence of zionism, masonry and the globalist elites is preventing you from correctly identifying the root causes of the very issues you listed above. As well as the fact that these are rooted in the policies of liberal administrations (both moderates and reformists).

But, this is a massive strawman yet again, which I'm not going to get embroiled in. Let's not deflect from the problem at hand.

So once again, here's the issue: if the demographic decline goes on, Iran's economy will experience fundamental, structural breakdown. Thence, social-economic challenges - whether housing, poverty, wealth distribution and what not, will not be able to be addressed in any shape or form.

By then, only solution will remain: mass immigration, with all its adverse effects on national cohesion and identity.

your suggestion is like many things else we did, let do something we later prepare the prerequisites . go look back when we did the preparation later. if you want 40m poor , jobless , illiterate that their family had no time to rise them and their raised by the principle that God will raise them. then go and add 40 million more to the society.

You don't seem to come to terms with the fact that demographic slump is irreversible. No nation affected has managed to get out of it. South Korea spent billions to this effect, but failed miserably. While nations of Europe didn't even try: they went for mass immigration right away.

by your suggestion this will be iranian children going 30 years forward not Afghan refugee

By your suggestion, there will no longer be such as thing as an Iranian child in the proper sense of the term 30 years from now. Cosmopolitan, disoriented, zombies conceiving of themselves and anyone else as "world citizens", deprived of an actual identity and civilizational rooting, yes. But not Iranians in the effective sense.

 

[Stryker1982]

It may be nothing out of the ordinary when you experience certain developments typical of the western-type model of modernity, but it comes with serious consequences, namely that in order to continue to sustain your economy, you will then need to fix the issue with mass immigration. There's no other way around it once you allow population growth to slow down and even to reverse, hence why every western regime has been deliberately welcoming massive streams of immigrants from culturally alien lands.

And that in turn means acute, irreversible loss of national identity and specificity, in fact uprooting of nationhood - both for the immigrants, and for host societies.

Which is all in line with the grand scheme of the globalist oligarchy for a unified one-world regime under the thumb of these same stateless, oppressive and bloodthirsty elites. And also why liberal Iranian politicians, agents of the globalist mafia, will jump up and down at the mere mention of any measure meant to stimulate birth rates.

Iran's geography can accommodate several times its current population.

In short, Iran has but one of the following options at its disposal:

1) Reversing the nefarious demographic trend ASAP through adequate, sustained state policy including all sorts of incentives for parents with numerous children.

2) Collective suicide.

3) Compensating the demographic deficit with mass-immigration including from far away places, and thus killing off Iranian national identity and nationhood.

Honestly, if you care about Iran's survival as a sovereign, independent nation managing to keep its historical and civilizational roots intact, then the looming demographic catastrophy ought to worry you much more than Iran's decision to forego nuclear weapons, which for the time being don't really represent an urgent and existential requirement.

Agree 100% on everything.

 

[Stryker1982]

No offense, but this statement is of a self-contradicting nature.

Correct me if I'm wrong but on the one hand, you're saying the acquisition of nuclear weapons would not result in additional pressure on Iran. On the other, you're suggesting that doing so would jeopardize the "wealth and power" of "a few cowards at the top"... which begs the question how exactly such a thing is supposed to happen precisely absent greater pressure from hostile external powers resulting in a toppling of the Islamic Republic!

Also, if nuclear weapons won't make the leadership and the state more secure, as you seem to suggest, then what's the point in possessing them?

Last but not least, I'd suggest to constantly bear in mind the fact that the survival of Iran and the survival of the Islamic Republic are inextricably tied to and dependent upon each other. If the IR falls, Iran will be gone into the trash can of history for good. Any semblance of a loss of control by the Iranian central state this time around will be mercilessly, brutally, methodically and cold-heartedly exploited to the hilt by Iran's powerful existential enemies. Endless civil strife and dismantling of the country into ethno-linguistic entities will be guaranteed to follow in any such eventuality.

What I said was under the assumption they have already implemented a max pressure campaign on Iran. Therefore acquiring nuclear warheads would not yield punishing results because the enemy has already exhausted a large number of their cards. At least this is a presumption, I may be wrong and they have other cards to play that are making the leadership cautious. I think it's fair to say their are many in the political apparatus that are NOT in favor of nuclear weaponization and are not interested in going down this road.

What I meant to say about those who enjoy the status quo of wealth and power, they might feel threated by nuclear weaponization because they are afraid of an America-led attack on Iran that would jeopardize their wealth. As we know, 1 warhead is not enough to deter a desperate attack. Leadership & state will remain secure with a few dozen in storage, but the period from 1 to 5 nuclear weapons is most volatile as a coalition may be formed against Iran.

My point really just boils down to one thing, if we are already being sanctioned heavily, and with no deal we will continue to be sanctioned heavily, and even if their is a deal, it can be overturned easily by the next US president AFTER we dismantled a part of the program, it begs the question. Why not build one? The only reason is fear from those who have much to lose. I have no doubt people like Hajizadeh and Salami would love to have an arsenal, but It's clear their are some big people that oppose.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Why not build one? The only reason is fear from those who have much to lose. I have no doubt people like Hajizadeh and Salami would love to have an arsenal, but It's clear their are some big people that oppose.

I understand your argument, but the quoted part is where I fail to follow. Aren't nuclear weapons supposed to cement, rather than to undermine the standing of the political leadership which chooses to acquire them? If they result in jeopardizing the position of the leadership, what's the point in these weapons to begin with? If Iran possessed nuclear weapons, the keys to these would not be in the hands of any generals, but in those of the commander-in-chief ie the Supreme Leader anyway.

Now the same Supreme Leader in younger years engaged in political activism against the shah regime, not fearing the Mossad-trained SAVAK and their torturers at Komiteye Moshtarak. The same Supreme Leader, when he used to be the President of the Islamic Republic, then lost a hand in a terrorist bombing carried out by the western- and zionist-backed MKO grouplet, bombing which in fact was a direct attempt on his life. He then visited the frontlines several times during the war with Saddam. He is a mojahed, and has been putting his life on the line for 42 years. Therefore fear of being martyred in the path of God, let alone losing his position, is not something one will find in him.

 

[sha ah]

World War 1 and 2 were not fought over religion but rather ideology and nationalism. Right now, the most dangerous conflicts in the world, Russia vs NATO, China vs USA, are not about religion. Look at Trump or Stalin. Human beings, on average need to worship something or someone. That's why so many autocrats build a cult of personality.

All without Islam or Christianity or Judaism. Organized monotheistic Religion brought the world nothing but war and chaos.

 

[sha ah]

You're very idealistic but honestly 99% of them don't want to stay in Iran. They want to go to Turkey then Europe. Iran already has too many Afghan refugees. Ordinary people in Iran are already struggling as it is. Iran cannot afford to take in anymore refugees at the moment. Currently Iran is deporting something like almost 1000 a day, but they keep coming back. I'm not sure what the solution is. Afghanistan is finished.

New Iranians...Welcome them..., educate them..and they will be loyal citizens never forgetting what Iran has given them. Take a moment and look into their faces. This could happen to any one any where.

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