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Here's another thing to consider... Stated it before, but here it is again: privatizing and lifting protective measures will not result in proper competition. Especially in sectors such as the automobile industry (which unfortunately is privatized in Iran although still protected by tariffs). The notion that competition will reign supreme once import tariffs are lowered and that a magical "invisible hand" will fix everything is simply illusory.

Because in virtually all sectors, theoretical conditions for pure and perfect competition are simply not met. In the sort of branches under discussion, what we have instead are markets dominated by oligopolies. That is, a limited number of producers, in fact giant multinational corporations resulting from cumulative mergers and acquisitions.

When producers are many, it is not practical nor realistically feasible for them to sit together and reach a common agreement on prices and distribution of market shares. Hence, they will compete with each other. But when they are few, they will tacitly or concretely come to an understanding, blunting competition and its supposed benefits for the consumer.

Therefore, should Iran proceed with liberal economic policies such as generalized privatization and uncontrolled opening of domestic markets to foreign multinationals, collapse of national production and de-industrialization will be the consequence. Not because Iranian made products are worse quality-wise. But because imports will tend to become more lucrative. The quality argument is invoked by globalists to promote their agenda and have Iran regress into becoming once again a mono-sectorial crude oil exporter, like during the shah era or like Saudi Arabia still is today. These powerful entities do not have the material comfort of Iranian consumers in mind.

Moreover, as long as sanctions are in place as a result of oppressive zio-American hegemony, Iran will not have geographically unrestricted access to export markets anyway. This by itself pretty much puts and end to the discussion.

In conclusion, there's no alternative to a self-sufficient, as autarkic as possible resistance economy. The focus must be on the inside, not on trans-continental trade and FDI-driven development.
 
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For those that think Russia is any sort of an “ally” to Iran.

Look at the tech they have provided SK to allow them to join the leading missile club. Tech that Iran has to learn the hard way and thru long and hard effort, yet Russia “gives” to a major USA ally (SK) with little effort.

Russian foreign policy has always been one of back stabbing aligned countries (Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, NK) while embracing US allies (Israel, Turkey,SK, Egypt, Saudi Arabia)
 

For those that think Russia is any sort of an “ally” to Iran.

Look at the tech they have provided SK to allow them to join the leading missile club. Tech that Iran has to learn the hard way and thru long and hard effort, yet Russia “gives” to a major USA ally (SK) with little effort.

Russian foreign policy has always been one of back stabbing aligned countries (Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, NK) while embracing US allies (Israel, Turkey,SK, Egypt, Saudi Arabia)

My brother TheImmortal,

Don't get mad at the Russians. They are nobody's "ally". They see everybody as "Frienemies", as a diplomat at a party in N Virgina told me once. "Frienemies" means that the Russians see everyone as "not quite friends and not quite enemies". The Russians (somewhat understandably) get this from WW2 when they signed a non-aggression agreement with the Germans, then when the Germans tore apart the French and General Montgomery's British Army, suddenly turned on the Russians. So, one CAN understand why Russians are "Frienemies" towards everyone.

Iran, like almost any team who has ever won the world cup or the super bowl, NEEDS TO PLAY HER OWN GAME BASED ON HER OWN STRENGTHS. There is no need for a devoted "ally" as countries don't have friends/enemies, (it has been said before), they have INTERESTS.

Iran FIRST AND FOREMOST needs to discover 1) UNITY, and 2) CLARITY OF PURPOSE.

Compared to almost any other country in the world (except a few neighbors), Iran's large population (thank god for it large population from a strategic military point of view), is somewhat divided. Our culture needs to stop this suicidal divisiveness and introduce more of an INCLUSIVE society and culture.

Can you imagine if Iran accepts the personal choices of many of its people, and just utilize them for their skills and bring them together and not push them apart? I can never explain to you how many Iranians I have met in my lifetime that are just the most amazingly capable individuals I have met, just in my career alone. It would shock you how quickly with these individuals Iran can build turbine blades thermal barrier coatings technology on single crystal CMSX-4 alloy. Just the ex. RR Iranians, many of them in Iran today, can do that EASY, with their eyes closed - no need for technology transfer, even mass-production can be achieved.

Imagine how all the wonderful members here who love Iran so much, yourself, Bahram, SalarHaqq, Aryobarazan, PeeD, Sineva, Flotila, and everybody else I can't remember their member name right now, could be brought together, to work together, and how much PASSION there is in each of them, and how Iran could truly utilize the PASSION of its people without interfering in their personal lives or their religious choices?

Every time I am at a funeral in LA for some ex Iranian IIAF, listening to old guys talking about "Golden Crown" team, when sooner or later, one of them pulls out all his OLD photos to show me, and what he did, what his brother did, what his friends did, ... I listen with joy and see the passion in him, the same as I feel the passion in YOU when you talk about the Russians as an ally, same passion as the quiet Thinker/Analyst SalarHaqq, same as the Intuitive/Self-aware PeeD, same passion as the Persuasive Aryobarzan, same passion as Wholehearted "All-in" Bahram, and other wonderful Iranians here.

Iranians have a very high proportion of "old-soul" people. Hard to describe this in a few sentences.

Iran has a lot.

I understand WHY smart, sharp, intuitive A.S.S. (Anglo Saxon Sadists) find that a threat, and obviously they are right to feel that as a threat to what they want: DOMINATION OF OTHER NATIONS, which is what they have accomplished between them for 500+ years since slave trade out of Africa.

We should focus on our own game, to bring UNITY to our culture, to bestow CLARITY OF PURPOSE in our young people so they understand, we are all just TEMPORARY GUARDIANS of our amazing nation.

Look around, FAIRLY without BIAS - how many countries on earth can claim to things that Iran can?

Our nation saved people from annihilation,
Our nation fought slavery and freed slaves,
Our nation was the largest superpower ever (almost half the world at the time, Persian empire: known as the Achaemenian Empire, the kingdom created under Cyrus the Great stretched from Iran into Central Asia and most of Egypt),
Our nation invented postal service, government bureaucracy, and (satrap) regional gov management,
Our nation fought and stopped the ROMAN EMPIRE from expanding when Crassus fought Sorren
Every major military school (Sandhurst UK, Cranwell UK, Westpoint U.S., Saint Cyr, FR, etc.) starts their curriculum year teaching Sorren's squadron leadership, training, motivation, and camaraderie,
Our nation bestowed rank for the first woman General (Artemisia, Naval Admiral)
Our nation has been the most continuous nation in history (not Greeks or Romans, China, India, Egypt or anyone else) - oldest continuous nation in the world: sovereignty acquired 3,200 BC, without interruption (irrespective of temporary occupation), unlike China, India, Greece, Egypt, etc.
Our nation has repeatedly fought on behalf of those that could not fight for themselves
Our nation has produced some of the most amazing scientists, poets, engineers, mathematicians, etc.,
Our nation has had technology (vertical wind turbines, water irrigation, construction, refrigeration, etc. ) still envied and talked about after a 1,000 years later,

So, don't get upset with the Russians.

After all, they did not deliver Iran the Mig31s that Iran paid for, so under Moggadam Iran built the long range missiles, and delayed delivering S300, so under Hajizadeh Iran built Bavar 373.

They can DELAY Iran but cannot STOP Iran.

Just look at EVERYTHING these SUPERPOWERS have done to keep Iran's nuclear program DOWN ... now they are begging like a dog, for Iran to return to the negotiating table.

Iran has a lot of COURAGE and PATIENCE and will eventually get what it is due - unlike these capitalists (US/UK/France/Dutch/Canada/Australia etc.) needing economic prosperity to exist, they sell their mothers on a corner street of red light district to sodomites for a fist full of Dollars from Zionist lobbyist and billionaires like Paul Singer, and Bernard Marcus.

As PEOPLE we have always been against slavery, and even if we are forced to accept it under the blade, we still want and find a way, OUT.

I have never met an Iranian who was TOTALLY SATISFIED WITH HIS LIFE or with everything they have, even if they are millionaires and have half a dozen homes and yachts and fancy cars. What we all want as people of Iran is ... OUR INDEPENDENCE AND GLORY.

Iranian people just need a few WINS.

Like shooting down MQ4, or the attack on oil fields in SA.

So, be patient my brother. Good things are coming.
 
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Here's another thing to consider... Stated it before, but here it is again: privatizing and lifting protective measures will not result in proper competition. Especially in sectors such as the automobile industry (which unfortunately is privatized in Iran although still protected by tariffs). The notion that competition will reign supreme once import tariffs are lowered and that a magical "invisible hand" will fix everything is simply illusory.

Because in virtually all sectors, theoretical conditions for pure and perfect competition are simply not met. In the sort of branches under discussion, what we have instead are markets dominated by oligopolies. That is, a limited number of producers, in fact giant multinational corporations resulting from cumulative mergers and acquisitions.

When producers are many, it is not practical nor realistically feasible for them to sit together and reach a common agreement on prices and distribution of market shares. Hence, they will compete with each other. But when they are few, they will tacitly or concretely come to an understanding, blunting competition and its supposed benefits for the consumer.

Therefore, should Iran proceed with liberal economic policies such as generalized privatization and uncontrolled opening of domestic markets to foreign multinationals, collapse of national production and de-industrialization will be the consequence. Not because Iranian made products are worse quality-wise. But because imports will tend to become more lucrative. The quality argument is invoked by globalists to promote their agenda and have Iran regress into becoming once again a mono-sectorial crude oil exporter, like during the shah era or like Saudi Arabia still is today. These powerful entities do not have the material comfort of Iranian consumers in mind.

Moreover, as long as sanctions are in place as a result of oppressive zio-American hegemony, Iran will not have geographically unrestricted access to export markets anyway. This by itself pretty much puts and end to the discussion.

In conclusion, there's no alternative to a self-sufficient, as autarkic as possible resistance economy. The focus must be on the inside, not on trans-continental trade and FDI-driven development.

Amazing. But then again, I expect nothing less from you, borther.

Iranian people can ONLY count on themselves. If they count on this b.s. that calls itself international order, or NPT, or IAEA, or global trade, global banking and transaction processing, etc. etc. - we will ONLY be disappointed or even worse, humiliated.
 

For those that think Russia is any sort of an “ally” to Iran.

Look at the tech they have provided SK to allow them to join the leading missile club. Tech that Iran has to learn the hard way and thru long and hard effort, yet Russia “gives” to a major USA ally (SK) with little effort.

Russian foreign policy has always been one of back stabbing aligned countries (Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, NK) while embracing US allies (Israel, Turkey,SK, Egypt, Saudi Arabia)

Not the first time for Russia. Russia gave them the engine for SLV and that did not make them SLV maker.
Also you have to align this with the Ausie SSN. All against China.

proliferation against proliferation.
If China builds up more nuke arsenal and silos and if no help from China against NK, west will respond with proliferation.
That is their logic.
 
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Not the first time for Russia. Russia gave them the engine for SLV and that did not make them SLV maker.
Also you have to align this with the Ausie SSN. All against China.

proliferation against proliferation. If China build up more nuke arsenal and silo and if no help from China against NK, west will respond with proliferation.

Most (if not all) of the tech transfer to SK has been from Russia and China...NOT the US due to strict controls on the export of such technology. US is very relctuant to hand over such tech to an even a close ally especially if that ally is not WHITE....(ie. Europeans)
 
Most (if not all) of the tech transfer to SK has been from Russia and China...NOT the US due to strict controls on the export of such technology. US is very relctuant to hand over such tech to an even a close ally especially if that ally is not WHITE....(ie. Europeans)

Counter examples are Aussie SSN. Also French help to Israel for proliferation.
Also US help to UK for early nukes.
Also US material support of Israel.
Also Aussie Uranium support of US.
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Anyway, from our friend Neutrino:


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Counter examples are Aussie SSN. Also French help to Israel for proliferation.
Also US help to UK for early nukes.
Also US material support of Israel.
Also Aussie Uranium support of US.
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Those are all examples of WHITE MAN helping fellow WHITE MAN. Which if you read what I said, is the exception to the rule. US-Israel-FR-UK-AUSSIE tech transfers are much more likely to occur than the WHITE MAN transferring tech to a brown or yellow man.
 
Those are all examples of WHITE MAN helping fellow WHITE MAN. Which if you read what I said, is the exception to the rule. US-Israel-FR-UK-AUSSIE tech transfers are much more likely to occur than the WHITE MAN transferring tech to a brown or yellow man.

You know, the definition of white is also fast changing.
Believe it or not, the Irish were not called white early on and definitely not Jews.
 
You know, the definition of white is also fast changing.
Believe it or not, the Irish were not called white early on and definitely not Jews.

Now you are arguing semantics. You know the point I was trying to make. And Jews have been treated extremely well since the founding of Israel as their citizens or people are embedded deeply in major Western countries power structure.

White man have been tech transferring to each other since the Soviet Union rise and fall (one could argue since WWI). Russia has been tech transferring to white man allies while neglecting countries with “shared interest” like Iran, Iraq (under saddam), Syria, Libya, NK.

The US protects its major allies and promotes tech transfers to the “white ones”. Meanwhile Russia and China have yet to build a similar alliance.

If they ever want to effectively challenge a US led world order they need to embrace countries like Iran and NK just as US embraces France and England and Australia.

I doubt Russia will ever get to that point, their philosophy since Soviet Union has ensured it is alone and lost almost all of its former client states (Libya, Iraq, etc) while being enricled by NATO and losing former satellite states of the Soviet Union. This lone wolf policy by Russia has been nothing short of a disaster for its long term prospects.

That leaves China and all indications are China thinks it can challenge the US and it’s led world order all by itself by economically enslaving poor countries as part of its Silk Road project. Unfortunately, while China has done many things right to reach the point it is today. I feel this is a critical flaw (call it arrogance) on its part if it thinks it can challenge the US and it’s allies all by itself. Imperial Japan tried this and failed miserably.

While China today is magnitudes more powerful than Imperial Japan was. So too is the US + NATO + Asia alliance. If China and Russia do not unite to create a true axis and bring into their orbit countries who share the same interest in creating a bi-polar world order or even better a Sino led world order....then US will continue to dominate even if it loses #1 superpower status in the future.
 
You know, the definition of white is also fast changing.
Believe it or not, the Irish were not called white early on and definitely not Jews.
AshkeNAZI Jews are some of the most hardcore "white" supremacist out there. They have the luxury of being "White" or "Jewish" when it suites them. You would never know there are Jewish "white" Supremist watching Western media though because they have done a great job portraying "White" Supremacists as "Christians" who persecute Jews in their media to feed their eternal "Victim" narrative.
 
Now you are arguing semantics. You know the point I was trying to make. And Jews have been treated extremely well since the founding of Israel as their citizens or people are embedded deeply in major Western countries power structure.

White man have been tech transferring to each other since the Soviet Union rise and fall (one could argue since WWI). Russia has been tech transferring to white man allies while neglecting countries with “shared interest” like Iran, Iraq (under saddam), Syria, Libya, NK.

The US protects its major allies and promotes tech transfers to the “white ones”. Meanwhile Russia and China have yet to build a similar alliance.

If they ever want to effectively challenge a US led world order they need to embrace countries like Iran and NK just as US embraces France and England and Australia.

I doubt Russia will ever get to that point, their philosophy since Soviet Union has ensured it is alone and lost almost all of its former client states (Libya, Iraq, etc) while being enricled by NATO and losing former satellite states of the Soviet Union. This lone wolf policy by Russia has been nothing short of a disaster for its long term prospects.

That leaves China and all indications are China thinks it can challenge the US and it’s led world order all by itself by economically enslaving poor countries as part of its Silk Road project. Unfortunately, while China has done many things right to reach the point it is today. I feel this is a critical flaw (call it arrogance) on its part if it thinks it can challenge the US and it’s allies all by itself. Imperial Japan tried this and failed miserably.

While China today is magnitudes more powerful than Imperial Japan was. So too is the US + NATO + Asia alliance. If China and Russia do not unite to create a true axis and bring into their orbit countries who share the same interest in creating a bi-polar world order or even better a Sino led world order....then US will continue to dominate even if it loses #1 superpower status in the future.

I agree with your point but also being WASP matters. White Anglo Saxon Protestant.
Canada, Aussie, UK: same blood

Iran and Russia are not like that. Heck Russia has not even done that for Belarus.

When Britts were making ships and having 10 kids each in their faraway colonies, guess what we were doing?
Sectarian and tribal fights
 
AshkeNAZI Jews are some of the most hardcore "white" supremacist out there. They have the luxury of being "White" or "Jewish" when it suites them. You would never know there are Jewish "white" Supremist watching Western media though because they have done a great job portraying "White" Supremacists as "Christians" who persecute Jews in their media to feed their eternal "Victim" narrative.

There are lots of work to make a United judeochristian entity.

However that Ashkenazi would not find similar beliefs out in the farms in redneck counties.

If you don’t believe in Jesus Christ, son of god, the Lord; it is over.
 
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