Iranian Chill Thread

[xenon54 out]

Avalan ke cardic nist cardiac hast, lol

Dovoman cardiac nist coronery


CCU : coronery care unit

Not only the sentence is wrong but everything in this picture, this shouldnt be the standart in a hospital.

 

[haman10]

Not only the sentence is wrong but everything in this picture, this shouldnt be the standart in a hospital.

Lol its actually a very advanved and refurbished CCU behind these doors

But the hospital is pretty old, it is going to be repaired as soon as the new hospital which is being built starts working

I may take a pic from inside later tomorrow

 

[Daneshmand]

@Daneshmand. Agha een aksam faghat b yaad shoma gereftam emrooz. Lol

Aks male bimarestan ghalb o oroughe kermanshah hast b esme emam ali. Tooye net searchesh kon. Hala ino dashte bash :

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Avalan ke cardic nist cardiac hast, lol

Dovoman cardiac nist coronery


CCU : coronery care unit

No need to write in English. How many of their patients know English? Signs and boards have the purpose of guidance. But then in Iran, writing in English means "quality". Anyways I am past these kind of things (it used to be amusing for me years ago). Thanks for the picture and for keeping me in mind.

On a serious note though, do they have mechanical intervention in this CCU? And what they use for thrombolysis, the streptokinase or recom. tPA?

 

[haman10]

On a serious note though, do they have mechanical intervention in this CCU?

yeppies

And what they use for thrombolysis

Streptokinase unfortunately .

recombinant tPa is a little expensive i assume , but there are some alteplase if i'm not wrong

 

[Daneshmand]

yeppies


Streptokinase unfortunately .

recombinant tPa is a little expensive i assume , but there are some alteplase if i'm not wrong

That is wonderful, they have mechanical intervention. I think Iran should invest to produce its own alteplase/tenecteplase. Would save countless lives.

 

[haman10]

Would save countless lives.

well , streptokinase does the same work , with more side-effects , aren't i right ?

its a non-specific drug .

another downside is that you cannot use S-kinase after some time cause it won't work due to tolerance .

 

[Daneshmand]

well , streptokinase does the same work , with more side-effects , aren't i right ?

its a non-specific drug .

another downside is that you cannot use S-kinase after some time cause it won't work due to tolerance .

Well, theoretically yes. But its efficacy is much lower than rec.tPA. Another downside to it, is its rather random efficacy, in one patient it works excellent in another not at all. But rec.tPA is as effective as mechanical intervention.

Yes, the side effects of streptokinase can be severe. They usually happen because the patient has had a streptococcus infection in recent past, which precipitates an allergic reaction which can easily go to anaphylactic shock. And once used, streptokinase does not "lose" its efficacy, but because an immunity response develops to it, you can not use it as a repeat treatment for sometime. Using it in such a sensitized patient, will melt down to an anaphylaxis. So these scenarios are contra-indications to its use. These problems do not exist with rec.tPA.

 

[haman10]

Well, theoretically yes. But its efficacy is much lower than rec.tPA. Another downside to it, is its rather random efficacy, in one patient it works excellent in another not at all. But rec.tPA is as effective as mechanical intervention.

Yes, the side effects of streptokinase can be severe. They usually happen because the patient has had a streptococcus infection in recent past, which precipitates an allergic reaction which can easily go to anaphylactic shock. And once used, streptokinase does not "lose" its efficacy, but because an immunity response develops to it, you can not use it as a repeat treatment for sometime. Using it in such a sensitized patient, will melt down to an anaphylaxis. So these scenarios are contra-indications to its use. These problems do not exist with rec.tPA.

its also much cheaper and iran produces it locally , so .....

we should eat it it sucks that tPa is a part of that 3% of drugs that iran does not produce .

anyway , most of patients in imam ali hospital which had an MI in the past 40-45 minutes go straight to OP room for aggressive intervention

this does not apply to other hospitals of course .

 

[Daneshmand]

its also much cheaper and iran produces it locally , so .....

we should eat it it sucks that tPa is a part of that 3% of drugs that iran does not produce .

anyway , most of patients in imam ali hospital which had an MI in the past 40-45 minutes go straight to OP room for aggressive intervention

this does not apply to other hospitals of course .

Yes, because streptokinase is much easier to produce. rec.tPA needs those precious cell-lines which necessitates lots of money and expertise to develop and are guarded in high security rooms with bullet proof doors at Western pharmaceutical companies . I do not know the prices right now but till a couple of years ago, tenecteplase for instance was selling at 10 thousand dollars per injection. Anyways, if mechanical intervention is available, it does the job as well as tPA. Basically rect.PA is good for smaller hospitals, which do not have mechanical intervention or for ambulance crews to administer it in the field (time is of essence to rescue as much of cardiac tissue as possible).

We have Désiré Collen, Diane Pennica and California's Genentech to thank for rec.tPA.

 

[haman10]

Yes, because streptokinase is much easier to produce. rec.tPA needs those precious cell-lines which necessitates lots of money and expertise to develop and are guarded in high security rooms with bullet proof doors at Western pharmaceutical companies . I do not know the prices right now but till a couple of years ago, tenecteplase for instance was selling at 10 thousand dollars per injection. Anyways, if mechanical intervention is available, it does the job as well as tPA. Basically rect.PA is good for smaller hospitals, which do not have mechanical intervention or for ambulance crews to administer it in the field (time is of essence to rescue as much of cardiac tissue as possible).

We have Désiré Collen, Diane Pennica and California's Genentech to thank for rec.tPA.

Tnx for the info , doc .

yeah , but mechanical intervention is only used for an small percentage of patients who make it to the imam-ali hospital .

that really sucks .

 

[Daneshmand]

Tnx for the info , doc .

yeah , but mechanical intervention is only used for an small percentage of patients who make it to the imam-ali hospital .

that really sucks .

You are welcome.

That is indeed sad.

 

[KingMamba]

You are welcome. I doubt if Sunni Ulema have reached such a conclusion. Based on my knowledge, Sunni Ulema are pretty much against evolution in all its forms, specially the Salafi/Wahabi/Deobandi ones . But even other Sunnis have hostile views of it. (you are welcome to refute this, though)

One reason might be the literal translations of religious texts but you are also right that alot has been borrowed from Christian creationists eg. take the case of Sunni Adnan Otkar who is heavily attached to and in contact with Christian creationists (probably even funded by Western creationists). Adnan Otkar had even tried to build a lobby for creationists in Iran by cajoling Iranian education ministry, and attempting to distribute creationist books among Iranian school children as he does in Turkey and other Islamic countries. He was swiftly deported from Iran and made persona non grata. Basically Iranian government does not want to even hear about creationism.

I think you are only reading the views of Wahabbis which is I guess understandable since they release the most literature in order to try and act like they are the mainstream sect of Sunnis but even after a century plus and millions of petro dollars they do not make up the majority of Sunnis.

Oktar is a clown in Turkey itself let's not talk about him although yeah he is one of the biggest proponent of creationism.

 

[haman10]

 

[Daneshmand]

Half a million refugees had taken refuge in Iran during World War II. Most of them from Europe and alot of them Jews. Polish government recently has issued a commemorative stamp remembering the era. The stamp reads, Esfehan the city of Polish Children:

He is Wegger Christian Strømmen, the political director of Norwegian foreign ministry. Obviously this is what happens when you start to believe in your own propaganda. The poor guy thinks Iran is still being run by a monarchy system with religion at top, similar to Saudi Arabia and the Iranian foreign minister is a royal person. As it is in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait et etc. Obviously he has not been told how thing are really in Iran and he has come with all the propaganda in his head. Another thing that can be learnt from this picture, is how these people meet Arabs. Bowing down to them, every time.

 

[Daneshmand]

I think you are only reading the views of Wahabbis which is I guess understandable since they release the most literature in order to try and act like they are the mainstream sect of Sunnis but even after a century plus and millions of petro dollars they do not make up the majority of Sunnis.

Oktar is a clown in Turkey itself let's not talk about him although yeah he is one of the biggest proponent of creationism.

That might be the case. But I have seen the Deobandi position too, which is hostile to put it mildly. Though you might be right that there are other Sunni groups whose position in this regard, I don't know. For example it would be interesting to know the position of Al-Azhar university or for that matter the position of Turkish Ulema or Pakistani Ulema or Indonesian Ulema on the matter.

Otkar is obviously a clown. But he has alot of power in Turkey and has the Turkish government on his back. He is instrumental in disseminating Christian neo-creationist/intelligent design ideas in Muslim lands. I would not take him lightly. The damage such clowns cause, takes centuries to repair.