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Yeah, I'm 26, but that's not why I asked. Just curious. All Asians are the same when it comes to family pressure. My mom will probably have a heart attack if she knew I was getting a motorcycle. Little does she know that my little brother is 10 steps ahead of me lmao. He already has his license and hasn't told her. Motorcycles can be death traps if you want them too. In North America there's no reason to make it a death trap, b/c the vast majority of people follow the rules of the road, so as long as you don't ride like a lunatic you should be fine.

I am cautious driver and won't be doing anything dangerous. Just need to watch out for other drivers. And low cc bike minimizes chance of making mistakes apparently. Good luck on your exam though. And be safe in your test ride.
 
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I am cautious driver and won't be doing anything dangerous. Just need to watch out for other drivers. And low cc bike minimizes chance of making mistakes apparently. Good luck on your exam though. And be safe in your test ride.
So I did my knowledge test and passed of course, but then I wanted to book a road test and she said we're booked till May lmao. First I have to find a riding school though. They don't do road tests for motorcycles in the winter here so everybody books their exams from months in advance. **** my life.
 
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Yes, I believe in philosophy as long as it is in the domain of useful knowledge. :lol: My views on it are highly applicable and practical and not for the fun of it. I guess I fall more on the spectrum of Dr Feynman's view of philosophy.

Masses do not have a mind. Do they? Can they think? Can they reason? Individuals can. Masses can not. Only a least common denominator brings the masses together and often this LCD is unknown to the masses themselves and is created by their leaders/politicians/philosophers etc etc. Theoretically for a mass of an altruistic, highly thoughtful individuals with lofty morals, this LCD might take the form of a good common cause. Human history tells a different story.

Here, I must pause for a while, in order to drop in a suggestion, if you allow me to. When in an intellectual debate, it is a good idea, not to invoke over-simplified derivatives and generalizations about what the other debater is saying, which often impedes the progression of thought and reason. Take this statement of yours:



This way of phrasing, is unhelpful in a logical debate since it is taking the form of a logical fallacy.

But on the topic, I would disagree with your generalization (or rather the opposite) of my argument. The lack of thinking is not a respected way of thinking. But it is a way of life and it is as old as history of humanity. Whether it is respected or not, is a subjective derivative. I personally do not think it is. Others might disagree. What is important though is not to disregard its existence. Or its abundance. Rather its over-abundance :lol:.



Actually I genuinely don't. I am not being courteous or shy here. The only thing I know for sure, is that duality I told you about. I do not even see it as contradiction that is why I said duality. Take the instance of opposition to granting voting rights to women in West. Were these opponents playing politics to keep power a masculine affair or did they in sincerity believe that women do not have the intelligence to be trusted with such power? I genuinely do not know in case of every individual who was opposing this reform. Because I can not know what was going through their minds.

The only thing I can know for sure, is that they did oppose and that they had a following in society (for a very very long time). Or take the example of Shah who did give voting rights to women, but in an interview with a foreign journalist, he basically could not bring himself to admit that women are as intelligent as men. Did he really believe that? Or was he as the leader of masses could not exceed their LCD? We do not know. The same is the case here. I am sure Ayt. Khomeini did grapple with duality of Western Enlightenment and Islamic Conservatism. That is for sure. Did he really believe that he could keep women away from voting booths or was he appealing to LCD of majority of Iranians at the time who ACTUALLY did agree with him, is unknowable. At least for me, since I prefer not to look at, with prejudice and keep it astutely a philosophical matter (which really should be).



Well, if you are referring to me here, then I must admit that I have no lofty claims. I am just stating the reality (or the lack thereof its perception). You should not forget that reality is not today. To see the big picture, you have to see beyond today and 40 years ago. A good start to see the big picture would be to look at Iran from about 3000 years ago onwards, since we are so much influenced today by the history of this past 3000 years. I do not subscribe to simplistic notions.

See @Abii , like many others, thinks there are two Iran-s. One that he sees as per his desires, the one it deserves to be and even how it could have been and the other one that is the current reality. Many Iranians think similarly. That a 'topos noetos' of a prosperous Iran exists somewhere and is very much 'real', almost near delivery, highly achievable and even more important than the reality itself we are facing today. That the reason, this has not happened yet, is because of IR, Shah, Qajar, Akhonds, bad managers, corrupt bureaucrats, and so on, you name it. Only if we could remove these, then Iran will be a bastion of prosperity and a manifestation of heavenly life on earth.

I do not see it this way. Iran is at the best it can be, right now. The reason is, very simple. Chaotic systems reach the equilibrium they deserve. Iran is no different.

You might ask then why some equilibrium are more prosperous than others based on your "primitive phenomena of achievements, results and effects at the end of the day"? This is where that big picture comes in. The reality of the past 3000 years.

Since you seem to be interested so much in thinking, and since you did not take part in debate but rather ma ro saval pich kardi, I would like here to drop in some, not really questions, but just thought provokers to make a point, that Iran has always been like this and will remain so until a process of completely domestic enlightenment (not a Western imitation) brings it out of darkness. Lets go back 3000 years to see the big picture:

When Homer, Plato, Socrates etc etc were walking on periphery of Iranian empire, who was walking in Iran that you can claim to be of the same statue as these?

How come democracy is invented in Greece a relatively weak and small combination of city states, rather than in Iranian empire or for that matter the Chinese empire?

How come none of these giants in philosophy who often lived mediocre lives in their city states and even were subjected to prosecution (eg. Socrates) never chose to seek refuge in Iranian empire?

Gymnasium was a publicly funded institution of sports training and intellectual learning very much similar to modern universities today. It had a very liberal atmosphere as the name attests. Was there an equivalent in Iranian empire?

Knowledge was central to Greek and later on, to Western civilization. You could not be considered a free citizen unless you had passed through trivium and quadrivium. Was it the way in Iran too?

Do you believe in a 'topos noetos' of Iran? Why do you?

Or let me rephrase, why do you deserve better? (In an strictly philosophical sense of course, no need to get offended :D)
Thanks man, now it's the time I can finally admit, I have seen a trend line of thinking, a personality whom rather than knowing what he doesn't want, knows exactly what he wants, and that's a rare case, nowadays, in the vicinity. :tup:

Only a least common denominator brings the masses together and often this LCD
What a beautiful way of expression, hmmm, LCD, but let me amend the conclusion a little, masses united for a greater cause based on LCD, apart from being so much of a respectful, are really really rare in the history. Do you confirm it?
But in abundance, you can find in history, rallying masses that they have been manipulated in the way that they think it's their LCD bringing them together, while in reality it was a implanted seed of imported thought that had made them stick together. You know, apart from the written literature in some old dusty books, I have found a living creature, capable of humiliating the masses in sugar coated words, hence I won't let him go away easily until I feel fulfilled to the very last drop. :lol:

But on the topic, I would disagree with your generalization (or rather the opposite) of my argument. The lack of thinking is not a respected way of thinking. But it is a way of life and it is as old as history of humanity. Whether it is respected or not, is a subjective derivative. I personally do not think it is. Others might disagree. What is important though is not to disregard its existence. Or its abundance. Rather its over-abundance
Couldn't be more agree. :tup:, in a perfect abundance.

When Homer, Plato, Socrates etc etc were walking on periphery of Iranian empire, who was walking in Iran that you can claim to be of the same statue as these?

How come democracy is invented in Greece a relatively weak and small combination of city states, rather than in Iranian empire or for that matter the Chinese empire?

How come none of these giants in philosophy who often lived mediocre lives in their city states and even were subjected to prosecution (eg. Socrates) never chose to seek refuge in Iranian empire?

Gymnasium was a publicly funded institution of sports training and intellectual learning very much similar to modern universities today. It had a very liberal atmosphere as the name attests. Was there an equivalent in Iranian empire?

Knowledge was central to Greek and later on, to Western civilization. You could not be considered a free citizen unless you had passed through trivium and quadrivium. Was it the way in Iran too?

That has been my question for a long long time, it's really hard to put your nationalism and other prejudging beliefs away while you are performing a logical thinking, there are times that you think you have passed those blocking prejudging habits, while in reality they are still active and influential in the background.
Plato in his book the republic, has named the naval battle between the forces of Persians and Greeks in the Mediterranean sea as the most decisive battle of history in 500 BC, it's something that Mr. Durant has paid serious attention to in his book the story of philosophy, literally in his book he has made available some information and data and then he has also asked the same fundamental question.
He implies, how come it be possible for a great force and great source of then knowledge to perform some outstanding maritime navigation in some 2499 years ago, circling the strait of Jibal al tariq, digging the Suez canal to make a path for the then amazingly mighty it's marine forces to battle the Greeks.
He then starts a process of conclusion, says there can't be such a prosperity in technology without the existence of scientific academies and sources, scientific academies and sources couldn't become so mature without developing the fundamental requirements of scientific evolution, and the very basic part for such an environment should be the availability of written manuscripts.
But where are those manuscripts, where are those books, why should there remain so many handwriting's and manuscripts and books from the so called Greek civilization, from the writing's of Plato, Socritos, Euclidos and one can't find a single piece of manuscript from the then mighty Persian civilization?
Then he tracks the history back to some 1400 years ago to the time when the Arabs invaded Persia in the time of their second caliphate the Omar, while raising the exclamation that we have brought you a single book that would fulfill all your needs so all other books should be burned into ashes, and then they started bringing down and burning all the libraries and even the very rare books in the homes containing the proofs and fundamentals of the Persian civilization. (all together with the so called civilization :lol: )
All I wanted to mention is that it's not the first time one has raised these questions you mentioned, and one can't find an absolute answer to those, cause we are all entitled to be sanked (drowned :lol: ) in the ocean of history.
But to see the whole picture at once, we have no other choice but to return back to your initial claim and belief, no matter what has this specific nation (Iranians) been and achieved no matter how deep the roots of their civilization and cultural heritage has once reached, the current form of this society has settled down at it's exact point of deserve and require.
 
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@SOHEIL

من نمیدونم منظورت چیه؟ نهایتا میفهمیم همونیه که بود. تو منبعی داری که بهش استناد می کنی؟
 
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من نمیدونم منظورت چیه؟ نهایتا میفهمیم همونیه که بود. تو منبعی داری که بهش استناد می کنی؟
dadash , ghorboonet , be hich vajh RD-33 tooye F-5 ja nemishe :)

RD-33 hodoodan 420cm tooleshe .

J-85 hodood 120cm
 
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Can Iranian members translate this poem from Shah Ismail?

Gönül ne gezersin seyran yerinde
Âlemde her şeyin yerinde
Olura olmaza dost deyüb gezme
Bir ahdine bütün yâr olmayınca

Yürü sofî yürü yolundan azma
İlin gıybetine kuyular kazma
Varub her dükkânda metâın çözme
Yanında mürşidin var olmayınca

Kalktı havalandı gönülün kuşu
Kavga gıybet etmek kötünün işi
Üstadın tanımaz bunda her kişi
Anın kim mürşidi er olmayınca

Varub bir kötüye sen olma nöker
Çerhine değer de dolunu döker
Ne Hudâ’dan korkar ne hicap çeker
Bir kötüde nâmus âr olmayınca

Şah Hatâyî’m edem bu sırrı beyan
Kâmil midir câhil sözüne uyan
Bir başdan ağlamak ömredir ziyan
İki başdan muhib Yâr olmayınca

Thanks.
 
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So I did my knowledge test and passed of course, but then I wanted to book a road test and she said we're booked till May lmao. First I have to find a riding school though. They don't do road tests for motorcycles in the winter here so everybody books their exams from months in advance. **** my life.

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Till May? That's ridiculous, now I know I would need to work ahead. :D

If I manage to convince my family, which is very unlikely, unfortunatly the idea might have to be put aside. :(
 
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Till May? That's ridiculous, now I know I would need to work ahead. :D

If I manage to convince my family, which is very unlikely, unfortunatly the idea might have to be put aside. :(
I found another school that offers classes in April and they say they can do the road test as well. Meanwhile I think I found my motorcycle:
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It's an entry level cruiser, but it's got a more sporty design and engine. Maybe your family will agree if you tell them you won't buy a sport bike. These cruisers aren't meant for speed, although they can still kick ***. They look amazing too. Harley Davidson has a couple of really cool looking sporty cruisers (Iron 883 for example), but they're a bit too expensive and heavy. This Kawasaki Vulcan S is perfect. I'm in love with this damn thing.

 
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I found another school that offers classes in April and they say they can do the road test as well. Meanwhile I think I found my motorcycle:
101514middle5.jpg


It's an entry level cruiser, but it's got a more sporty design and engine. Maybe your family will agree if you tell them you won't buy a sports bike. These cruisers aren't meant for speed, although they can still kick ***. They look amazing too. Harley Davidson has a couple of really cool looking sporty cruisers (Iron 883 for example), but they're a bit too expensive and heavy. This Kawasaki Vulcan S is perfect. I'm in love with this damn thing.


Aren't the 300cc pretty much cruisers? I plan on cruising as well. Still can't convince my parents. My father immediately rejects and refuses to discuss. :lol:

I'm not into non-sporty designs but as daily rider/cruiser you will like that. They remind me of motorcycles in Gaza. My parents were traumatized by number of motorcycle accidents there, probably why they're scared. In Gaza some of the riders sometimes are wreckless and make stupid mistakes. Most accident related deaths come from drowing and motorcycle accidents. Because we have tall complexes on every block and if you dint make full stop someone will hit you from other direction.

Are you a big guy though? I'm not the buffest guy out there and I fear I might drop it on myself and not be able to balance my driving. :D
 
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Aren't the 300cc pretty much cruisers? I plan on cruising as well. Still can't convince my parents. My father immediately rejects and refuses to discuss. :lol:

I'm not into non-sporty designs but as daily rider/cruiser you will like that. They remind me of motorcycles in Gaza. My parents were traumatized by number of motorcycle accidents there, probably why they're scared. In Gaza some of the riders sometimes are wreckless and make stupid mistakes. Most accident related deaths come from drowing and motorcycle accidents. Because we have tall complexes on every block and if you dint make full stop someone will hit you from other direction.

Are you a big guy though? I'm not the buffest guy out there and I fear I might drop it on myself and not be able to balance my driving. :D
It's not just about the engine displacement. You have to factor in the chassis, the length of the bike and of course the weight. A 300cc engine on a light frame is still no joke. But another thing that makes a "cruiser" a cruising motorcycle is the seating position. You sit upright on a cruiser and b/c of that you can be on the bike for longer distances. On a sport bike you lean forward and you obviously can't handle longer journeys as your back starts hurting after a while. Even if you're on a 150cc piece of shit, if you're leaning forward you can't really use it for cruising around.

No, I'm not a big guy at all. Very skinny actually. The Vulcan S isn't a traditional cruiser though. It can be set to 3 different riding positions and seat heights to accommodate every body type. They do it right at the dealership. And yeah, most middle easterners in the West, specially Arabs, aren't into the whole hipster/metro scene. Personally I love the hipster vibe of that Vulcan. It's traditional, but in a contemporary and modern way. Matches my aesthetics really well.

btw, the Europeans are coming up with motorcycle jackets and gear that have airbags in them. They deploy when you hit an object and get thrown off the bike. They're still concept ideas. Ducati has a video of it on youtube, but it's not very good. That would make motorcycles so much safer. But each jacket will probably cost 2-3000 dollars easy.
 
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It's not just about the engine displacement. You have to factor in the chassis, the length of the bike and of course the weight. A 300cc engine on a light frame is still no joke. But another thing that makes a "cruiser" a cruising motorcycle is the seating position. You sit upright on a cruiser and b/c of that you can be on the bike for longer distances. On a sport bike you lean forward and you obviously can't handle longer journeys as your back starts hurting after a while. Even if you're on a 150cc piece of shit, if you're leaning forward you can't really use it for cruising around.

No, I'm not a big guy at all. Very skinny actually. The Vulcan S isn't a traditional cruiser though. It can be set to 3 different riding positions and seat heights to accommodate every body type. They do it right at the dealership. And yeah, most middle easterners in the West, specially Arabs, aren't into the whole hipster/metro scene. Personally I love the hipster vibe of that Vulcan. It's traditional, but in a contemporary and modern way. Matches my aesthetics really well.

btw, the Europeans are coming up with motorcycle jackets and gear that have airbags in them. They deploy when you hit an object and get thrown off the bike. They're still concept ideas. Ducati has a video of it on youtube, but it's not very good. That would make motorcycles so much safer. But each jacket will probably cost 2-3000 dollars easy.

I am skinny too, that's why I wondered if I need to bulk to handle one but probably not. I do have good amount of strength. If they make such jackets I'd purchase them it's better safe than sorry.

I have to sit on one to find out if having my back bent would be problem. I know for sure I would never take it on highway. seems to risky for me. And people in my city sometimes are very impatient so I don't want it falling over.

Can you even test one on a track by April ? Or March?
 
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