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No bro, that wasn't my intention. :(

You are right about me not having hosele to write a long answer as I said in previous post too, but I didn't mean to be rude in any way. Anyhow, I apologize if you found my post an impolite one
Dude, no need to apologize, I was just kidding.

Thanks again for the reply,
But to get specific, may I reject this statement?
The forces and desires were already there. They just required Ayt. Khomeini and whatever he did on that day or on subsequent days.
Do you believe in philosophy? I mean you seem to confirm the belief in philosophy that the masses are not a great point of reliance, as they are sitting ducks to be manipulated, propaganda subjected and induced, and that has always been the unsolved problem through all the history.
You know, your statement above isn't true unless you stand for the idea that the lack of thinking could be considered a respected way of thinking.
And also for the part:
Whether he was playing politics in 15th Khordad or he really believed in what he did
I have to say that we both know the answer to that question. There are contradictions (You know where and what I mean), some real, deep contradictions, and I believe you know clearly, that the matter wasn't a political game play.
I am not interested in 'little' debates about particular incidents and rallies, the tactical reasons for this or that protest and such trivialities as who said what (books, magazines, TV and internet are filled with that already)
That's definitely the feature I like the most, but to have such a claim in beliefs, one should also respect some principles, what are those? a primitive one would be to see a phenomena by it's achievements, results and effects at the end of the day.
Witnessing, what we are observing today, isn't enough for you to start judging the whole picture?
 
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@Abii

I don't like Hondas 300cbr design. Seems too small and low for me. The higher level ones look better. But at our of 300cc displacement for beginner bikes I agree the Yamaha R3 looks the best. Not sure why people say 300cc is boring. I have to try for myself. My worry is being to handle one, I wanna know if illl handle the weight fine. If I could do that the rest should be easy as I'm largely very cautious driver.

If you're getting it in April let us know how it's like to drive. Some say they ride like bicycles if that's case ill get one.
 
@Abii

I don't like Hondas 300cbr design. Seems too small and low for me. The higher level ones look better. But at our of 300cc displacement for beginner bikes I agree the Yamaha R3 looks the best. Not sure why people say 300cc is boring. I have to try for myself. My worry is being to handle one, I wanna know if illl handle the weight fine. If I could do that the rest should be easy as I'm largely very cautious driver.

If you're getting it in April let us know how it's like to drive. Some say they ride like bicycles if that's case ill get one.
I think the problem is that a lot of people who review these bikes come down from bikes with larger displacements and they're not used to the go kart feel. A 1000cc bike is heavier and the second you spin the throttle you're in the next galaxy. Turning isn't easy on 2 wheels when you're going fast. With these smaller bikes you really have to be high in the RPM range to make them move fast and by then you're also in the higher gears riding in a straight line on the highway. In normal situations you won't be getting yourself into trouble.

I'll have to take my riding course first and then my stupid road test and after that I can go buy one. But I'll keep you updated.

I know. On Persianfootball.com we discussed this last month and cried ourselves to sleep that night. The country is run by a group of orangutans with turbans.

These are the idiots that run our country

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i swear even kids nowadays have much higher english skills :lol:

@Daneshmand

agha man gorouh bandi staggery ru ba dars minor shoro kardam (ravan) hala mese sag pashimoonam

khial mikardam chon be khatere nomram ejaze midan ba minor shoro konam hatman yek emtiaz kheyli khoobie :D

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hala moondam toosh :(

che kar konam dr. ? komakam kon :(

alan doostam ba major shoro kardan va hame az nazar savadi joloye manan
 
You're telling us that it's because of oil that Iran is corrupt. I point at Canada, a country that exports 3 times more oil than Iran, and growing, and you counter by saying in Canada oil is privatized!!

What does that have to do with anything? In Canada, health care is government mandated and isn't privatized. Utility companies are owned by the provinces and they're not privatized. I can go on and on. Whether a certain sector is state owned or not makes no difference when the country itself IS A DEMOCRATIC free society with rule of law and a free market economy. Whether Alberta "nationalizes' the oil industry or keeps it private, the result will be the same.

Iran is corrupt because power is in the hands of a few. We see this in China, we see it in Zimbabwe, we see it North Korea and...

In China, corruption runs deep in every sector. From manufacturing to commodities. It's no different in Iran. The difference is that in Iran, the oil industry is the only industry that makes any money, so it's the most talked about.

And Canada's diverse economy didn't grow in a vacuum. It's the result of the environment. You can't duplicate success in Zimbabwe or Iran without duplicating the ecosystem. Not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp.

I am sorry, but it appears you do not know what corruption actually is. Rather, at least the kind of a corruption we are talking about in this case. here we are talking about military/political power centers being involved in economic activity detrimental to welfare of general population. Basic service sectors that do not produce hard currency, like electricity distribution system or healthcare generally can not become a driving force behind corruption. Even in Iran these sectors are not seen as driving forces behind corruption. So your argument is moot.

In private sector the motivation for personal profit and safeguarding it, nullifies the corruption. The private wealth holder has different goals and priorities from a government employee managing a source of wealth. The critical difference is in how you use human weaknesses and greed in a system to battle corruption, rather than to promote it. The private money making business be it oil or manufacturing or agriculture becoming corrupt is only detrimental to the owners of these entities. In a government controlled system, the managing entity going corrupt is highly beneficial to the corrupt government manager. Be it in democracy or in dictatorship. Corruption exists even in democratic India, Bangladesh and South Africa. It is a more complex problem than what you think. Governance systems that do not have the transparency and ability to separate political office from personal finances of political office power holders will eventually go corrupt. Even in pluralistic democracies.

And please do not compare China with Iran. China has one of the most efficient manufacturing sectors that human history has ever come to know. Corruption exists there because it is not a transparent system but Chinese are working on that. And in China alot of the corruption is actually being tolerated in order to maximize the efficiency of the system eg. when Chinese companies and government pay under the table commissions in order to keep their global market share. Ideally it should not be that way but China is battling economic powers bigger and older than itself and considers this kind of corruption necessary for its survival.

I agree with you that Canada's diverse economy is a product of its "environment". But this can not be duplicated in Iran, even if the entire Canadian government system and the Canadian laws are transplanted to Iran. A diverse economy built around human resources depends on philosophical beliefs of a nation rather than its set of laws or whether it has a "duplicated" Canadian "ecosystem". The government and the laws can help but they can go so far. It is the people who must change their beliefs for such an economy to be born.
 
@Daneshmand

agha man gorouh bandi staggery ru ba dars minor shoro kardam (ravan) hala mese sag pashimoonam

khial mikardam chon be khatere nomram ejaze midan ba minor shoro konam hatman yek emtiaz kheyli khoobie :D

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hala moondam toosh :(

che kar konam dr. ? komakam kon :(

alan doostam ba major shoro kardan va hame az nazar savadi joloye manan

Aslan mohem nist. The first law of ravan is: Stop comparing yourself to others. :D

In the end, all will be the same except for those who put their mind into each one of these stages as they go through. Concentrate on what you are going through now or you will miss badly later on, since you will not be able to experience these in future. Actually my experience says, ravan is under-estimated. Tomorrow, which ever specialty you choose or even if you do general practice, this experience will be critical when you are interacting with patients (and even your colleagues and general population). Another piece of advice, would be to force yourself to treat each department you go through as the one which you have always dreamed of being part of. It opens up possibilities later on when you want to choose between them as your future line of work. Sometimes it even changes what you always wanted (or rather thought you wanted).

The best doctors whom I have ever met, are those who have extensive knowledge and even experience in diverse disciplines. The reason for this being, the real world does not work like the world of books. Patients can not be sub-grouped into distinct clean-cut specialties. Once you will have the responsibility to treat someone on your own, you will be amazed how often you will have to treat and help with treatment of conditions far away from your area of interest and how extraordinarily difficult (specially in the case of females) it is to win the trust of your patients.

More than anything, now you should make a mindset. An ideological state of mind to see everything as interconnected and as important as the rest. Minor major is only for administrative, bureaucratic management of system, and not for the patients. Stop making these issues, a learning and experiencing impediment.
 
Stop making these issues, a learning and experiencing impediment.
Thanks for the thorough explanation .

i know that "at last" everyone will pass the same courses , but i was worried about the impact of their order on my studies .

you're right , i am making a big deal out of nothing .

Tnx for the advise :)
 
Thanks for the thorough explanation .

i know that "at last" everyone will pass the same courses , but i was worried about the impact of their order on my studies .

you're right , i am making a big deal out of nothing .

Tnx for the advise :)

You are welcome, bro. The order does not have any impact on the kind of doctor you will be. Rest assured of that. These are just childish kindergarten type of jealousy feelings. Disregard them. Concentrate on taking as many good things from each one as you pass through them. Every day you go there, keep this in mind.
 
Do you believe in philosophy? I mean you seem to confirm the belief in philosophy that the masses are not a great point of reliance, as they are sitting ducks to be manipulated, propaganda subjected and induced, and that has always been the unsolved problem through all the history.
You know, your statement above isn't true unless you stand for the idea that the lack of thinking could be considered a respected way of thinking.
And also for the part:

I have to say that we both know the answer to that question. There are contradictions (You know where and what I mean), some real, deep contradictions, and I believe you know clearly, that the matter wasn't a political game play.

That's definitely the feature I like the most, but to have such a claim in beliefs, one should also respect some principles, what are those? a primitive one would be to see a phenomena by it's achievements, results and effects at the end of the day.
Witnessing, what we are observing today, isn't enough for you to start judging the whole picture?

Yes, I believe in philosophy as long as it is in the domain of useful knowledge. :lol: My views on it are highly applicable and practical and not for the fun of it. I guess I fall more on the spectrum of Dr Feynman's view of philosophy.

Masses do not have a mind. Do they? Can they think? Can they reason? Individuals can. Masses can not. Only a least common denominator brings the masses together and often this LCD is unknown to the masses themselves and is created by their leaders/politicians/philosophers etc etc. Theoretically for a mass of an altruistic, highly thoughtful individuals with lofty morals, this LCD might take the form of a good common cause. Human history tells a different story.

Here, I must pause for a while, in order to drop in a suggestion, if you allow me to. When in an intellectual debate, it is a good idea, not to invoke over-simplified derivatives and generalizations about what the other debater is saying, which often impedes the progression of thought and reason. Take this statement of yours:

You know, your statement above isn't true unless you stand for the idea that the lack of thinking could be considered a respected way of thinking.

This way of phrasing, is unhelpful in a logical debate since it is taking the form of a logical fallacy.

But on the topic, I would disagree with your generalization (or rather the opposite) of my argument. The lack of thinking is not a respected way of thinking. But it is a way of life and it is as old as history of humanity. Whether it is respected or not, is a subjective derivative. I personally do not think it is. Others might disagree. What is important though is not to disregard its existence. Or its abundance. Rather its over-abundance :lol:.

I have to say that we both know the answer to that question. There are contradictions (You know where and what I mean), some real, deep contradictions, and I believe you know clearly, that the matter wasn't a political game play.

Actually I genuinely don't. I am not being courteous or shy here. The only thing I know for sure, is that duality I told you about. I do not even see it as contradiction that is why I said duality. Take the instance of opposition to granting voting rights to women in West. Were these opponents playing politics to keep power a masculine affair or did they in sincerity believe that women do not have the intelligence to be trusted with such power? I genuinely do not know in case of every individual who was opposing this reform. Because I can not know what was going through their minds.

The only thing I can know for sure, is that they did oppose and that they had a following in society (for a very very long time). Or take the example of Shah who did give voting rights to women, but in an interview with a foreign journalist, he basically could not bring himself to admit that women are as intelligent as men. Did he really believe that? Or was he as the leader of masses could not exceed their LCD? We do not know. The same is the case here. I am sure Ayt. Khomeini did grapple with duality of Western Enlightenment and Islamic Conservatism. That is for sure. Did he really believe that he could keep women away from voting booths or was he appealing to LCD of majority of Iranians at the time who ACTUALLY did agree with him, is unknowable. At least for me, since I prefer not to look at, with prejudice and keep it astutely a philosophical matter (which really should be).

That's definitely the feature I like the most, but to have such a claim in beliefs, one should also respect some principles, what are those? a primitive one would be to see a phenomena by it's achievements, results and effects at the end of the day.
Witnessing, what we are observing today, isn't enough for you to start judging the whole picture?

Well, if you are referring to me here, then I must admit that I have no lofty claims. I am just stating the reality (or the lack thereof its perception). You should not forget that reality is not today. To see the big picture, you have to see beyond today and 40 years ago. A good start to see the big picture would be to look at Iran from about 3000 years ago onwards, since we are so much influenced today by the history of this past 3000 years. I do not subscribe to simplistic notions.

See @Abii , like many others, thinks there are two Iran-s. One that he sees as per his desires, the one it deserves to be and even how it could have been and the other one that is the current reality. Many Iranians think similarly. That a 'topos noetos' of a prosperous Iran exists somewhere and is very much 'real', almost near delivery, highly achievable and even more important than the reality itself we are facing today. That the reason, this has not happened yet, is because of IR, Shah, Qajar, Akhonds, bad managers, corrupt bureaucrats, and so on, you name it. Only if we could remove these, then Iran will be a bastion of prosperity and a manifestation of heavenly life on earth.

I do not see it this way. Iran is at the best it can be, right now. The reason is, very simple. Chaotic systems reach the equilibrium they deserve. Iran is no different.

You might ask then why some equilibrium are more prosperous than others based on your "primitive phenomena of achievements, results and effects at the end of the day"? This is where that big picture comes in. The reality of the past 3000 years.

Since you seem to be interested so much in thinking, and since you did not take part in debate but rather ma ro saval pich kardi, I would like here to drop in some, not really questions, but just thought provokers to make a point, that Iran has always been like this and will remain so until a process of completely domestic enlightenment (not a Western imitation) brings it out of darkness. Lets go back 3000 years to see the big picture:

When Homer, Plato, Socrates etc etc were walking on periphery of Iranian empire, who was walking in Iran that you can claim to be of the same statue as these?

How come democracy is invented in Greece a relatively weak and small combination of city states, rather than in Iranian empire or for that matter the Chinese empire?

How come none of these giants in philosophy who often lived mediocre lives in their city states and even were subjected to prosecution (eg. Socrates) never chose to seek refuge in Iranian empire?

Gymnasium was a publicly funded institution of sports training and intellectual learning very much similar to modern universities today. It had a very liberal atmosphere as the name attests. Was there an equivalent in Iranian empire?

Knowledge was central to Greek and later on, to Western civilization. You could not be considered a free citizen unless you had passed through trivium and quadrivium. Was it the way in Iran too?

Do you believe in a 'topos noetos' of Iran? Why do you?

Or let me rephrase, why do you deserve better? (In an strictly philosophical sense of course, no need to get offended :D)
 
@Abii

Good luck with that. Unfortunately Yamaha R3 doesn't come with abs in US. So I have to look into Kawasaki 300. I am intent on getting motorcycle license. Just one problem, I need make sure my family doesn't disown me. :(
 
@Abii

Good luck with that. Unfortunately Yamaha R3 doesn't come with abs in US. So I have to look into Kawasaki 300. I am intent on getting motorcycle license. Just one problem, I need make sure my family doesn't disown me. :(
Same in Canada. It doesn't have abs. I don't understand why to be honest. I also don't understand why some riders prefer not to have abs!!!

I'm about to go and do my knowledge test. Been doing practice tests online instead of reading the book lol. Don't feel like reading the damn book.

How old are you?
 
Same in Canada. It doesn't have abs. I don't understand why to be honest. I also don't understand why some riders prefer not to have abs!!!

I'm about to go and do my knowledge test. Been doing practice tests online instead of reading the book lol. Don't feel like reading the damn book.

How old are you?

Over 18, but Arab culture is family orientated so usually I go through with them before I do anything. I need another year and a half-two years to apply to Pharmaceutical school. You probably are older I'm guessing.
 
Over 18, but Arab culture is family orientated so usually I go through with them before I do anything. I need another year and a half-two years to apply to Pharmaceutical school. You probably are older I'm guessing.
Yeah, I'm 26, but that's not why I asked. Just curious. All Asians are the same when it comes to family pressure. My mom will probably have a heart attack if she knew I was getting a motorcycle. Little does she know that my little brother is 10 steps ahead of me lmao. He already has his license and hasn't told her. Motorcycles can be death traps if you want them too. In North America there's no reason to make it a death trap, b/c the vast majority of people follow the rules of the road, so as long as you don't ride like a lunatic you should be fine.
 

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