Iranian Air Defense Systems

[PeeD]

The Nazir is on the top of a 3000m mountain. It would make no sense to place a HF OTH radar on that location. Likely is that it is something between L-UHF-VHF-band, large aperture, phased array radar. Mounted at 3000m such a line of sight system can use its electronic scanning, anti-cutter function and pencil beams to look down. Something like the Voronezh-M but only a friction of the size is a good candidate.

 

[mohsen]

Thanks for your comment.

Please bear in mind that no Iranian (despite all the rhetoric from Iran military leaders, which is a normal behavior in any country to boost moral an deter the enemies) is under the delusion to think in a case of all out war between Iran and US, Iran will be the winner. Putting aside the technicality and capabilities of each side, it boils down to this: US is a 360 million strong nation (4.5 time more than that of Iran), with a land area 6 times that of Iran and an economy which is 45 times larger. These are the numbers that eventually define who will win in an actual war.

Imperial Japan made that mistake back in WWII. They were order of magnitude stronger in sea and air when compared to US after the Pearl Harbor attack so they thought they are stronger and they can keep it that way but what they didn't realize is that bigger population, economy and resources can easily translate to superior military might and/or number so just after two years, Japan fell behind because it was not able to replenish its lost units as fast as US could.

Back to Iran VS US case, it is the same situation. We may end up in a similar outcome like that of Veitnam war where in a war of attrition, eventually public pressure forces US to withdraw but at the same time we know we will lose all our infrastructure. Iranian are smart enough not to seek such an outcome even if they are announced winner of the war.

So Iran is never looking for an all out war scenario and its strategy is to make its opponents also think twice before they go down such a path. Iran's strategy is to increase the cost of any attack on Iran to the point that any potential enemy like US or Israel, opt for other means like diplomacy or even sanctions.

Going back to your question about Iran's AD system. I can assure you they are as accurate and deadly as you can get. After watching US previous wars eagerly, Iranians know that if they can ground or at least counter US airforce, then they have already raised the cost of any military option for US enough to prevent any attacks to begin with. Thus, AD has been Iran's top priority since almost 15 years ago. Iran established an independent division in its armed forces for AD, started with investing heavily on Radar design and production and at the same time increasing the range and accuracy of its AD missiles. Bavar 373's capacity are yet to be seen but they are already picking the fruit of their investment in Radars and early warning systems.

Here is a sample of how accurate and effective Iran's radars are. A couple of days ago, Iran's head of AD division announced activation of Iran's Nazir radar which is designed to detect drones, stealth and high flying objects. He said from now on, no drone or spy plane can enter Iran's air space without us knowing. Only a few days after that, Iran warned off a US drone, 20 miles off Iran border that was heading towards Iran from Afghanistan:

This is the screen of radar showing the incoming drone. As you can see all parameters of the object is recognized and displayed.

Here is the source that is in Persian:

http://www.mashreghnews.ir/fa/news/624576/شناساسی-و-اخطار-قرارگاه-پدافند-به-پهپاد-رادارگریز-آمریکایی-سند

Iran says it was a stealth drone probably judging by its RCS. Look at the height of the drone: 137, it can be meters or most probably feet. So the radar was able to find an object as small as a drone flying only 41m (height of a ten story building) in a mountainous area like that of Afghanistan.

Everyone knows that detection and guidance is the toughest part of designing an effective AD missiles system. The above news and similar shows Iran already has been successful in designing potent radars. Designing the missile that can carry the warhead to the target, should be peanuts for a nation that can put satellites in the orbit.

I just wanted to point out that some people (Iranian or none Iranian) were in the delusion that Israel army can easily annihilate the Hizbollah, if I want to compare the numbers like you, it would be X VS XXXX, this is the result which un-delusional people like you predicted back in 2006.
Japan with one of the greatest Naval forces realized it half decade ago that their world's biggest warship is useless in that war, Americans destroyed it in an Asymmetric warfare. so we may have to teach you and Americans once more time .

 

[Hack-Hook]

I just wanted to point out that some people (Iranian or none Iranian) were in the delusion that Israel army can easily annihilate the Hizbollah, if I want to compare the numbers like you, it would be X VS XXXX, this is the result which un-delusional people like you predicted back in 2006.
Japan with one of the greatest Naval forces realized it half decade ago that their world's biggest warship is useless in that war, Americans destroyed it in an Asymmetric warfare. so we may have to teach you and Americans once more time .

There was two yamato class battleship the finished one destroyed when it was out gunned ridiculously ,there was another one that sanked easily because of a fatal mistake by Japanese. They sent it to open see before installing the door that separated its compartment from each other.

 

[Rukarl]

I just wanted to point out that some people (Iranian or none Iranian) were in the delusion that Israel army can easily annihilate the Hizbollah, if I want to compare the numbers like you, it would be X VS XXXX, this is the result which un-delusional people like you predicted back in 2006.
Japan with one of the greatest Naval forces realized it half decade ago that their world's biggest warship is useless in that war, Americans destroyed it in an Asymmetric warfare. so we may have to teach you and Americans once more time .

He is not an enemy of Iran, go easy on him dude. Calm down.

 

[mohsen]

He is not an enemy of Iran, go easy on him dude. Calm down.

we are friends. but I like to reply in the same style!

 

[Rukarl]

we are friends.
but I like to reply in the same style!

You said teach "you and Americans". They guy already said he is not pro US policy etc. Chill out dude.

 

[Arminkh]

I just wanted to point out that some people (Iranian or none Iranian) were in the delusion that Israel army can easily annihilate the Hizbollah, if I want to compare the numbers like you, it would be X VS XXXX, this is the result which un-delusional people like you predicted back in 2006.
Japan with one of the greatest Naval forces realized it half decade ago that their world's biggest warship is useless in that war, Americans destroyed it in an Asymmetric warfare. so we may have to teach you and Americans once more time .

Yes Hezbollah defeated Israel but their infrastructure was destroyed while that of Israel was intact. You need to look at the results as a whole and don't even compare US to Israel. Yes you may destroy their fleet in Persian Gulf, then what?

You are banking on the assumption that a significant blow to US fleet in Persian Gulf will make them accept the defeat and back off. What if they don't? In a case of an all out war, where both sides are determined to continue until the end, US is not going to back off just because it lost 10% of its naval power. Even more important, now they need to defend their superpower status that has been badly challenged by a country like Iran. So for them it is either lose their status and let any other country here and there challenge their power or they will make an example of Iran so that no one else would ever do the same. My bet is on the latter.

They will continue while their infrastructure is intact and their plants are running 24/7 to produce what their war machine needs while every singe missile or fighter of theirs that can get through our air defense will destroy a vital plant or infrastructure that we can't replace as fast as it is destroyed. Eventually there will come a day when Iran's production capacity is gone while that of US is intact.

Read the history and learn. Until the day that Iran doesn't have any viable means to threat US on its own mainland, asymmetric warfare can only increase the cost of attack for US, it won't change the outcome. Yes, we can defeat them at a war of attrition after all our infrastructure and cities are ruined but so what?

Don't put me on the same side of US because I'm being logical. Sun Tzu more than 2500 years ago in his masterpiece "Art of War" said don't ever start a war that you can't win.

Iran has done a great job in deterring US by increasing the cost of any attack so far. But Iran should not ever be fooled by current status quo and think it can win an all out war with US. Not yet.

You said teach "you and Americans". They guy already said he is not pro US policy etc. Chill out dude.

It is ok. We have all been in this age. Full of emotion and neglecting the truth. War is won by people who are realistic and know their limits.

 

[mohsen]

You said teach "you and Americans". They guy already said he is not pro US policy etc. Chill out dude.

well, you misunderstood me. he learns by looking at their fate!

 

[mohsen]

Yes Hezbollah defeated Israel but their infrastructure was destroyed while that of Israel was intact. You need to look at the results as a whole and don't even compare US to Israel. Yes you may destroy their fleet in Persian Gulf, then what?

You are banking on the assumption that a significant blow to US fleet in Persian Gulf will make them accept the defeat and back off. What if they don't? In a case of an all out war, where both sides are determined to continue until the end, US is not going to back off just because it lost 10% of its naval power. Even more important, now they need to defend their superpower status that has been badly challenged by a country like Iran. So for them it is either lose their status and let any other country here and there challenge their power or they will make an example of Iran so that no one else would ever do the same. My bet is on the latter.

They will continue while their infrastructure is intact and their plants are running 24/7 to produce what their war machine needs while every singe missile or fighter of theirs that can get through our air defense will destroy a vital plant or infrastructure that we can't replace as fast as it is destroyed. Eventually there will come a day when Iran's production capacity is gone while that of US is intact.

Read the history and learn. Until the day that Iran doesn't have any viable means to threat US on its own mainland, asymmetric warfare can only increase the cost of attack for US, it won't change the outcome. Yes, we can defeat them at a war of attrition after all our infrastructure and cities are ruined but so what?

Don't put me on the same side of US because I'm being logical. Sun Tzu more than 2500 years ago in his masterpiece "Art of War" said don't ever start a war that you can't win.

Iran has done a great job in deterring US by increasing the cost of any attack so far. But Iran should not ever be fooled by current status quo and think it can win an all out war with US. Not yet.

well, escalating the situation is the reason that many analysis consider attack on Iran the start of world war III. but let's keep it to ourself (Iran vs America).
Those aircrafts which are supposed to bombard us, where they are going to land and take off from? we will bombard their bases with our missiles, how many missiles we need, you name the number!

what will happen to Americans economy if we cut their passage through strait of Hormuz? the economy already in 19 trillion dollars debt. and about their army, they can bring another 10% for us to destroy! and from where? their other fleets around the world? doesn't it means their hegemony ended in that part? each aircraft carrier costs about $5b, what's the cost(missile) to drown it? how much time it takes to build another carrier?
it doesn't matter what, just like what happened to Israelis, in the end of that war, there will be no floating American ship in the Persian gulf, sea of Oman and faraway in the Indian ocean! and they can forget the strait of Hormuz forever.
That's the new world order!

War is destructive, it's the nature of war. but sometimes you have to pay the price. yet, today, a decade after Israel invasion, is Lebanon living in ruins? did you say Hezbollah defeated Israel because of destroying more infrastructure?! then what about the hegemony which you talked about?! do you know that before that war Israel army was considered the forth powerful army in the world? now defeated by an armed group??? with no air defense, no airforce, no armored vessel light or heavy, no naval forces! then what about defending the forth powerful army statues?????
the answer: It joined the history!

 

[Aramagedon]

Yes Hezbollah defeated Israel but their infrastructure was destroyed while that of Israel was intact. You need to look at the results as a whole and don't even compare US to Israel. Yes you may destroy their fleet in Persian Gulf, then what?

You are banking on the assumption that a significant blow to US fleet in Persian Gulf will make them accept the defeat and back off. What if they don't? In a case of an all out war, where both sides are determined to continue until the end, US is not going to back off just because it lost 10% of its naval power. Even more important, now they need to defend their superpower status that has been badly challenged by a country like Iran. So for them it is either lose their status and let any other country here and there challenge their power or they will make an example of Iran so that no one else would ever do the same. My bet is on the latter.

They will continue while their infrastructure is intact and their plants are running 24/7 to produce what their war machine needs while every singe missile or fighter of theirs that can get through our air defense will destroy a vital plant or infrastructure that we can't replace as fast as it is destroyed. Eventually there will come a day when Iran's production capacity is gone while that of US is intact.

Read the history and learn. Until the day that Iran doesn't have any viable means to threat US on its own mainland, asymmetric warfare can only increase the cost of attack for US, it won't change the outcome. Yes, we can defeat them at a war of attrition after all our infrastructure and cities are ruined but so what?

Don't put me on the same side of US because I'm being logical. Sun Tzu more than 2500 years ago in his masterpiece "Art of War" said don't ever start a war that you can't win.

Iran has done a great job in deterring US by increasing the cost of any attack so far. But Iran should not ever be fooled by current status quo and think it can win an all out war with US. Not yet.


It is ok. We have all been in this age. Full of emotion and neglecting the truth. War is won by people who are realistic and know their limits.

US has no chance against Iran as long as we have thousands of missles and '15 million manpower' in case of war. even aliens can't defeat us. be realistic.

Futhermore any confilict between Iran and the US will turn Iranian peaceful nuclear program into military version and it would be so bad for the yanks and europeans considering that we have ICBMs that can land in the US. Ayatollah Khamenei in his speeches says: the time that imperial powers attack a country and run away is over, if anyone do something wrong against Iran they will pay it equally in their own country (the US).

 

[Arminkh]

well, escalating the situation is the reason that many analysis consider attack on Iran the start of world war III. but let's keep it to ourself (Iran vs America).
Those aircrafts which are supposed to bombard us, where they are going to land and take off from? we will bombard their bases with our missiles, how many missiles we need, you name the number!

From their bases in Garcia Island, Europe and even US. B52 range is around 14,000 km (more than the distance between New York and central Iran and that's without counting in the range of stand off weapons they carry. They can take off from US east coast and fire their missiles when they are above Mediterranean sea and we can't do anything about it but hoping our Bavar system can shoot down all of their cruise and glider bombs with 100% accuracy.

From their submarines in Mediterranean, red and Oman sea. We still don't have any weapon that can hit a submerged submarine at that distance.

what will happen to Americans economy if we cut their passage through strait of Hormuz? the economy already in 19 trillion dollars debt. and about their army, they can bring another 10% for us to destroy! and from where? their other fleets around the world? doesn't it means their hegemony ended in that part? each aircraft carrier costs about $5b, what's the cost(missile) to drown it? how much time it takes to build another carrier?
it doesn't matter what, just like what happened to Israelis, in the end of that war, there will be no floating American ship in the Persian gulf, sea of Oman and faraway in the Indian ocean! and they can forget the strait of Hormuz forever.
That's the new world order!

I'm afraid nothing major. Canada oil sand can easily replace any oil from middle east. And don't forget Russia would gladly step up and sell its oil at premium price.

They don't need to bring their fleet in. The keep shooting their missiles at us from distance until our refineries, power plants, airports, military bases, radars, power grids and .... are gone and then they can bring their fleet close.

And yes, It will be costly. But on the other hand all that money spent on replacing the lost units will actually help their economy the same way it did back in WWII.

War is destructive, it's the nature of war. but sometimes you have to pay the price. yet, today, a decade after Israel invasion, is Lebanon living in ruins? did you say Hezbollah defeated Israel because of destroying more infrastructure?! then what about the hegemony which you talked about?! do you know that before that war Israel army was considered the forth powerful army in the world? now defeated by an armed group??? with no air defense, no airforce, no armored vessel light or heavy, no naval forces! then what about defending the forth powerful army statues?????
the answer: It joined the history!

No I said Lebanon lost more than Israel in terms of infrastructure.

It depends how you define cost? A country that depends on help from KSA or even Iran to arm its military, IS IN RUINS. Lebanon and Hezbollah are standing because we want them to. If it was not because of our help, they wouldn't be where they are. Their infrastructure has no supportive role in their war with Israel because they are getting their arms from Iran or Syria. So they can afford to lose their infrastructure and still continue to fight.

In case of Iran, who will supply us with arms when our production capacity is gone? Russia? China? Do we really want to go that cheap to fight a proxy war for China and Russia just to prove we can defeat US? Yes lose 60 years of development and millions of soul to break US image only for others to pick the fruit because we will be in such a mess after the war that we probably won't be standing straight for decades.

No country can defeat another country in a war without having a means to attack its infrastructure and kill its production capacity. Germany and Japan lost the war exactly because of the same reason. Their plants and infrastructure were being destroyed in air raids while those of Allied forces were sitting intact in Canada and US. Do you have any doubt that Germany would have won the war if there weren't any US or Canada to produce what allies needed?

US has no chance against Iran as long as we have thousands of missles and '15 million manpower' in case of war. even aliens can't defeat us. be realistic.

Futhermore any confilict between Iran and the US will turn Iranian peaceful nuclear program into military version and it would be so bad for the yanks and europeans considering that we have ICBMs that can land in the US. Ayatollah Khamenei in his speeches says: the time that imperial powers attack a country and run away is over, if anyone do something wrong against Iran they will pay it equally in their own country (the US).

We are talking about an all out war. Deterrence is another issue.

US population is 360 million. They can draft 30 or hell even equal to Iran's population (80 million) if they need to. I'm sure you can find 80 million qualified male in a 360 million nation if we can get 15 million soldiers in an 80 million nation.

 

[Aramagedon]

From their bases in Garcia Island, Europe and even US. B52 range is around 14,000 km (more than the distance between New York and central Iran and that's without counting in the range of stand off weapons they carry. They can take off from US east coast and fire their missiles when they are above Mediterranean sea and we can't do anything about it but hoping our Bavar system can shoot down all of their cruise and glider bombs with 100% accuracy.

From their submarines in Mediterranean, red and Oman sea. We still don't have any weapon that can hit a submerged submarine at that distance.


I'm afraid nothing major. Canada oil sand can easily replace any oil from middle east. And don't forget Russia would gladly step up and sell its oil at premium price.

They don't need to bring their fleet in. The keep shooting their missiles at us from distance until our refineries, power plants, airports, military bases, radars, power grids and .... are gone and then they can bring their fleet close.

And yes, It will be costly. But on the other hand all that money spent on replacing the lost units will actually help their economy the same way it did back in WWII.



No I said Lebanon lost more than Israel in terms of infrastructure.

It depends how you define cost? A country that depends on help from KSA or even Iran to arm its military, IS IN RUINS. Lebanon and Hezbollah are standing because we want them to. If it was not because of our help, they wouldn't be where they are. Their infrastructure has no supportive role in their war with Israel because they are getting their arms from Iran or Syria. So they can afford to lose their infrastructure and still continue to fight.

In case of Iran, who will supply us with arms when our production capacity is gone? Russia? China? Do we really want to go that cheap to fight a proxy war for China and Russia just to prove we can defeat US? Yes lose 60 years of development and millions of soul to break US image only for others to pick the fruit because we will be in such a mess after the war that we probably won't be standing straight for decades.

No country can defeat another country in a war without having a means to attack its infrastructure and kill its production capacity. Germany and Japan lost the war exactly because of the same reason. Their plants and infrastructure were being destroyed in air raids while those of Allied forces were sitting intact in Canada and US. Do you have any doubt that Germany would have won the war if there weren't any US or Canada to produce what allies needed?


We are talking about an all out war. Deterrence is another issue.

US population is 360 million. They can draft 30 or hell even equal to Iran's population (80 million) if they need to. I'm sure you can find 80 million qualified male in a 360 million nation if we can get 15 million soldiers in an 80 million nation.

Mate you have forgotten [the homosexual] American soldiers are even afraid of fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq let alone Iran. in addition American soldiers fight for money and if the US begin a war it will cost billions $$$ for them but Iranian soldiers fight to save their country.

 

[Arminkh]

Mate you have forgotten [the homosexual] American soldiers are even afraid of fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq let alone Iran. in addition American soldiers fight for money and if the US begin a war it will cost billions $$$ for them but Iranian soldiers fight to save their country.

That's a very shortsighted view of ones enemy.

Let's leave it here.

 

[Aramagedon]

That's a very shortsighted view of ones enemy.

Let's leave it here.

It was a time Americans and israelis threatened Iran to war for many times and some so called Iran lover patriots like yourself wanted government to stop nuclear programs and they said US is very strong, dangerous etc.....

But Iranians didn't stop enrichmenting uranium even for one day let alone stop nuclear programs even for a while! despite Americans were at our right and left side in Iraq and Afghanistan. if Iranians didn't trust in themselves they would stop nuclear programs after five American threats at most!

 

[Rukarl]

Nazir radar's control center