Iranian Air Defense Systems

[ReasonableStar75]

That leaves Iran with the more painful option of a ground forces operation into northern Iraq to handle the Kurdish groups threatening Iran, but i dont think Iran will send ground forces into Northern Iraq and fully withdraw them after doing so, at least not immediately (at the minimum). I hope Kurds arent acting like "Ukrainians" in Northern Iraq- Iran - Turkey region, that's dangerous.

It would be sad, but if Irak fails to do that becuase US pressure, the Iran must act with resolve and enter with thousands of troops.

If war happens happens. Iran must risk to go to war, with whoever and for their interests.

 

[mohsen]

No they do not. They need just one (maybe two) datalink instances to feed to the guidance unit to recalculate and rectify any deviations. This is not laser guidance you need to lace the target the whole time and onboard ballistics computer is very accurate. Not to mention the intense plasma around the warhead heat shield blocks the ability to communicate once you reach terminal velocity.

Lastly You don’t maneuver past a certain terminal velocity point since you can cause incredible amounts of G force stress on the warhead. Certain warhead shapes (HGV blended body) can handle greater G forces vs tri-cone warheads.

Lastly Iran uses carbon fiber gyroscopes that are quite accurate. Gyroscopes lose accuracy as time passes in flight. But there are things the warhead can do like Star alignment to reposition alongside fast one time redundancy check using GLNSS.


K-4 uses Russian military GLNSS (not GPS) at exo level for one time redundancy course correction check.

Don’t believe me?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662427545478758401

Notice one time deviation check using GLNSS. Notice exo-MarV. All of its maneuvering is done exoatmospheric not endo. So you don’t know what you are talking about when it comes to K-4.

Also you cannot GPS spoof a missile that is rapidly moving space. Do you know how crazy you sound? GPS spoofing is done in an AREA up to a certain altitude. It’s not some laser you point at something and magically the target thinks it’s somewhere else.

Lastly warhead can signal hop using various GPS/GLNSS/Beidou satellites to keep the system honest, Shahed 136 has 4 GPS/GLNSS receivers for this very purpose and that is a 20K disposable drone. Now What do you think a $250-500K K-4/Fattah have? So the the chance you will successfully spoof or jam a hypersonic warhead is close to 0%.



Wrong. Iran makes some of the best IGU units in the world. You have no idea what you are talking about.



Are you comparing an artillery rocket to a exoatmospheric BM? HIMaRS is comparable to Fath 360, not a K-4 or Ghadr or Emad.

If you’re lucky an artillery rocket will reach 120,000 feet altitude. Jamming happens during the way down 30-40K feet and requires enrmy to understand what you’re trying to target. Jamming radius doesn’t cover an entire country. In case of Russia they can locate HIMARS general area and deduce what HVT they would target and set up jamming in that area.




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Learn to read a map. If you can’t, ask your mom or dad to show you.



RQ-170 was GPS spoofed. Stop arguing for sake of arguing. Data feed is more valuable to encrypt than GPS.

It's really pointless to argue with someone who knows nothing about missiles's guidance systems, so good luck with your pin-point accurate gyroscopes!

 

[TheImmortal]

It's really pointless to argue with someone who knows nothing about missiles's guidance systems, so good luck with your pin-point accurate gyroscopes!

Yes Mohsen I’m sure you are an expert on missile guidance systems considering the fact you completely botched K-4’s guidance system and can’t read a map to save your life.

But please go ahead and tell everyone how Iran is dumb enough to use its enemies positioning satellites for navigation during wartime. I’m sure Hajizadeh would laugh his *** off.

 

[TheImmortal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1709534542170562597

 

[WudangMaster]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1709534542170562597

Azarmehr frequently says this is Iran's most versatile drone and only lacks the ability to serve bread and tea. It was fitted with a gun earlier as well.

 

[shadihassan28]

Azarmehr frequently says this is Iran's most versatile drone and only lacks the ability to serve bread and tea. It was fitted with a gun earlier as well.

I actually always like the karrar it’s one of those drones that have stayed and gone through many upgrades. I’m glad this earlier drone that was made to hunt drones disappeared, karrar could actually have the ability to go after attack helicopters and other drones with almost no risk to personal.

 

[TheImmortal]

Azarmehr frequently says this is Iran's most versatile drone and only lacks the ability to serve bread and tea. It was fitted with a gun earlier as well.

Its value is cost saving measures whenever US drones and SIGNIT/ISR planes approach the border. Usually these days they send a Karrar and save money. Rarely are F-14’s flown to intercept anymore due to high cost

https://twitter.com/x/status/1709654317253177640

 

[mohsen]

But please go ahead and tell everyone how Iran is dumb enough to use its enemies positioning satellites for navigation during wartime. I’m sure Hajizadeh would laugh his *** off.

It's the commanders words that the guidance system in K4 turns off during reentry to neutralize the possible electronic warfare in terminal phase. maybe you think Israelis are as genius as yourself that could hack the gyroscopes!

During the unveiling of our backup plan for GPS (LPS), they mentioned the quite coincident 2000km range! so actually, Hajizadeh counted on no one's help.

 

[TheImmortal]

It's the commanders words that the guidance system in K4 turns off during reentry to neutralize the possible electronic warfare in terminal phase

So then you make my point that all maneuvering is done EXO-ATMOSPHERIC!

Here is what you said:

Actually BMs use GPS till last moment to achieve pin-point accuracy and so are vulnerable to EW.

You proved yourself wrong! Impressive

Like I said GPS/GLNSS/BEIDOU link during re-entry is highly unlikely due to plasma around the warhead making communication difficulty as it rips thru atmosphere at Mach 10+ (before slowing to terminal rate based on warhead design). As a redundancy measure it can be attempted, but the INS is not relying on GPS/GLNSS as the signal strength is not reliable in terminal phase nor needed starting with Emad MaRV and the subsequent warheads like K-4 and Fattah were able to do exo atomospheric adjustments.

During the unveiling of our backup plan for GPS (LPS), they mentioned the quite coincident 2000km range! so actually, Hajizadeh counted on no one's help.

It seems you simply don’t understand the guidance unit of a modern Iranian missile! You are still stuck in 2000’s

Look at the jump from Qiam 1 to Qiam 2 alone. LOOK WHEN GLNSS CHECK IS DONE - IN SPACE NOT TERMINAL. This is 2010 MaRV Qiam warhead. You act like K-4 did something ground breaking. It did not. It merely used thrusters to do the re-orientation in space.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1618535080808546304

It's really pointless to argue with someone who knows nothing about missiles's guidance systems, so good luck with your pin-point accurate gyroscopes!

You insult our Martyr Tehrani Moghdam and his work in laser gyscropes (cutting edge fiber optic guidance unit) that allowed pin point accuracy gyroscopes vs mechanical ones of the early 2000’s. Not your insulting theory that we relied on American satellites to achieve such a feat. Have some respect for those that sacrificed their lives so you could be so ignorant. Iran achieved pinpoint accuracy years before K-4 and its “dumb” re-entry technique (which also uses FOG btw).

After the Iranian officials insistence to increase the missile precision over its range, Tehrani Moghadam started doing research on the construction of laser gyroscopes, resulting with the Fateh-110D with an improved accuracy of 5 to 10m CEP.

The latest Fateh-110D and the preceding Fateh-110C have a maximum declared range of 186 miles. They benefit from GLONASS/BEIDOU-targeting and higher-quality laser-gyro inertial guidance systems. The missile, which has a 1,433-lb warhead, might fall on average within 15 meters of a designated target.

This is even a western Iran-hating source!

Look at 2020 missile strike on Al-Assad, not a single missile was jammed! It’s not possible! It’s fantasy!

The Iranian Drones and Ballistic Missiles That Might End Up in Russia's Arsenal

Russia might yet turn to Iran for additional types of Iranian drones and missiles. But its appetite for these weapons might hit roadblocks.

www.19fortyfive.com

Come on now Mohsen, stop insulting our engineers including the Martyr Moghdam with your insane theories how we only achieved pin point accuracy with GPS prior to K-4.

The US cannot even jam the signal on a $20K flying lawn mower (S-136) with commercial off the shelf parts. Yet you think they could jam, military grade electronics by Iran’s best engineers of a hypersonic RV warhead at Mach 6+.

Simply laughable.

 

[mohsen]

So then you make my point that all maneuvering is done EXO-ATMOSPHERIC!

Just since the K-4. prior to that, our missiles relied on terminal guidance, hence the use of fins.

You proved yourself wrong! Impressive

Like I said GPS/GLNSS/BEIDOU link during re-entry is highly unlikely due to plasma around the warhead making communication difficulty as it rips thru atmosphere at Mach 10+ (before slowing to terminal rate based on warhead design). As a redundancy measure it can be attempted, but the INS is not relying on GPS/GLNSS as the signal strength is not reliable in terminal phase nor needed starting with Emad MaRV and the subsequent warheads like K-4 and Fattah were able to do exo atomospheric adjustments.


It seems you simply don’t understand the guidance unit of a modern Iranian missile! You are still stuck in 2000’s

Look at the jump from Qiam 1 to Qiam 2 alone. LOOK WHEN GLNSS CHECK IS DONE - IN SPACE NOT TERMINAL. This is 2010 MaRV Qiam warhead. You act like K-4 did something ground breaking. It did not. It merely used thrusters to do the re-orientation in space.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1618535080808546304

You insult our Martyr Tehrani Moghdam and his work in laser gyscropes (cutting edge fiber optic guidance unit) that allowed pin point accuracy gyroscopes vs mechanical ones of the early 2000’s. Not your insulting theory that we relied on American satellites to achieve such a feat. Have some respect for those that sacrificed their lives so you could be so ignorant. Iran achieved pinpoint accuracy years before K-4 and its “dumb” re-entry technique (which also uses FOG btw).

Again, no. you are calling our commanders as liars and yet dare to lecture me!

When our commanders say, for the first time in K-4 missile, all guidance functions are performed in space, to neutralize the possible EW, then it means EW has been possible in prior missiles. EW means manipulating the positioning signals (whether land or space based), otherwise gyroscopes are immune.

Using GPS for positioning has extra advantage, as those in the receiving point of our missiles are using the same signal, and it will limit their use of jammers. otherwise news like this in northern Iraq will become a habit in their territories.

Is use of foreign elements in our missile industries an insult to Tehrani Moghaddam? no, in fact he intervened to gain authorization.

And lastly about your map:
center of that circle (so the source of the signal) is in Iraq, not Iran.

 

[jauk]

Yes Mohsen I’m sure you are an expert on missile guidance systems considering the fact you completely botched K-4’s guidance system and can’t read a map to save your life.

But please go ahead and tell everyone how Iran is dumb enough to use its enemies positioning satellites for navigation during wartime. I’m sure Hajizadeh would laugh his *** off.

@mohsen @immortal

Neutrino’s analysis on the high tech gyroscopes Iran has developed and installed in it’s precision guided missiles. He seems to be implying these bring high accuracy even for long distances. Especially applicable in polluted EW environments.

 

[LegionnairE]

Its value is cost saving measures whenever US drones and SIGNIT/ISR planes approach the border. Usually these days they send a Karrar and save money. Rarely are F-14’s flown to intercept anymore due to high cost

https://twitter.com/x/status/1709654317253177640

Is this guy hearing himself?

You can't save money on an F-14 by making Karrars because Karrar can not do any of the things F-14 can.

This is a common form of nonsense in Turkey too, people comparing TB2 with F-16.

TB2 can drop a 22kg bomb that hits the ground at around 250km/h, F-16 can drop a 1000 kilogram bunker buster that hits the ground at nearly mach 2. These things arent comparable even if we reduced the fighter jet to just a plane that drops bombs.




while it's nice that Karrar can launch an AAM, launch parameters will never be the same as F-14, the missile will fly slower because it's being thrown by a slower platform, it doesn't have F-14s radar, it doesn't have F-14s maneuverability. These are desperate last-ditch weapons of a country that forsees the loss of its airspace.

I'm not shitting on Karrar, it's a novel system if it works but the perception of it at least by Iranian "experts" seems a bit strange.

 

[jauk]

Is this guy hearing himself?

You can't save money on an F-14 by making Karrars because Karrar can not do any of the things F-14 can.

Certainly beyond the imagination of a copycat country like Turkiye. Too much begging to join the 'EY' has resulted in intellectual decay. Return to us. The water's great!

 

[LegionnairE]

Certainly beyond the imagination of a copycat country like Turkiye. Too much begging to join the 'EY' has resulted in intellectual decay. Return to us. The water's great!

I didn't come here for Turkey vs Iran urine racing.

you'd call me a copycat but I would congratulate Iran if you could make a fighter UAV like Kızılelma.

you know, this is certainly a challenge for F-14 and we could argue which one is cheaper or better and whatnot.

 

[mohsen]

@mohsen @immortal

Neutrino’s analysis on the high tech gyroscopes Iran has developed and installed in it’s precision guided missiles. He seems to be implying these bring high accuracy even for long distances. Especially applicable in polluted EW environments.

If our gyroscopes were that accurate then we wouldn't turn the K-4's guidance system off in terminal phase, benefits would have been extra maneuvering against enemy's defenses and eliminating weather factor. but no, we turn it off fearing the EW. it means one thing, that we rely on positioning signals, not gyroscopes.