Iran unveiled '15th khordad' medium range air defense system

[skyshadow]

Same upgrade means we still use old Standard for defending our best ships but when it come to ground we at least twice upgraded the defence grid.

yes you are right i agree with you, we need more of these in or on our warships but to do that we need bigger ships than Owj class

 

[Hayreddin]

Really appreciate Iran efforts in RnD ,with all these sanctions , they have developed such sophisticated missile system . And i wonder why Pakistan has Zero progress in Air defence indegenious development except that Manpad Anza .
Saudi Arabia the biggest importer of weapons but No research n development at all , Prolonged wars can only be won by ur own " Made in " stuff .

 

[PeeD]

This makes the SEAD operation extremely easy for the foe, as a few fake targets can put this system in the fixed lock mode (90 degree), and then attack it from the blind spots (270 degree).

By that logic the Patriot is useless too then.
No, a IADS never operates alone, it defends mostly just a specific sector and even envelope.

 

[Myself]

By that logic the Patriot is useless too then.
No, a IADS never operates alone, it defends mostly just a specific sector and even envelope.

That is not a logic, it is what you mentioned in your post. If Patriot has the same design flaw, bad for it too. One bad thing cannot make up for the other one. Also when you say “a IADS never operates alone” negates your previous statement of “Ambushing”, as the advantage of such systems. Here it comes the fact that an efficient AD complex requires a complete set of radars and accessories. This is not what I say, it is the results of 70+ years experience with pioneers in AD systems i.e. Russia and USA.

 

[PeeD]

That is not a logic, it is what you mentioned in your post. If Patriot has the same design flaw, bad for it too. One bad thing cannot make for the other one. Also when you say “a IADS never operates alone” negates your previous statement of “Ambushing”, as the advantage of such systems.

Sorry I don't have the same self-confidence as you to question decissions of the designers of the Patriot and 15th Khordad.
But let me say that I highly doubt such multi-billion project would leave open such a backdoor to be tricked easily.

 

[Myself]

Sorry I don't have the same self-confidence as you to question decissions of the designers of the Patriot and 15th Khordad.
But let me say that I highly doubt such multi-billion project would leave open such a backdoor to be tricked easily.

It doesn’t have anything to do with self-confidence. It comes along the fact that an efficient AD complex requires a complete set of radars and accessories. This is not what I say, it is the results of 70+ years experience with pioneers in AD systems i.e. Russia and USA.
A Patriot unit alway comes with the 360-degree search/warning radar. So, I don’t know why you compare it with what you speculate about 15-khordad.
By the way, I was not trying to argue about your posts. What I meant by my original post was to explain why Mr. Hook and some other military experts question the validity of Iran military achievements, and the reason - to me - is the inconsistency in what Iranian authorities say with what they show.

 

[PeeD]

It doesn’t have anything to do with self-confidence. It comes along the fact that an efficient AD complex requires a complete set of radars and accessories. This is not what I say, it is the results of 70+ years experience with pioneers in AD systems i.e. Russia and USA.
A Patriot unit alway comes with the 360-degree search/warning radar. So, I don’t know why you compare it with what you speculate about 15-khordad.
By the way, I was not trying to argue about your posts. What I meant by my original post was to explain why Mr. Hook and some other military experts question the validity of Iran military achievements, and the reason - to me - is the inconsistency in what Iranian authorities say with what they show.

Patriot itself lacks a dedicated volume search radar, it can use IADS data or various EW radars can be connected to it's CP.
Same as the 15th Khordad.
Both can do a independent search if required.

 

[Blue In Green]

Just to drive the point home about what I've been saying all along......Kushner holds the strings for the entire Iran file....sanctions, coalition, sabre rattling and all......

https://www.thedailybeast.com/brian-hook-is-trumps-point-man-on-iran-and-under-investigation


Btw, here is the article that was written by basically an Israeli paid insider to defame and then reassign an Iranian American working in the State Dept.....these kind of hit pieces are hallmark of the Zionist's control in the USA, the sad part is that no one in in the security apparatus of the USA can do anything about it. Lastly, an Iranian news article was used to solidify their claim.....again, as I said before Iran needs to control these damaging news articles.....They're reading our papers and articles, they're watching our interviews and videos. They're here in these forums asking questions about our weapons and capabilities....no need for paranoia but we need better rules and policies when it comes to military, economic and diplomatic news coverage. I will bet you a 1000 bucks if I wrote an article that Iran is planning to buy sophisticated semi conductors manufacturing equipment from Singapore to make them in Iran, next week there will be 3 state dept clowns and a CIA or Mossad agent on a plane to singapore to investigate.

https://www.conservativereview.com/...unning-tehran-policy-at-the-state-department/

Very well said!!!

I say let them wallow in their own squalor! Evidently it isn't really hindering Iranian domestic progress on vital defense systems. So we can take some respite in knowing there is a strong contingent of Iranians that actually care about the Iranian nations defense no matter the obstacles.

 

[Sineva]

The American Himmler: "Iran's military achievements are photoshopped images."

More like an american dr goebbels with himmlers taste in eye wear

 

[TheImmortal]

It doesn’t have anything to do with self-confidence. It comes along the fact that an efficient AD complex requires a complete set of radars and accessories. This is not what I say, it is the results of 70+ years experience with pioneers in AD systems i.e. Russia and USA.
A Patriot unit alway comes with the 360-degree search/warning radar. So, I don’t know why you compare it with what you speculate about 15-khordad.
By the way, I was not trying to argue about your posts. What I meant by my original post was to explain why Mr. Hook and some other military experts question the validity of Iran military achievements, and the reason - to me - is the inconsistency in what Iranian authorities say with what they show.

You are confusing the purpose of this system. This isn’t ment to be a long range 360 capable air defense system.

This system much like other medium range mobile independent SAM units is ment to be placed along intrusion points in global air defense network to protect a specific evelope with the NOTION its flank or backside is protected (enemy has not penetrated). Patriot systems operate the same way.

Such a system could be placed on mountain tops/valleys/hidden in areas not thought to have a dense air defense envelope by enemy intelligence. Given its mobility and small unit (2-3 launchers) it allows Iran to reinforce and plug holes in certain remote areas and engage the enemy before they reach major air defense envelopes (ex. Arak, Parchin, etc).

And the notion that a long range early warning would accompany a two launcher system is absurd. Long range early warning radars and long range acquisition radars feed into command/control center who then analyzes and disperses info to engagement radars in the area.

In modern age of data link systems and relay systems it is not necessary for all air defense systems to incorporate long range acquisition radars.

You need to avoid trying to make an air defense system a “jack of all trades”. The bigger the support team the easier the system is able to be tracked by satellites and the more sources of radiation that it is givening off.

 

[yavar]

Iran test of ‘Khordad 15th’ air defense system & delivery to Army Khatam al-Anbia Air defence base

https://tn.ai/2028057

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Congrats to Iran and Syria

 

[Kastor]

Very well said!!!

I say let them wallow in their own squalor! Evidently it isn't really hindering Iranian domestic progress on vital defense systems. So we can take some respite in knowing there is a strong contingent of Iranians that actually care about the Iranian nations defense no matter the obstacles.

Amazing the kind of campaigns going on in the world. There are no good guys left, just guys with different degrees of bad and evil.
I am becoming a middle aged curmudgeon as I find out more and more about leaders and governments in the world. Seriously, I'm hoping for a comet to come and clean this human waste up. I'm no fan of Arabs and Israel for obvious reason, never much cared for a-ss kissers but I have a special disdain for my own kind that gets in bed with our enemies.

https://theintercept.com/2019/06/09/heshmat-alavi-fake-iran-mek/

 

[SOHEIL]

why are the trucks wearing Burqa

Are you asking for trolling or you don't know the reason for real?

avoiding heat of flames coming out of missile

He is trolling ...

 

[Cthulhu]

Amazing the kind of campaigns going on in the world. There are no good guys left, just guys with different degrees of bad and evil.
I am becoming a middle aged curmudgeon as I find out more and more about leaders and governments in the world. Seriously, I'm hoping for a comet to come and clean this human waste up. I'm no fan of Arabs and Israel for obvious reason, never much cared for a-ss kissers but I have a special disdain for my own kind that gets in bed with our enemies.

https://theintercept.com/2019/06/09/heshmat-alavi-fake-iran-mek/

It's funny, 10 days ago @Ziggurat “TepeSialk“ created a thread in the Middle East & Africa section to post videos and pictures of the Quds day march in it:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/in-p...e-in-iran-iraq-syria-pakistan-kashmir.621337/

In that thread one of the members (@Numerous ) posted a tweet from Heshmat Alavi in which he was saying that the whole event was fake and there was a material law in place on the Quds day, That tweet is not available now but you can see a part of it in my browser's history:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/in-p...-syria-pakistan-kashmir.621337/#post-11510616

Since his tweets were too much BS, I decided to google him to see what his personal beliefs and political affiliation was. Googling his name in Persian had no results and in English only showed his articles in various sites, There wasn't any other online traces of him, No photos other than a filtered one that he used for his articles and twitter account, No Instagram account, No Facebook account, No information on who he was. When i couldn't find any info on him, I decided to let it go, Little did i know that he was a fake personality created by the assholeish MeK thugs.