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That's right. Bavar is actually similar to Patriot. S-300 is VLS.
Iran to supply Syria with Kowsar and domestic S-300
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That's right. Bavar is actually similar to Patriot. S-300 is VLS.
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Well actually Bavar will use VLS too.
Bavar similarity with these other systems is that they're all long ranged, other than that Bavar is a completely new/different design.
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...ies-sources/story-89g17DMzGHLCVVuJJHbJ2I.html
Iran has transferred short-range ballistic missiles to allies
According to three Iranian officials, two Iraqi intelligence sources and two Western intelligence sources, Iran has transferred short-range ballistic missiles to allies in Syria and Yeman over the last few months. Five of the officials said it was helping those groups to start making their own.
“The logic was to have a backup plan if Iran was attacked,” one senior Iranian official told Reuters. “The number of missiles is not high, just a couple of dozen, but it can be increased if necessary.”
Iran has previously said its ballistic missile activities are purely defensive in nature. Iranian officials declined to comment when asked about the latest moves.
The Zelzal, Fateh-110 and Zolfaqar missiles in question have ranges of about 200 km to 700 km, putting Saudi Arabia’s capital Riyadh within striking distance if the weapons were deployed in southern or western Iraq.
(IRGC), has bases in both those areas. commander Qassem Soleimani is overseeing the programme, three of the sources said.
Western countries have already accused Iran of transferring missiles and technology to Syria and other allies of Tehran, such as Houthi rebels in Yemen.
MISSILE PRODUCTION LINE
The Western source said the number of missiles was in the 10s and that the transfers were designed to send a warning to the United States and Saudi Arabia, especially after air raids on Iranian troops in Syria. The United States has a significant military presence in Iraq.
“It seems Iran has been turning Iraq into its forward missile base,” the Western source said.
The Iranian sources and one Iraqi intelligence source said a decision was made some 18 months ago to use militias to produce missiles in Syria and Yeman, but activity had ramped up in the last few months, including with the arrival of missile launchers.
“We have bases like that in many places and yeman is one of them. If America attacks us, our friends will attack America’s interests and its allies in the region,” said a senior IRGC commander who served during the war in the 1980s.
One U.S official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed that Tehran over the last few months has transferred missiles to groups in Yeman but could not confirm that those missiles had any launch capability from their current positions.
Washington has been pushing its allies to adopt a tough anti-Iran policy since it reimposed sanctions this month.
While the European signatories to the nuclear deal have so far balked at U.S. pressure, they have grown increasingly impatient over Iran’s ballistic missile programme.
France in particular has bemoaned Iranian “frenzy” in developing and propagating missiles and wants Tehran to open negotiations over its ballistic weapons.
Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said on Thursday that Iran was arming regional allies with rockets and allowing ballistic proliferation. “Iran needs to avoid the temptation to be the (regional) hegemon,” he said.
In March, the three nations proposed fresh EU sanctions on Iran over its missile activity, although they failed to push them through after opposition from some member states.
“Such a proliferation of Iranian missile capabilities throughout the region is an additional and serious source of concern,” a document from the three European countries said at the time.
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A regional intelligence source also said Iran was storing a number of ballistic missiles and had the capacity to launch them.
A second Iraqi intelligence official said Baghdad had been aware of the flow of Iranian missiles to militias to help Islamic State militants, but that shipments had continued after the hardline Sunni militant group was defeated.
It was clear to Iraqi intelligence that such a missile arsenal sent by Iran was not meant to fight Daesh (Islamic State) militants but as a pressure card Iran can use once involved in regional conflict,” the official said.
The Iraqi source said it was difficult for the Iraqi government to stop or persuade the groups to go against Tehran.
We can’t restrain militias from firing Iranian rockets because simply the firing button is not in our hands, it’s with Iranians who control the push button,” he said.
“Iran will definitely use the missiles it handed over to militia it supports to send a strong message to its foes in the region and the United States that it has the ability to use Iraqi territories as a launch pad for its missiles to strike anywhere and anytime it decides,” the Iraqi official said.
Iraq’s parliament passed a law in 2016 to bring an assortment of Iraqi paramilitary known collectively as the Popular Mobilisation Forces (PMF) into the state apparatus. The Iraqi paramilitary report to Iraq’s prime minister, under the country’s governance system.
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The Western source and the Iraqi source said the factories being used to develop missiles in Iraq were in al-Zafaraniya, east of Baghdad, and Jurf al-Sakhar, north of Kerbala. One source said there was also a factory in Iraqi Kurdistan.
The areas are controlled by Shi’ite militias, including Kata’ib Hezbollah, Three sources said Iraqis had been trained as missile operators.
The Iraqi intelligence source said the al-Zafaraniya factory produced warheads and the ceramic of missile moulds under former President Saddam Hussein. It was reactivated by local Shi’ite groups in 2016 , the source said.
A team of Shi’ite engineers who used to work at the facility under Saddam were brought in, after being screened, to make it operational, the source said. He also said missiles had been tested near Jurf al-Sakhar.
The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency and the Pentagon declined to comment.
Iran has transferred short-range ballistic missiles to allies
According to three Iranian officials, two Iraqi intelligence sources and two Western intelligence sources, Iran has transferred short-range ballistic missiles to allies in Syria and Yeman over the last few months. Five of the officials said it was helping those groups to start making their own.
“The logic was to have a backup plan if Iran was attacked,” one senior Iranian official told Reuters. “The number of missiles is not high, just a couple of dozen, but it can be increased if necessary.”
Iran has previously said its ballistic missile activities are purely defensive in nature. Iranian officials declined to comment when asked about the latest moves.
The Zelzal, Fateh-110 and Zolfaqar missiles in question have ranges of about 200 km to 700 km, putting Saudi Arabia’s capital Riyadh within striking distance if the weapons were deployed in southern or western Iraq.
(IRGC), has bases in both those areas. commander Qassem Soleimani is overseeing the programme, three of the sources said.
Western countries have already accused Iran of transferring missiles and technology to Syria and other allies of Tehran, such as Houthi rebels in Yemen.
MISSILE PRODUCTION LINE
The Western source said the number of missiles was in the 10s and that the transfers were designed to send a warning to the United States and Saudi Arabia, especially after air raids on Iranian troops in Syria. The United States has a significant military presence in Iraq.
“It seems Iran has been turning Iraq into its forward missile base,” the Western source said.
The Iranian sources and one Iraqi intelligence source said a decision was made some 18 months ago to use militias to produce missiles in Syria and Yeman, but activity had ramped up in the last few months, including with the arrival of missile launchers.
“We have bases like that in many places and yeman is one of them. If America attacks us, our friends will attack America’s interests and its allies in the region,” said a senior IRGC commander who served during the war in the 1980s.
One U.S official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed that Tehran over the last few months has transferred missiles to groups in Yeman but could not confirm that those missiles had any launch capability from their current positions.
Washington has been pushing its allies to adopt a tough anti-Iran policy since it reimposed sanctions this month.
While the European signatories to the nuclear deal have so far balked at U.S. pressure, they have grown increasingly impatient over Iran’s ballistic missile programme.
France in particular has bemoaned Iranian “frenzy” in developing and propagating missiles and wants Tehran to open negotiations over its ballistic weapons.
Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said on Thursday that Iran was arming regional allies with rockets and allowing ballistic proliferation. “Iran needs to avoid the temptation to be the (regional) hegemon,” he said.
In March, the three nations proposed fresh EU sanctions on Iran over its missile activity, although they failed to push them through after opposition from some member states.
“Such a proliferation of Iranian missile capabilities throughout the region is an additional and serious source of concern,” a document from the three European countries said at the time.
MESSAGE TO FOES
A regional intelligence source also said Iran was storing a number of ballistic missiles and had the capacity to launch them.
A second Iraqi intelligence official said Baghdad had been aware of the flow of Iranian missiles to militias to help Islamic State militants, but that shipments had continued after the hardline Sunni militant group was defeated.
It was clear to Iraqi intelligence that such a missile arsenal sent by Iran was not meant to fight Daesh (Islamic State) militants but as a pressure card Iran can use once involved in regional conflict,” the official said.
The Iraqi source said it was difficult for the Iraqi government to stop or persuade the groups to go against Tehran.
We can’t restrain militias from firing Iranian rockets because simply the firing button is not in our hands, it’s with Iranians who control the push button,” he said.
“Iran will definitely use the missiles it handed over to militia it supports to send a strong message to its foes in the region and the United States that it has the ability to use Iraqi territories as a launch pad for its missiles to strike anywhere and anytime it decides,” the Iraqi official said.
Iraq’s parliament passed a law in 2016 to bring an assortment of Iraqi paramilitary known collectively as the Popular Mobilisation Forces (PMF) into the state apparatus. The Iraqi paramilitary report to Iraq’s prime minister, under the country’s governance system.
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The Western source and the Iraqi source said the factories being used to develop missiles in Iraq were in al-Zafaraniya, east of Baghdad, and Jurf al-Sakhar, north of Kerbala. One source said there was also a factory in Iraqi Kurdistan.
The areas are controlled by Shi’ite militias, including Kata’ib Hezbollah, Three sources said Iraqis had been trained as missile operators.
The Iraqi intelligence source said the al-Zafaraniya factory produced warheads and the ceramic of missile moulds under former President Saddam Hussein. It was reactivated by local Shi’ite groups in 2016 , the source said.
A team of Shi’ite engineers who used to work at the facility under Saddam were brought in, after being screened, to make it operational, the source said. He also said missiles had been tested near Jurf al-Sakhar.
The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency and the Pentagon declined to comment.
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A friend in need is friend indeed, and you Indians have shown Iran that you are no friends indeed. They have learnt their lessons and aren't stupid enough to partner with you Indians.
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True....I don't know why trust and friendship is such a low value in that culture and money is god! Honestly. One on one they're good people but as a nation.....hmm? It kind of reminds me of the French.
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Thank you very much for the information but this partnership is so secret that no one knows .
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as far as I'm aware Bavar is also a VLS . maybe you meant cold launch ?
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Pardon to say so, but that's again pure BS and IMO we can directly delete this thread.
Iran has just flown one Kowsar and is - due to the sanctions - since years barely capable to build aircraft for their own need, even less they are capable to deliver S-300 SAMs, the Russians would surely do that on their own.
Sometimes I really don't understand how someone can take such a crap for granted.
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America is far better ally than Russian ofcouse. But nobody is perfect.
Rebuilding of the ad network of Syria is a priority to effectively defend against continious israeli air raids and a deterrant against possible usa threats and pressure to accept nofly zones or similar after another false flag in later operations.It could have been better if this started after albuqamal route liberation but better now than later ofcourse. Russia may or may not transfer equipment in those times and can prefer to act as a deal broker with usa. So defensively Syria should be made as independant as possible in the medium term and all necessary air defense equipment delivered as soon as possible in the very short term. Otherwise groups like sdf-pyd would be dominant occupying areas like albuqamal after a possible usa bombing operation.
Aircraft would be both beneficial as an interceptor and a2g role. To immediately disprove chemical attack accusations in a2g bombing runs all flight path should be recorded by ground radar as well as all strikes video recorded by aircraft. All external and internal bomb pylons should be used with maximum weight payload mock or real bombs. If only 2 targets need to be bombed and 6 pylons are total for example remaining 4 can be mock-bombs released to empty ground and video recorded by the plane so it is not possible to accuse the plane stike with a chemical weapon as it proves it has released all it can hold in the recorded flight path.
Aircraft would be both beneficial as an interceptor and a2g role. To immediately disprove chemical attack accusations in a2g bombing runs all flight path should be recorded by ground radar as well as all strikes video recorded by aircraft. All external and internal bomb pylons should be used with maximum weight payload mock or real bombs. If only 2 targets need to be bombed and 6 pylons are total for example remaining 4 can be mock-bombs released to empty ground and video recorded by the plane so it is not possible to accuse the plane stike with a chemical weapon as it proves it has released all it can hold in the recorded flight path.
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Sometimes, it is more important said than done.Pardon to say so, but that's again pure BS and IMO we can directly delete this thread.
Iran has just flown one Kowsar and is - due to the sanctions - since years barely capable to build aircraft for their own need, even less they are capable to deliver S-300 SAMs, the Russians would surely do that on their own.
Sometimes I really don't understand how someone can take such a crap for granted.
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Well I must agree that kowsar has just been showcased and I think it has yet to do weapons testing and after that we might see some type of line production so yes no sales in at least next 5 years minimum.Pardon to say so, but that's again pure BS and IMO we can directly delete this thread.
Iran has just flown one Kowsar and is - due to the sanctions - since years barely capable to build aircraft for their own need, even less they are capable to deliver S-300 SAMs, the Russians would surely do that on their own.
Sometimes I really don't understand how someone can take such a crap for granted.
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Iran already begun the mass production of KowsarIRGC pushing for development of Su-22 and Army pushing for F-5 family. What do u like ?
I think both of them are wrong they should wait for next engine .
Now its up to Army or IRGC to order Kowsar if they like it .
https://www.farsnews.com/news/13970530000073/خط-تولید-جنگنده-کوثر-راه-افتاده-و-در-حال-تولید-هستیم-صرفه-جویی-6-و
بنی طرفی با بیان اینکه خط تولید جنگنده کوثر آماده بوده و هم اکنون نیز در حال تولید است
production line is ready and we are producing Kowsar right now
Pardon to say so, but that's again pure BS and IMO we can directly delete this thread.
Iran has just flown one Kowsar and is - due to the sanctions - since years barely capable to build aircraft for their own need, even less they are capable to deliver S-300 SAMs, the Russians would surely do that on their own.
Sometimes I really don't understand how someone can take such a crap for granted.
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