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Iran to supply Russia with “hundreds” of Drones

They seem to state that a reconnaissance UAV acts as the mothership essentially to direct the suicide UAVs to their targets in this particular case. This is just a telegram account so I can't verify the authenticity but this is worth noting. What does the forum think?
My thoughts make me consider that these drones due to their long flight time capacity, can be launched and used to loiter around for long periods of time, and the recon UAV, can then direct them to a target(s) it finds while these S-136 are loitering around.

Well the recon UAV can use Sat comm to give updated target instruction.

The S-136 follows a pre determined route unless man in loop is activated where it loiters waiting for target info.

However, it lacks sat comm so its communication ranger is limited to range of a ground relay station is minus ongoing ECW environment so let’s say 200KM.

But if target is loitering in Odessa that is much further away then Russian front line so it will need a relay UAV like a mohajer-6 or MALE UAV with geo sat capability to send coordinates to the drone.

Wether Russia drones are capable of doing that with S-136 remains to be seen. It’s possible Russia has signed a ToT deal with Iran over S-136 (given the name change) similar to how they signed one with Israel. But it may take up to 1 year to see Russian produced S-136 drones.

Also a suicide drone having a camera is a waste of money. This sanctions causing camera shortage claim is nonsense. You can equip a S-136 with a 4K high definition off the shelf camera if you really wanted to. It’s not like they need very powerful cameras for their one way trip.

Funny how all the "game changing" western supplied weapons like the Javelin, the Cease, M777 , and HIMARs turned out to be serioues disapontments, but the wonder weapon has turned out to be the unsung Iranian kamikazi drone....

HIMARS is far from a disappointment. Did a lot of damage to Russian frontlines. Just wasn’t supplied in large enough numbers to be truly game changing. Not that any weapon is “game changing” in absence of a competent battlefield plan.
 
Funny how all the "game changing" western supplied weapons like the Javelin, the Cease, M777 , and HIMARs turned out to be serioues disapontments, but the wonder weapon has turned out to be the unsung Iranian kamikazi drone....
probably himars has been most useful, making a large area unsafe for Russian buildup.
 
Well the recon UAV can use Sat comm to give updated target instruction.

The S-136 follows a pre determined route unless man in loop is activated where it loiters waiting for target info.

However, it lacks sat comm so its communication ranger is limited to range of a ground relay station is minus ongoing ECW environment so let’s say 200KM.

But if target is loitering in Odessa that is much further away then Russian front line so it will need a relay UAV like a mohajer-6 or MALE UAV with geo sat capability to send coordinates to the drone.

Wether Russia drones are capable of doing that with S-136 remains to be seen. It’s possible Russia has signed a ToT deal with Iran over S-136 (given the name change) similar to how they signed one with Israel. But it may take up to 1 year to see Russian produced S-136 drones.

Also a suicide drone having a camera is a waste of money. This sanctions causing camera shortage claim is nonsense. You can equip a S-136 with a 4K high definition off the shelf camera if you really wanted to. It’s not like they need very powerful cameras for their one way trip.



HIMARS is far from a disappointment. Did a lot of damage to Russian frontlines. Just wasn’t supplied in large enough numbers to be truly game changing. Not that any weapon is “game changing” in absence of a competent battlefield plan.
Seems like a solid job for a S-191 to help with UAV management, and target selection around the front. Over time, I think we'll find out how they are being used. If this recon-strike complex is true, then strikes would be recorded.
 
What is peculiar is the reason why Russia is using high end S-136 for stationary attack. It is ment for air defense and radiation (radar) sources. Due to honeycomb RAM and it’s radiation seeker it is more a high end solution.

Why Russia isn’t using Arash-1 or Ababil-2 for such strikes? Much cheaper than S-136


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I think for the same reason they weren't working on the drones at all. their ego didn't let them. Perhaps some general was praising his idea of acquiring this cheap Iranian drone, without saying there have been even cheaper ones as well.
 
Again idk if it’s true or not either just saying to actually see it in real action instead of slow moving targets would be cool ,hitting drones that don’t maneuver or fly faster than subsonic speeds during drills isn’t that amazing, yes it’s a bit fan fiction.my grammar might suck but I have a great imagination

Thankfully reality is seperate from your imagination. So are you saying our drones, that are hitting targets in Ukraine, are "fan fiction"?

Define slow targets. Because an enemy aircraft or drone are relivively slow targets compared to Cruise Missiles, BM and Hypersonic glide vehicles. Systems like Bavar, S-300 and S400 cant target these but are for what you might consider "slow" targets. S-500 is a different story. Also Iran has enough things to use for target practice without having to use Russia as a guinea pig.
 
Iran is in state of war since 1979 revolution so with a war economy Iran has much higher production than Russia which only in recent days transitioned to war economy.

Lol Iran hasn’t been in a state of war since 1979. From 1990-2008 Iran had cordial relations with most of the world. US-Iran relations while low were not war like at all.

It’s quite simple, Iran has a less corrupt and more efficient arms production industry than Russia.

Also Due to sanctions it couldn’t rely on western parts to build its weapons like Turkey and Russia could. Now that is biting Russia in the *** because even their drones had western components inside them. Building a new entirely domestic supply chain is easier said then done.

Furthermore, Soviet Doctrine didn’t prioritize drones when they first emerged. Russia doctrine didn’t prioritize drones either. Iran was using drones in 80’s during war. Russia was way late to the party. Like Sears to online shopping and Blockbuster to online movie streaming.
 
Politico Article


It was a little over a week ago that Iranian drones first began appearing in the skies over Ukraine.

Andriana Arekhta, a junior sergeant with the Ukrainian Armed Forces, said the drones flew from Crimea to attack her special forces unit fighting near the southern city of Kherson. The drones evaded the soldiers’ defenses and dropped bombs on their position, destroying two tanks with their crews inside.

“It’s very difficult to see these drones on radars,” said Arekhta, who traveled to Washington, D.C., last week as part of a delegation of female Ukrainian soldiers. “It’s a huge problem.”


Over the past week, Russia has deployed Shahed and Mohajer combat drones imported from Iran in greater numbers across Ukraine, with devastating results. Some hit combat positions, smashing tanks and armored vehicles, while others struck civilian infrastructure, including in the port city of Odesa.
In his nightly address on Friday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said his country’s anti-aircraft forces had shot down more than a dozen drones in the eastern Dnipropetrovsk region and Odesa. The Ukrainian Air Force identified them as Shahed-136 kamikaze drones and Mohajer-6 drones that carry munitions and can also be used for reconnaissance.

But in interviews, a Ukrainian activist and three soldiers said the Iranian drones pose a major threat to both fighters and civilians. Their arrival on the battlefield makes the need for the West to send additional modern weaponry even more urgent, as Kyiv tries to seize on recent gains to retake as much territory as possible before winter sets in, they said.

The Iranian drones appear to be a potential game-changer for the Russians. They are relatively small and fly at low altitude, evading Ukrainian radars. Arekhta said she could shoot them down with Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, but only during the day because the U.S.-provided weapons do not come with a night-vision system.

Ukraine needs modern air defenses, such as the Counter-Rocket, Artillery and Mortar systems the U.S. used in Afghanistan, and 360-degree radar to counter the new threat, the visiting group said.

“I need to be in position against Russian helicopters on one side and Iranian drones came from another side,” Arekhta said. “It’s very hard to close the huge area with Stingers, with other weapons that can hit these drones.”

Arekhta uses the Switchblade 300 drones provided by Washington, but they are essentially commercial systems that are not powerful enough to work against armored vehicles and artillery, she said. Ukraine needs the upgraded Switchblade 600 drones, a loitering munition she described as “a flying Javelin.”

Washington has contracted with manufacturer AeroVironment to send the 600 version, but they likely won’t arrive for many months.

Ukrainian forces are now fighting the Russians on two fronts: advancing east from the Oskil River into the contested Donbas region, and south from Kherson. After an initial breakthrough at the beginning of the month during which Kyiv recaptured much of the Russian-occupied Kharkiv region, gains have slowed significantly. Ukrainian soldiers are now pushing into the entrenched Donbas, where the two sides have been essentially deadlocked since 2014.

In the Donetsk oblast, the battle is now more difficult because Russian forces are fighting from trenches and shelters built years ago, said Ivanna Chobaniuk, a medic who was serving near Kharkiv before she traveled to D.C. last week.

In the northeast, Ukrainian soldiers are trying to retake ground using Toyotas and other civilian cars — which are particularly vulnerable to drone attack — because their old armored vehicles were destroyed, Chobaniuk said.

The old Soviet-era tanks Kyiv operates have a myriad of problems, Arekhta said. The soldiers frequently get error messages when using the aiming system and there is no fire protection system, forcing them to use a small fire extinguisher on the outside of the tank if they are hit. The tanks don’t connect to the soldiers’ Western-provided radios, so Arekhta has to use her cell phone to communicate. In the winter, “Soviet tank doesn’t work at all,” she said.

Kyiv needs modern tanks, Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Humvees to help Ukraine’s forces advance in the face of heavy Russian artillery, the soldiers said.

“It is now when we have momentum,” said Daria Kaleniuk, the head of the Ukrainian nonprofit the Anti-Corruption Action Center. “We keep counterattacking and counterattacking in Toyotas, in civilian cars — it is very inconvenient, especially if Iranian drones are flying over.”

Kyiv is trying to recapture as much ground as possible before winter sets in, the soldiers said. But now they have a new problem: in response to their counteroffensive, Vladimir Putin has mobilized 300,000 reservists to fight in Ukraine.
While there are questions about the quality of the soldiers Putin has called up, Russia will use the colder months, when fighting typically slows, to train and equip them, the Ukrainian soldiers said.

“If we give them that time, in spring there will be an epic battle — another epic battle,” said Daria Zubenko, a senior sergeant who has served as a paramedic and sniper.

Ukraine could use the winter to train its forces on more advanced weapons that the West has not yet greenlighted — for instance, modern battle tanks and fighter jets, Kaleniuk said. The Ukrainian Armed Forces two weeks ago submitted an official letter of request asking for either used or new fighter jets, and its air force has identified a few dozen pilots who speak English and are prepared to begin training immediately, she said.

But modern tanks and jets may be little more than a pipe dream, at least for now. Although Pentagon officials have left the door open to sending Kyiv the U.S.-made F-16 fighter jet, top generals said the planes wouldn’t arrive for years after any political decision was made to donate them.

“I’m really fed up of losing my friends,” Arekhta said. “Sometimes I just say ‘happy birthday’ on social media, on Facebook, and the answer is: ‘he is dead.’ ”


It's very weird that are only sources are Ukrainian/western sources and why they are even talking about it publicly?
 
Thankfully reality is seperate from your imagination. So are you saying our drones, that are hitting targets in Ukraine, are "fan fiction"?

Define slow targets. Because an enemy aircraft or drone are relivively slow targets compared to Cruise Missiles, BM and Hypersonic glide vehicles. Systems like Bavar, S-300 and S400 cant target these but are for what you might consider "slow" targets. S-500 is a different story. Also Iran has enough things to use for target practice without having to use Russia as a guinea pig.
Omg dude your just putting words in my mouth ok slow target drones ,fast target mig 29 su 27 as and yes we all know drones are hitting Ukraine and they’re Iranian made I said what would be cool would to see bavar in action so again slowwwwwww target drone fasssssssssst target mig 29 than can defend against incoming missile that can maneuver and defend against it im not a great I honestly don’t what you are or do for a living, but even I know it’s easier to hit drones that you know their line of route and shoot it and if you want to keep trying to debate a fanboy go ahead honestly bored
 
Lol Iran hasn’t been in a state of war since 1979. From 1990-2008 Iran had cordial relations with most of the world. US-Iran relations while low were not war like at all.

It’s quite simple, Iran has a less corrupt and more efficient arms production industry than Russia.

Also Due to sanctions it couldn’t rely on western parts to build its weapons like Turkey and Russia could. Now that is biting Russia in the *** because even their drones had western components inside them. Building a new entirely domestic supply chain is easier said then done.

Furthermore, Soviet Doctrine didn’t prioritize drones when they first emerged. Russia doctrine didn’t prioritize drones either. Iran was using drones in 80’s during war. Russia was way late to the party. Like Sears to online shopping and Blockbuster to online movie streaming.

Iran has been at war with the Anglos since 1979 revolution.
 
Omg dude your just putting words in my mouth ok slow target drones ,fast target mig 29 su 27 as and yes we all know drones are hitting Ukraine and they’re Iranian made I said what would be cool would to see bavar in action so again slowwwwwww target drone fasssssssssst target mig 29 than can defend against incoming missile that can maneuver and defend against it im not a great I honestly don’t what you are or do for a living, but even I know it’s easier to hit drones that you know their line of route and shoot it and if you want to keep trying to debate a fanboy go ahead honestly bored

You're clearly inept at having an adult conversation and if you're 40 then I'm the king of England.

Regardless, Iran has sufficient target practice to test its AD systems without Russia needing to test it on Ukrainian airforce, which by all accounts is either completely destroyed or hidden. It's not about what's "cool" or what's "slowwwwwww" or "fasssssssst", all giveaway signs of a troll by the way, its about if Russia needs them (they dont) and if they are ready to be used in real war scenario.
 

Just my thoughts

Major assumption, AD system might be close to the shoreline, UAS downed very close to the shoreline. It's possible they have moved their AD systems closer to the shoreline to get a better LOS, and closer lock on the targets before they enter.

Low altitude interception, would indicate something short range. I don't know if any of you guys know if BUK-M1 can intercept targets at this altitude? I presume if launched from a 20-30km distance, it might probably do it? Otherwise, a short range system is deployed nearby, to intercept in the 5-10km envelope.

EO/IR systems setup on the shoreline can catch incoming UAS, giving some more time to react to them.

Possible Counter measure(s) (My thoughts)
- Combination of land attack and anti-radar S-136's can be used in Tandem to lure AD, and target it. May or may not work. Closer you are to the radars, higher likely it is intercepted. Numbers would be key here.
- Force activation of illumination radars, If Russia wants to commit anti-radiation missiles, it could work, or use higher altitude Orlans-10, or Shahed-191 UCAV's to monitor the interceptor launch position and directly target it or, follow for it's hiding location.
- Or just raw numbers, wage attrition warfare against the batteries with constant land attack UAS, if they do not attempt interception, then target is hit anyways, if they do, their expensive stockpile of SAMs is eroded.
 
Funny how all the "game changing" western supplied weapons like the Javelin, the Ceaser, M777 , and HIMARs turned out to be serioues disapontments, but the wonder weapon has turned out to be the unsung Iranian kamikazi drone....
Well said....i cant lie, it also makes me wonder if Iran is "advising" Russia in its Ukraine war....Iran FOR SURE will know how to batter down Ukraine given the resources available...wow.
 
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