Iran tests home-made stealth fighter

[Abi]

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[Peregrine]

Ghaznavi / Shaheen-II - Pakistan Missile Special Weapons Delivery Systems
DF-11 / CSS-7 East Wind, DF-11A, M-11,

Hi
OMG u seriously don't want me to fall for this lame URL that you provided well here you go
Shahab-3
Zelzal-3 1 liquid 1,000-1,350-1,500 1999 -- MRBM 1.3 Also flown by North Korea (No-dong) and Pakistan (Ghauri II).
Shahab-3D
Zelzal-3D 2 liquid,solid 1,500+ 2001 -- MRBM 1.3 Also flown by North Korea (No-dong) and Pakistan (Ghauri II).
IRIS
Zelzal-3D 2 liquid,solid 1,500+ 2001 -- MRBM 1.3 Also flown by North Korea (No-dong) and Pakistan (Ghauri II).

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/

 

[Nima]

Russian analyst: Iran’s missile capacity has topped North Korea’s

A leading Russian analyst said Iran has surpassed the missile development potential of North Korea.

The analyst pointed to Iran’s success in building a space-launch vehicle that could place satellites into orbit.

“In my view, Iran has even greater potential and greater resources than North Korea has today,” Vladimir Dvorkin, a leading Russian analyst, said.

The analyst’s assessment differed sharply with that of the Kremlin. The Russian General Staff was said to have concluded that Iranian missiles had a range of no more than 1,000 kilometers.

In a briefing on Sept. 21, Dvorkin, the senior researcher at the Moscow-based International Security Center, said North Korea was helping Iran produce intermediate-range ballistic missiles. But he said Teheran has extended Pyongyang’s technology capabilities and could produce missiles with a range of more than 3,000 kilometers.

“And if the upper stage of the carrier rocket that took the first Iranian satellite into space is re-equipped, the range could be increased to 4,000 kilometers,” Dvorkin said. That puts Europe well in range.

“I believe statements by the Russian General Staff that Iran possesses missiles with a range of up to 1,000 kilometers are inaccurate,” Dvorkin said.

Another former Russian general and analyst said Teheran could develop an intercontinental ballistic missile as early as 2015. Viktor Yesin, a former chief of staff of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces, said Russian defense systems were capable of intercepting Iranian missiles.

“Russia and the United States could jointly turn to this topic again in the future if Iran gets such a weapon [ICBM], but this won’t happen until at least 2015,” Yesin said.

It is difficult to miss the irony, hypocrisy, or worse of these conclusions given Obama’s collapse under Russian pressure on the proposed Ballistic Missile Defense shield that was to have been installed in the Czech Republic and Poland and readied by 2013-14 to defend against exactly this threat and be ready to defend against an Iranian ICBM by – you guessed it – 2015.

 

[Abi]

Hi
OMG u seriously don't want me to fall for this lame URL that you provided well here you go
Shahab-3
Zelzal-3 1 liquid 1,000-1,350-1,500 1999 -- MRBM 1.3 Also flown by North Korea (No-dong) and Pakistan (Ghauri II).
Shahab-3D
Zelzal-3D 2 liquid,solid 1,500+ 2001 -- MRBM 1.3 Also flown by North Korea (No-dong) and Pakistan (Ghauri II).
IRIS
Zelzal-3D 2 liquid,solid 1,500+ 2001 -- MRBM 1.3 Also flown by North Korea (No-dong) and Pakistan (Ghauri II).

Iran Missiles

Lame? fas.org is very credible. All you need to do is compare the images of the missiles, they're identical.

 

[Peregrine]

North Korea is believed to have more than 800 ballistic missiles, including long-range missiles which could one day strike the US.
BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | North Korea's missile programme
this one is from neutral source

 

[below_freezing]

North Koreas ballistic missile program is a joke and i don't know what you mean they're the 4th largest standing army in their world even if it were true, they're armed with vintage WW2 weapons. Besides, Iran has the highest number of Paramilitary soldiers in the world, i.e. NK is #4 but we're #1.

in wartime, north korea can be armed by china any time it wants. in fact it has more modern weapons than most of iran, which was kinda frozen in the 1970's as far as weapons go. and US does not even think about invading north korea because we have an alliance with north korea just like the US has with UK, attacking north korea is the same as attacking china.

NK also can actually threaten the US with taepodong 2.

 

[Abi]

in wartime, north korea can be armed by china any time it wants. in fact it has more modern weapons than most of iran, which was kinda frozen in the 1970's as far as weapons go. and US does not even think about invading north korea because we have an alliance with north korea just like the US has with UK, attacking north korea is the same as attacking china.

NK also can actually threaten the US with taepodong 2.

It doesn't have a single thing that is modern let alone "more modern".

TD2 doesn't even work and it can't even reach the US.

 

[Abi]

North Korea is believed to have more than 800 ballistic missiles, including long-range missiles which could one day strike the US.
BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | North Korea's missile programme
this one is from neutral source

If you could see the Nodong quality you would cast doubts over claims that they could create ICBMs. They're just stacking them to make the range linger by they fail over and over again.

Now i don't see how this talks about quality, which is what we're debating.

Iran has never gone for ICBMs because there is no need to, the only targets (ISrael and Us bases in the ME) are well within the range of the current ones, that is why they're developing accurate MRBMs to compensate for the weak airforce. NK on the other hand wants to reach America, that is why they have longer range BMs.

 

[below_freezing]

It doesn't have a single thing that is modern let alone "more modern".

TD2 doesn't even work and it can't even reach the US.

Mig-29 fighter
Mig-23 fighter
M-1992 artillery
and since china has an alliance with north korea, a real one signed with a treaty, they are essentially an extension of chinese forces.

 

[Abi]

Mig-29 fighter
Mig-23 fighter
M-1992 artillery

So their old Mig-29 is more modern than our new Mig-29s?

and since china has an alliance with north korea, a real one signed with a treaty, they are essentially an extension of chinese forces.

You guys look similar too

 

[Hammy007]

i cannot believe these iranians are making cheap shots at pakistan missiles which were developed long before iranian once, now iranians during their national threat of being attacked by foreginers in the wake of their nuclear development(tech provided by pak) are suddenly coming up with these missiles and claiming these are developed by them. oil power speaks a lot btw.

 

[below_freezing]

So their old Mig-29 is more modern than our new Mig-29s?




You guys look similar too

what's wrong? does iran have too many friends and allies? lets be honest here, it's not north korea in danger of a regime change. besides, north korea's MiGs can be supplied from china for free if they are invaded, what about iran?

also iranian logistics is going to be a nightmare, you have planes from 5 different countries all using different systems. north korea has equipment from 3 countries, itself/china/russia, and chinese technology is compatible with russian (but not the other way around).

 

[Nima]

what's wrong? does iran have too many friends and allies? lets be honest here, it's not north korea in danger of a regime change. besides, north korea's MiGs can be supplied from china for free if they are invaded, what about iran?

also iranian logistics is going to be a nightmare, you have planes from 5 different countries all using different systems. north korea has equipment from 3 countries, itself/china/russia, and chinese technology is compatible with russian (but not the other way around).

North Korea's entire gdp is 20 billion dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iran last year spent between 10-17 on military alone!!!

Our missile tech has surpassed theirs and unlike them we can support ourselves during a war.
You keep mentioning China will come to the rescue b/c you know that NKorea is nothing.

btw, buying jets from Russia is easy, especially when you have the cash. What's hard is making them yourself. One day we will be making our own jets and for now we don't need them. What we have is good enough for defensive purposes. Mix our air defenses with the current air force and also our deterrents and an attack on Iranian soil is highly unlikely.
North Korea doesn't even have money to feed and cloth its soldiers let alone keep its military hardware from falling apart.

 

[Nima]

i cannot believe these iranians are making cheap shots at pakistan missiles which were developed long before iranian once, now iranians during their national threat of being attacked by foreginers in the wake of their nuclear development(tech provided by pak) are suddenly coming up with these missiles and claiming these are developed by them. oil power speaks a lot btw.

don't be dumb
Iran started its missile technology with the help of the Koreans but after the 90's we stopped cooperation. Today Iran's missiles are more advanced than the Koreans, both Russians and Americans have confirmed this. We can send satellites into the orbit and have done so a few times now so we effectively can make ICBMs very soon.

 

[below_freezing]

and i applaud iran for being independent but unfortunately this is the time where being independent takes a secondary priority to surviving as a nation-state. north korea has survived, without surrendering any autonomy to any other country. can iran do the same this year? the world is waiting anxiously.

russia, china and maybe even india won't let iran go down though.