Iran tests home-made stealth fighter

[Abi]

i cannot believe these iranians are making cheap shots at pakistan missiles which were developed long before iranian once, now iranians during their national threat of being attacked by foreginers in the wake of their nuclear development(tech provided by pak) are suddenly coming up with these missiles and claiming these are developed by them. oil power speaks a lot btw.

Your missiles are Chinese and NK missiles with a different name, there are no changes and no upgrades. Iran's missiles were originally based on the Nodong which we have long improved on and now we have the Sejil, more advanced than anything Pakistan has bought from China.

It is ridiculous to say Pakistan has helped Iran, the only thing "Iranian" you've helped is Jundullah.

 

[Abi]

and i applaud iran for being independent but unfortunately this is the time where being independent takes a secondary priority to surviving as a nation-state. north korea has survived, without surrendering any autonomy to any other country. can iran do the same this year? the world is waiting anxiously.

russia, china and maybe even india won't let iran go down though.

People have been talking of attacks since 2003, it's never going to happen, Obama has failed to get people to agree on sanctions.

 

[Nima]

and i applaud iran for being independent but unfortunately this is the time where being independent takes a secondary priority to surviving as a nation-state. north korea has survived, without surrendering any autonomy to any other country. can iran do the same this year? the world is waiting anxiously.

russia, china and maybe even india won't let iran go down though.

north korea isn't your avg state
Korea is an isolated shithole, even if we wanted to be an isolated shithole like them we wouldn't be able to do so. They're a small country with only one border, and that's China! Korea hasn't really done anything. They just closed their borders. They don't have Americans on every side and Russians to the north and arabs+israel to the south ...
we can't do what Korea has done b/c of our size and geographical location.
Iran will never be attacked though. If the Americans wanted to attack they would have attacked when we were taking their ppl hostage or in the 90's when we were SUPER WEAK or attacked us instead of IRaq. They have known about our nuke program this entire time, heck they started our program so this whole nuke thing is just a reason to put sanctions, not to attack.

 

[below_freezing]

true. iran's position is very dangerous.

however as long as iran can scare off the americans they're fine. the israelis won't be able to touch iran.

 

[Abi]

what's wrong? does iran have too many friends and allies? lets be honest here, it's not north korea in danger of a regime change. besides, north korea's MiGs can be supplied from china for free if they are invaded, what about iran?

also iranian logistics is going to be a nightmare, you have planes from 5 different countries all using different systems. north korea has equipment from 3 countries, itself/china/russia, and chinese technology is compatible with russian (but not the other way around).

Logistics isn't really a nightmare, they were a nightmare during the war but now we overhaul them ourselves and we built most parts.

China will not help NK, it is not in China's interests for there to be a war in the first place and it certainly won't be helping NK, secondly, do you think it is easy to just give Migs? Within days of war USA and SK will bomb all airfields and all pilots will soon be killed too. I don't even know why you're talking about NK, lets try not to get off topic.

 

[gambit]

...lets try not to get off topic.

The topic is an Iranian 'stealth' fighter. If people remain 'on topic' this thread would not have gone as far as it is. The idea of an Iranian 'stealth' fighter is a joke and it has gone stale a long time ago. So what else is there for people to do but to do but go off topic?

 

[Abi]

The topic is an Iranian 'stealth' fighter. If people remain 'on topic' this thread would not have gone as far as it is. The idea of an Iranian 'stealth' fighter is a joke and it has gone stale a long time ago. So what else is there for people to do but to do but go off topic?

The word stealth means reduced RCS, you don't need something as advanced as the F-22 for it to be stealth.

The Germans spent 8 years and billions trying to develop a stealth plane only for the project to be canceled, one of the people on this project was arrested in America and it turned out he along with others on the team went on to work in Iran after the project. The same goes for a lot of Russians after the break of the soviet union (look at shafaq) so the technology is there to build a plane with RCS, the only problem is funding which is being eaten up by the missile and nuclear projects.

In any case, this article is about a "stealth" UAV, which is well within Iran's reach.

 

[below_freezing]

the word stealth is very misleading.

a paper airplane is the stealthiest aircraft in the world with a RCS of less than 1 cm2. but it cannot do anything.

iran's stealth aircraft may have a low RCS, but does it have the maneuverability, electronics and endurance to survive modern air combat?

 

[Abi]

the word stealth is very misleading.

a paper airplane is the stealthiest aircraft in the world with a RCS of less than 1 cm2. but it cannot do anything.

iran's stealth aircraft may have a low RCS, but does it have the maneuverability, electronics and endurance to survive modern air combat?

What stealth aircraft? Did you bother reading the article? It says Iran's stealth UAV passed its second test.

 

[Hammy007]

It is ridiculous to say Pakistan has helped Iran, the only thing "Iranian" you've helped is Jundullah.

you are proved ignorant so here is one for you, an iranian acknowledges in this forum

http://www.defence.pk/forums/wmd-missiles/53913-pakistan-spotlight-washington-nuclear-summit.html


http://www.defence.pk/forums/293225-post4.html

 

[gambit]

The word stealth means reduced RCS, you don't need something as advanced as the F-22 for it to be stealth.

The F-111 can be 'stealth' but the aircraft itself is not low radar observable, at least comparatively to the F-16 class. To be 'stealth' mean you must avoid radar detection by any means, except via ECM. Flying below the radar horizon definitely qualify you as 'stealth'. The word 'stealth' have been too casually used and abused.

...the only problem is funding which is being eaten up by the missile and nuclear projects.

That is true. With enough money and time, of course Iran would be able to make a very low radar observable aircraft like the F-22, perhaps even better.

In any case, this article is about a "stealth" UAV, which is well within Iran's reach.

Size has a great influence on how low radar observable is a body. Remove the need for pilot support and you reduce body size by at least %40. On the other hand, if body shaping is not considered, then size is irrelevant.

 

[Abi]

you are proved ignorant so here is one for you, an iranian acknowledges in this forum

http://www.defence.pk/forums/wmd-missiles/53913-pakistan-spotlight-washington-nuclear-summit.html


http://www.defence.pk/forums/293225-post4.html

There is no proof that Pakistan gave us their Chinese centrifuges, it's all talk. Meanwhile on Friday Iran showed a new centrifuge faster than anything Pakistan has.

 

[Abi]

The F-111 can be 'stealth' but the aircraft itself is not low radar observable, at least comparatively to the F-16 class. To be 'stealth' mean you must avoid radar detection by any means, except via ECM. Flying below the radar horizon definitely qualify you as 'stealth'. The word 'stealth' have been too casually used and abused.

I agree, it gets abused a lot and it is the case when they call our 1,400 ton warship a "destroyer", i watch the Persian announcements by the generals and they make no such claims then i read the English report and they call it stealth, as opposed to "able to avoid detection" or "reduced RCS", they also translate the word "warship" in Persian to "destroyer" in English. Journalists are the same all over though, they were calling an APC a Tank on BBC yesterday.

That is true. With enough money and time, of course Iran would be able to make a very low radar observable aircraft like the F-22, perhaps even better.

Nice sarcasm, but if you factor in the fact that we've mentioned that the word stealth is overused, and if you factor in the fact that Iran makes 70% of the F-14 (minus certain avionics and certain parts of the engine) and if you factor in the ToT of the Shafaq and the MBB Lampyridae projects and the FBW plus other technologies gained through the IrAn-140 project, and their respective infrastructure being built, it isn't an exaggeration that if they allocated enough funds to the Air force then we could see a decent plane. This won't happen until the regime believes that they're not under threat anymore, because at the moment, we could spend tens of billions and develop something quite capable, but it would still be no match against America and their cruise missiles, F-22s B-2s etc. Therefore there is no point. So as soon as the threat from America is gone, you will see more conventional projects being built, at the moment they're all concepts (Raksh APC, Zolfigar tank, Dorna advanced trainer). The things that are being built are anti air/ship/tank missiles, UAVs, BMs, Fast attack craft and submarines.

Size has a great influence on how low radar observable is a body. Remove the need for pilot support and you reduce body size by at least %40. On the other hand, if body shaping is not considered, then size is irrelevant.

This article is about a UAV that Iran is working on with RCS features and RAM. Body shaping is not too difficult, it was difficult to design before Supercomputers, noways you can build supercomputers by using PS3 CPUs

 

[BJlaowai]

wow.. Thats a nice find Abi. Can you give the link to the source of this picture. Thanks
The similarities between Chinese and Pakistani missiles are uncanny and definitely more than just coincidence.
In some pictures I saw, even the TELs (Transporter Erector Launcher) of these missiles look exactly similar.
I didnt know Ghaznavi missile was ready. It was supposed to be longer ranged than Shaheen-II, isnt it? In this pic, its smaller than Shaheen-I.

 

[gambit]

Nice sarcasm, but if you factor in the fact that we've mentioned that the word stealth is overused, and if you factor in the fact that Iran makes 70% of the F-14 (minus certain avionics and certain parts of the engine) and if you factor in the ToT of the Shafaq and the MBB Lampyridae projects and the FBW plus other technologies gained through the IrAn-140 project, and their respective infrastructure being built, it isn't an exaggeration that if they allocated enough funds to the Air force then we could see a decent plane.

No sarcasm at all. What I said is very true. The F-117, even with a lot of money behind it, still took about ten years from paper to flight. Same for the F-22.